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Therumancer

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It's hard to really get excited about a movie like this that has largely seemed to be keeping itself under the radar. While it allegedly tested well with audience during some early screenings, it's one of those situations where the trailers themselves seemed to really be stretching things to set this up, when to be honest a movie about giant robots fighting should be one of the easiest things in the world to make. I think half the problem is that too many people want to try and do "serious writing" and find ways of tacking on an unneeded focus on a human element to things like this, which is kind of what ruined Transformers.

To be honest I'm kind of expecting this one to come and go, I don't expect a spectacular failure, but I will be very surprised if this movie winds up impressing many people either.

To be honest ever since the old "D" grade "Robot Jox" movies, I've kind of been of the opinion that someone might just want to license "Battletech" and get it over with, I mean they did cartoons, but I always kind of felt that universe had a decent amount of potential. Honestly I think while the games benefitted from the "Clans", as far as the world went, it was better before that garbage. To be honest, prior to that, the actual storyline carried an entire "game of thrones" type vibe, but with giant mechs blowing the crap out of each other replacing the knights and warriors. Albiet it was fairly predictable, largely leading to the "solution" being the two generally "good" (or at least sympathetic) houses getting together in a marriage-based alliance. Then of course instead of leaving things once it got wrapped up, we had the clans introduced, and while popular with some, it pretty much turned the entire thing into a "don't think about it, just go with it" setting that increasingly focused less and less on why anyone was fighting given the painfully transparent reasons, and an excuse to roll out increasingly large lists of new and game breaking firepower on all sides to encourage people playing the game to run out and buy the latest sourcebooks. :p

At any rate, we'll see what happens with "Pacific Rim", I think it will be one of Del Toro's lower key works when all is said and done. 10-15 years it will probably come up mostly in the context of "oh yeah, you know he also did this... and it wasn't half bad for what it was". Perhaps even looked back on as ahead of it's time if someone actually DOES manage to create a successful mass-multi media giant robot franchise that captures the general public's imagination to the extent of "Star Trek" or "Star Wars" for a while (Gundam really doesn't count as it's mostly only that big a deal in Japan, and some parts of Asia it's pretty fringe through the western world).
 

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cojo965 said:
afroebob said:
slacker09 said:
Are you implying that Godzilla was bad?
I am implying that Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla was dumb, but not ALL Godzilla movies are bad, its just after making 24 of the damn movies your going to have a lot of them that aren't good.
Uh 28.
The number might be higher if you consider all the movies he's in that are not called "Godzilla" I never counted, them but are you considering things like say "Destroy All Monsters"? I seem to remember he was in that one... :)

That said, I understand this is a giant robot thread so the "Mechagodzilla" reference is appropriate, but to be honest I think that one was kind of the middle of the road. The low point for Godzilla was probably "Godzilla Vs. The Smog Monster".

Truthfully though when it comes to Godzilla and Robots I tend to mostly think of him tag teaming (literally) with Jet Jaguar in things like Godzilla Vs. Megalon more than Mechagodzilla for some odd reason. To be honest I never have been able to get the noise they use every time Jet Jaguar moves out of my brain... when I eventually see Pacific Rim my subconscious is probably likely to insert it during the hand to hand fight scenes. :)
 

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I saw the first trailer and was instantly excited. This will be everything that made my childhood magical.

And honestly if it were not for Del Toro I wouldn't be so excited. This will be a popcorn flick but it will be beautiful because of Toro's directing.
 

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I might hire it when it comes out on DVD, not really hyped.

I don't even like Superhero films, to me they're just rich dudes in Cosplay and the silliness just detracts from the film's tone. Films like these seem to marvel in it's own concept. Monsters versus Robots sounds good in theory though it can only be shown with heavy levels of CGI. Meaning you can only enjoy films like this for what it is, a pretty film with a dull plot - or indulge in nerd raging and cry a whole lot.

Eh.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Well, it's a lot of big overly rendered CGI stuff all over the screen - It's not something for me to get really excited about anymore. I saw the same thing in The Avengers and The Hobbit.

Really, what else is new?
Could you have at least chosen two films that had giant robots in it? Seriously, comparing a scrotum-bearded goblin to humongous mecha swatting royalty-free Godzilla with a baseball bat? You might as well say all modern games are just 3D imagery rendered in real-time or modernized throwbacks to the 8-bit era, so there's no point in playing anything anymore.

