PC Games Will Outsell Consoles by 2014

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Machine Man 1992 said:
At least i don't need a degree in computer engineering to upgrade my system every year.

Besides they fixed the Red Ring of Death, and my 'box never crapped out once in the four years I've owned it.

Consoles have always been a more economical for me.

And when's the last time you saw a used computer game?
Degree? You think everyone with a working knowledge of computers has a degree in engineering? It doesn't take 3 years of college to know what socket matches what. I did this stuff when I was 10.

It doesn't matter if there are used PC games. If you wanna be economical, you don't buy a game unless you're sure you're going to like it and want to keep it. Not that hard, PC gamers do it all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if Devs started forcing console players to enter a code for every game to prevent used sales with the way they keep trying to stop it.
 

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No one can deny that sitting in a nice chair playing a fun game isn't more enjoyable then sitting at a desk playing the same game.

10$


DVI to hdmi 15$


The price of a regular wireless 360 controller, or if you already have a 360, 0$ since original 360 controllers work fine with Windows.

The result (spoilered due to size):


Me, playing a round of good ol' Borderlands on my 4 year old laptop with Xbox controler, on my TV, from my couch in extended desktop mode.
I apologize for the horrible lighting but its 2am here and i needed to use a high ISO on my camera.

I entirely don't understand this argument, as if PC gamers are somehow nailed to their desk in their basement. Those days are long LONG gone...
 

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FelixG said:
The kind of people who need a degree in computer engineering to upgrade their system every few years is the same kind of person who needs to take a correspondence course on how to eat, and an online class from the university of phoenix to learn how to use the internet :p
You I like. Here's an interesting bit of info. My cousin is the founder/CEO of Liquidweb web hosting services in Michigan. He's in his mid 20's, makes a million dollars a year. And guess what, he has his high school diploma, that's it. His name is Matthew Hill, I would post a link but I'd like to avoid accusations of advertising. The point is, computers are much easier than people make them out to be.
 

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Your "Average Joe" could learn how to build a PC these days.
Your "Average Joe" could learn how to install games these days.
Your "Average Joe" could also go out and buy an affordable gaming laptop.

But at the end of the day, Joe can't be assed to do any of these things or maybe doesn't even know he can. Therefore, he will go for the easier, more advertised, and probably more popular route of purchasing a console.

Maybe until learning how to build PCs (perhaps taught in schools) becomes mandatory and your average laptop or PC (meaning without research) bought for Jimmy's homework is as powerful as your typical console, as well as just as popular among his friends as the gaming choice to play COD: Rehash 10, then we will start to see games sell more on PC.

Or maybe even, when Joey realises that the family PC in his living room could also play COD or when he realises that he could save money getting a decent PC instead of both a cheap one and a console...

You get the point. It's not happening any time soon. Oh, and first party games/exclusives too (think Halo, Gears, Mario, Zelda, Uncharted, Dark Souls, Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy etc.)

Edit: The gaming market is also much more complicated, include casual gaming and PC is already ahead. Your typical Wii player may also be a huge farmville fan.
 

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Blizzard are migrating to Consoles - does the PC have any developer loyalty left at all? I mean, outside maybe Zynga?
I know I'll sound like a fanboy for saying this, and I probably am already, but...Team Shanghai Alice. Just. TSA.
 

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Machine Man 1992 said:
At least i don't need a degree in computer engineering to upgrade my system every year.

Besides they fixed the Red Ring of Death, and my 'box never crapped out once in the four years I've owned it.

Consoles have always been a more economical for me.

And when's the last time you saw a used computer game?
I recently upgraded my graphics card. It was as difficult as taking out the old card and slotting the new one in -- like Lego. I'm studying Arts, by the way.

As for the costs: when you factor in annual Live costs, the generally higher pricing of games and peripherals, the costs tend to balance out. Hell, you can make a substantive argument that PC gaming is cheaper.