Myself, I'm cautiously optimistic. I love me a good kaiju movie, and while rubber suits lend a certain charm to the genre, I'd love to see a CGI execution that doesn't suck (I'm looking at you, Cloverfield and not-Godzilla movie by Roland Emmerich). Guillermo del Toro has shown that he can make a good effects-laden movie, both of the CGI and heavy makeup variety.
 

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cojo965 said:
afroebob said:
slacker09 said:
Are you implying that Godzilla was bad?
I am implying that Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla was dumb, but not ALL Godzilla movies are bad, its just after making 24 of the damn movies your going to have a lot of them that aren't good.
Uh 28.

Edit: Fuck low content, um.. TEAM CHUGGACONROY!!!
I am fairly sure it's not low content if you are part of a quote chain like that. Don't quote me on that but I wouldn't' worry.
 

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afroebob said:
I think it is just because most people (myself included) think this movie looks like absolute shit. I won't immediatly write it off solely because it is being made by Guillermo del Toro and that man is very good at his job (usually) but the entire premise just seems like an attempt to cash in on all the money the Transformers have been inexplicably making, and all in all the whole idea of it just seems dumb. Not to mention, do you remember the last time giant robots fought giant monsters?



I'm not trying to convince you not to watch it, I'm just throwing out the honest reason why I think nobodies really talking about this movie.
pretty sure you haven't seen the three godzilla movies before that one comparatively that one is GOLD on it's own it's still a good movie
 

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FargoDog said:
I totally feel where you're coming from on the CGI though. Pacific Rim is one of the few films in recent memory that justified the CGI extravagance. The use of CGI in The Hobbit though was just depressing. Going from the LotR films which had so much practical effects work to a film that was just doused in CGI disheartened me greatly. There was such a weight and a presence to much of the effects work in the original trilogy, and it was completely abandoned in The Hobbit for reasons I really don't understand. It didn't look better or more convincing, and all the fights felt flimsy and cartoonish with no violence or sense of impact. At this point, CGI to me is much like teal and orange. Nothing inherently wrong with it, but it's used so frustratingly frequently to paper up creative cracks I can't help but automatically dislike it.
I don't know, since I saw Django and being reminded what an actual movie feels like without all the CGI/3D/48 FPS bullcrap we're exposed to currently, my patience with these big thumping CGI movies is really starting to wear thin.

Now I know you can't escape the use of CGI, but most of these movies today feel like bare bones structures that they wheel on over to the nearest, cheapest VFX studio, and load it up with as much fancy computer animation they can. All sense of creativity is gone and it's become like an esembly line production.
 

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I didn't even know about this movie, but yeah if I get the chance I'll be watching. Normally I think that Giant robots and monsters is silly. However this looks like it could be fun.
 

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That looke terrible in my opinion. The origin of the monsters sounds cool, but everything else, from the giant emotion fueled robots to the cheesy speech made me want to cry. If it gets really good reviews I will go but I'm not hopeful.
 

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Mcupobob said:
I didn't even know about this movie, but yeah if I get the chance I'll be watching. Normally I think that Giant robots and monsters is silly. However this looks like it could be fun.
Giant robots fighting giant monsters is silly. That's kind of the point :p It's a modern-day, big-budget daikaiju movie. Think of it more like godzilla, gamera, ultraman or the Megazord fights from power rangers, than some of the more recent, more 'serious' giant monster movies.

You have the right mindset though. Sometimes a movie doesn't necessarily NEED to be super deep, or super serious. Sometimes it just needs to be fun. That's what kaiju movies were about most of the time, just watching two huge, crazy-looking monsters slug it out and beat the crap out of each other while they destroyed an extremely elaborate set of miniatures.

Personally, I hope this movie does well. It's an original, new IP in a time where most of the big-budget movies getting made are sequels or cash-grabs of known properties. And on top of that, it looks like it's trying to be a proper daikaiju movie, and it's been decades since there was one big enough and mainstream enough to get a wide theatrical release. After massive disappointments like Cloverfield, or Monsters and huge disasters like the American Godzilla film, it would be amazing to see a real, big-budget kaiju film in theaters, and maybe give the genre a bit of a shot in the arm.
 

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afroebob said:
... all in all the whole idea of it just seems dumb. Not to mention, do you remember the last time giant robots fought giant monsters?



I'm not trying to convince you not to watch it, I'm just throwing out the honest reason why I think nobodies really talking about this movie.
See, the whole Kaiju element to it is the only reason I'm going to go see it. I miss the old Godzilla movies. I miss giant monsters destroying cities and annihilating armies before being beaten down by other giant monsters. It's an old genre that I think needs to be revitalized with our enlightened future graphics technology.
 