A solid gaming computer will not cost all that much to make, maintain and upgrade. Contrary to popular belief, you simply do not need the latest technology every upgrade cycle to get an excellent gaming experience. Leave that to the enthusiasts.

I do not begrudge you for using an Xbox, but you have certain misconceptions about PC gaming.
 

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The 00's were merely a setback!

On a serious note I hope this means less shitty console ports.
Seconded, I also hope this means we don't have to put up with shitty DRM as well, because I actually have decided to get Battlefield 3 on Xbox because I refuse to use Origin.

Oh, and, I look forward to nVidia's 2015 processors, maybe everyone will be able to run Crysis 3...
 

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I think it's a dumb thing to compare PC vs consoles in the sales department. I mean, we are comparing one platform vs three (or five if you count the handhelds).
 

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Also not everyone is that tech savy. My buddy who is slightly tech savy can't get his laptop on his tv easily i don't think. Of course I also saw a guy do it with a projector...that was epic. I think we need to do away with this elitism. My buddy has a gaming laptop. He still uses his PS3 even though his laptop does just as good.
Tech savvy?

They are cables for gods sake, you plug them in, thats it.
If you can't connect your PC to the TV because you are not "tech savvy" enough, how the fuck did you connect you Xbox?!
I can understand if someone has a hard time syncing his xbox media center with windows because that actually involves going into some system settings, but cables are too complicated too?

Seriously, people need to stop thinking PCs are rocket science. You are not launching the next mission to mars, you are playing a game.

Click Steam on your desktop, click "buy" on a game, play game. You don't even need to walk to the store for that one.

What I'm combating here specifically is the myth that consoles are "more comfortable" or "more convenient".
I'm especially trying to counter the console marketing that creates the false vision where console gamers are sexy, rich and cool, while PC gamers are obese, balding dudes hiding in their basement eating hotpockets and drinking mountain dew.

 

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adamtm said:
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Actually that's false now. The future is rather bleak in that regard because consoles are being killed by the casual market while the PC gets all the hardcore gamers. The PC is both a casual and hardcore platform, the bane of consoles. Not only that but consoles are repeatedly becoming more and more complex with creates problems for the platform as whole. Consoles are no longer sustainable, and its showing in the big way.

The death of consoles would be poor business strategy, a shifting market, and a monopoly from the likes of Activision, EA, etc.

You also grossly over estimate what goes into PC gaming. It does not require a fucking scientist for play a PC game.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_265/7935-Punching-the-Baby-Seal-of-PC-Gaming

That article outlines pretty much what made me more-or-less give up PC gaming a year and a half ago.
Now most of the time, everything goes fine and dandy in the realm of the PC game -- most of the time you just download it, click it and BAM, you're playing, however the things that happened to Chuck Wendig in that article really do happen -- and they've happened to me (well not those exact problems, but you get my point).
And i got a red ring of death on a 360, 3 times. After the third one i sold the 360 on ebay as fast as possible.

Shit happens, on both systems.

At least with a PC i know how to fix the problem myself, and it doesn't even involve towels...
But wasn't RROD a hardware problem, whereas most PC crashes are due to software and bugs and poorly setup and maintained computers?
 

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adamtm said:
There is a standardized PC platform, its called a Mac. The last time i looked the game market for Macs was horrible. My friend just recently was totally excited to finally play Call of Duty on his Mac, Call of Duty 2 that is.

There is no "future of console gaming".

As is, we do not have a next nextgen console generation on the horizon. We just don't.
The WiiU is 4 year old hardware, it still runs DX10.

The future of console gaming is having more of the same. Instead of an open-world Dragon Age, instanced corridor missions with re-used assets. Because theres only so much you can cram on a DVD and just so much processing power available to display it.

The next generation of consoles will need to go with DX11 at minimum, meaning it is only -now- being developed with current-gen PC chipsets, you won't see one for at least 2 years if its even developed at all.

The future might still release faulty hardware, all systems have glitches, even Macs. The console stability myth is as flawed as the Mac stability myth.

AFAIK Fallout 3 is one of the buggiest games on Xbox. There is no "better" or "more stable".