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Isn't it just a Hollywood liveaction/cgi rendition of a generic mecha anime?

Why bother? You can get the same thing portioned into bite-sized 22 minute episodes to watch on the bus or whatever.
 

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rcs619 said:
Mcupobob said:
I didn't even know about this movie, but yeah if I get the chance I'll be watching. Normally I think that Giant robots and monsters is silly. However this looks like it could be fun.
Giant robots fighting giant monsters is silly. That's kind of the point :p It's a modern-day, big-budget daikaiju movie. Think of it more like godzilla, gamera, ultraman or the Megazord fights from power rangers, than some of the more recent, more 'serious' giant monster movies.

You have the right mindset though. Sometimes a movie doesn't necessarily NEED to be super deep, or super serious. Sometimes it just needs to be fun. That's what kaiju movies were about most of the time, just watching two huge, crazy-looking monsters slug it out and beat the crap out of each other while they destroyed an extremely elaborate set of miniatures.

Personally, I hope this movie does well. It's an original, new IP in a time where most of the big-budget movies getting made are sequels or cash-grabs of known properties. And on top of that, it looks like it's trying to be a proper daikaiju movie, and it's been decades since there was one big enough and mainstream enough to get a wide theatrical release. After massive disappointments like Cloverfield, or Monsters and huge disasters like the American Godzilla film, it would be amazing to see a real, big-budget kaiju film in theaters, and maybe give the genre a bit of a shot in the arm.
I'm not some high-brow movie buff I'll see goofy movies. Its just I don't like Japanese style movies, games, Anima, whatever. Nothing against them its just not my cup of tea. However this looks like it could be fun.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Well, it's a lot of big overly rendered CGI stuff all over the screen - It's not something for me to get really excited about anymore. I saw the same thing in The Avengers and The Hobbit.

Really, what else is new?
Well, CGI or not, it's mostly the designs I'm exited about. It's Del Toro, he's one helluva character designer. The monsters, the robots, bring 'em on.
 

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Honestly the first thing i thought of when i saw this was Crysis. But OT ya it looks like this is a battleship/transformers crossover and honestly I think it looks good and i usually never judge an action film by its trailer. But who knows it could be good...just not very hopeful:(

Edit: Oh and the other thing i thought of was the AT&T commercial where they are trying to say that bigger is better....which is wrong lol but thats for another discussion
 

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x-Tomfoolery-x said:
Yeah nope. Looks awful and boring. You know what I am excited for? The Wolverine.
OH MY GOD

How did you do it? How did you escape the inter dimensional vortex!?!
Quick, go back through, go back to opposite world before you create a dimensional anomaly and we're all destroooyyeeed!


Ahem, me too actually.

But also this film, because it looks like what I had hoped the Transformers movies would be, giant cgi creatures beating seven shades of bejesus out of each other. I'd like it to be more than that, but if it isn't there's space in life for big loud dumb movies, it won't be anything like as boring as when JJ Abrams makes big loud dumb movies either, because Del Toro.
 

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Froggy Slayer said:
'It's silly. Things of that size couldn't walk. That oil tanker would collapse under it's own weight. Why not just use bombs?'

Fortunately, I don't care about these kinds of complaints, because this is a film about giant fucking robots punching giant fucking monsters in the face. When that's your starting point there's very little that can take me out of the film.

So the boys from 'Reel Physics' would have a ball with this flick? :)
 

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x-Tomfoolery-x said:
Yeah nope. Looks awful and boring. You know what I am excited for? The Wolverine.
You're, you're being sarcastic right? You have to be, it MUST be the reasoning behind this post.

OT: I'm gonna go see it, looks good. They handle the subject matter fairly straight besides 'cargo ship bat' and of course giant monsters and two pilot robots can be.
 

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Izanagi009 said:
[Kira Must Die said:
]I see a lot of snobbery in this thread.

I'm excited for it. I like Guillermo del Toro. I like mecha anime. I think it looks awesome. I can't say that's it gonna have a shitty plot or a great plot only judging by the trailers. The whole "melding minds" thing seems like it could be interesting. Nonetheless, I just hope it's gonna be great popcorn fun.
I second this opinion. There is a proper time for snobbery and a time to just kick back. We don't have to get defensive as there is no nostalgic franchise at stake, it has a lot of cool elements and del Toro seems to love this material so i see no reason not to get excited about this
The hilarious part about all this snobbery is that, while there is no nostalgic franchise at stake, people are actually trying to give it one!

Abandon4093 said:
It's just American evangellion isn't it?
Case in - motherfucking - point, right here.