Consoles are just really good at one thing: Plug and Play

I.E. convenience
Perhaps a bit of exaggeration, but I would think mostly on the ball. However...

What do you mean "no future of console gaming"? Sure there is. There's tomorrow, the next two weeks, the next six months and whatever Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft do in the next couple of years. It may not be the same console we're used to seeing, but it won't be a desktop computer or a laptop either, I'm betting.

Not all consoles use DVDs. PS3, as you well know, uses Blurays that hold far more data than DVDs. Current consoles will continue to use discs, but as we skew more and more towards full digital, storage capacity of discs won't matter. On top of that, I wouldn't be surprised to see games eventually showing up on solid state storage devices with massive amounts of memory. I've got a 500gb drive in my PS3. In a few years they'll be able to cram that memory into something the size of a PSP memory stick.

Console and Mac stability are definitely overrated, but that being said, I've had far, far less problems with a Mac and a PS3 than I ever had with a Windows based PC. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but I've not got any complaints about my PS3 (the Mac yes, but for entirely different, unrelated reasons). I gave up PC gaming years ago, because I found it was becoming impossible for me to play newer games without investing money- money I didn't have at the time. I don't have that issue with my console.

Fallout: New Vegas is the buggiest game I've encountered on my PS3. Almost unplayable at this point. Fallout 3, oddly enough, hardly gave me any problems. Go figure.

I'm not saying you are, but people seem to look down on "convenience" like it's a bad thing. Why is that? What's wrong with making something easy? That's why Macs and iPhones had such a popularity surge. The closed systems of those, and consoles too, make it much easier for more people to just use a device. As neat as it is to know how and why things work and be able to tinker with them to your liking, there's also much to be said for products that just work. Work as advertised, work when you want them to and work throughout the products lifetime. I'm not saying PCs don't, but they do have a reputation for a reason. It's why we have IT departments and computer techs and, yes, Mac stores too. Shit happens and not everyone can or even wants to know how to fix it. Just like cars. How many people know how to fix their own cars? Not most people. They just want a nice, reliable, comfortable car, and that's sort of what a console is. PCs are like racing cars- you need a bit more knowledge, time and money to drive them, but when you get it running right, the Fords and Toyotas just don't compare. But there's nothing wrong with Fords and Toyotas and, in fact, some of them are quite nice, go pretty darn fast and look good too. But nobody is bitching that cars are "convenient". No one cares, because in the end, they mostly work for most people.

Personally, I think both PCs and consoles have their benefits and their downsides and that each person should be free to choose one or the other without someone else calling them an "elitist" or being looked down upon because they don't want a gaming computer.
 

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But then Steam raises a new problem. I can't hand cash to steam. I have 0 ways of paying for anything on steam. I know many other people like this. Plus downloading an entire game can take awhile. Where as walking to the store and handing someone money is easier then setting up a paypal and getting the info needed to connect it to my bank or getting a credit card and then connecting it to the account to buy things.
Prepaid credit cards. Have a rite aid in town? they carry them. Walmart in town? they also carry them. not having anyway to buy games through steam is just an excuse this day and age. You should look into it just for the sales Steam has.
 

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Wal-Mart is further away then best buy lol. No Rite Aids. Another reason I don't use steam is because I like having the Disk.
Perhaps people just aren't looking at the advantages a disk can have.

You can give an old disk to a friend or relative that can't afford new games. You can trade the game in at some store for credit. You can trade around games with friends so you don't have to buy all the new games if you have friends to trade with. If you want to play on a different machine and that machine doesn't have an internet connection you can still play if you have the disk.

Steam is great but there are still some things you can do with a disk that you just can't do with Steam.
 

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The reason I prefer console gaming over PC gaming? Because you don't have to worry about minimum specs every time you buy a game.

Case in point: I've got a 4-year-old Dell XPS M1530 gaming laptop and it's run most of the games I've installed on it. The game I've noticed it hates the most currently is the Sims 3 and Dead Island. My boyfriend is actually building me a new PC because my laptop has had everything in it replaced (under warranty, love that) and it's on it's way out.

If I played either of those on my 6-year-old Xbox, I wouldn't have a drama.

PC gaming is more about who has the bigger E-Peen these days instead of actually enjoying the game as proven in the OP.
 

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This MIGHT be the case, if there aren't new versions of consoles by then.

'cos one of the main reasons people are playing PC games more is 'cos consoles are DINOSAURS right now, and their PCs, which are toasters compared to top tier PCs mind you, will still run them better than the console versions.

I mean, I sold my i7 recently 'cos a customer really needed one urgently, and I'm back to using a grossly outdated core2quad 2.67, and it still shits over my PS3 so hard it's not even worth considering a PS3 version of a game if I have a choice.

That, and PC titles are cheaper (when new; and buying from a sensible store like dungeon crawl), although prices might level out somewhat if online passes become the norm on consoles.
 

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vrbtny said:
This is all fair and well, but I get the feeling that the figures are somewhat screwed up by the fact there hasn't been a new console generation in..... ages.
This is what I was thinking, the console cycle is (hopefully) nearing it's end, and with that people aren't buying them, instead they settle for PC's which are more than just a gaming platform.

Plus with the release and popularity of MineCraft, people are drawn into the PC gaming side of things, (I know I was).

We need some more great and accessible PC exclusives!
 

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questionnairebot said:
Ashley Blalock said:
questionnairebot said:
Wal-Mart is further away then best buy lol. No Rite Aids. Another reason I don't use steam is because I like having the Disk.
Perhaps people just aren't looking at the advantages a disk can have.

You can give an old disk to a friend or relative that can't afford new games. You can trade the game in at some store for credit. You can trade around games with friends so you don't have to buy all the new games if you have friends to trade with. If you want to play on a different machine and that machine doesn't have an internet connection you can still play if you have the disk.

Steam is great but there are still some things you can do with a disk that you just can't do with Steam.
The internet Connection is my biggest concern. With many titles having the whole "Online Always" problem what happens if the internet goes down? There are people who still play games without internet connections. I don't know if you need a net connection to play steam always but if you do to me that is a negative point to it.
You can play most steam titles in offline mode, BUT, you need an internet connection in order to tell steam to go into offline mode. -_-
Meaning, if you know you're going on the road, or if you have a connection but it's not altogether stable, it's an option.
But if your connection suddenly cuts out, no steam for you.
 

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Mr. Omega said:
OT: Well that's all well and good. Here's me not giving a damn. Now when they make an actually decent, cheap and accessable gaming laptop, then I'll interested in PC Gaming.
...I walked past six today at my local computer part shop.

Are you interested yet? Or does your definition of "cheap" mean less than $300?
 

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Mr. Omega said:
OT: Well that's all well and good. Here's me not giving a damn. Now when they make an actually decent, cheap and accessable gaming laptop, then I'll interested in PC Gaming.
...I walked past six today at my local computer part shop.

Are you interested yet? Or does your definition of "cheap" mean less than $300?
Ok, does said shop deliver/ship out or something? How about a link for this place? Preferable one that WORKS, unlike the last one I was given. I keep getting these claims of "oooh, well I can find one! I see them all the time!"

And then when I ask "Cool, where can I get one?" or "Care to back that claim up?" they say one of three things:

1: "Oh, google it, you lazy fuckwit!" You made the claim, you back it up.
2: "I made it myself!" Well, so much for the 'accessible' part...
3: "I wouldn't expect a console-tard like you to know where to shop for a good gaming PC. *insert snarky comment on how I should stick to CoD*" Not that common on this site (but still common, don't get me wrong.), but it just goes to them dodging the question.

I've gotten ONE legit response in my entire time questioning PC Gamers about this, and that one time, the link didn't work.

So to put it bluntly:
I'm very skeptical of your statement. Link or I don't believe you. If your answer is going to be one of the three above, don't bother responding.