PC gaming is dead to me now.

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Nomanslander said:
Call me lazy, call me even stupid for not trying hard enough, say that it's all my fault
Nomanslander said:
Tired of it being my PC's fault the game doesn't work.
So which is it?


it bothers me more to update consoles than keep my drivers up to date



Consoles: glorified PC that doesn't have any "interesting" functionality besides playing games and making you spend an extra 20? whenever you want to play a new game.




PROTIP: get an antivirus that does not freeze games.



LiquidSolstice said:
Isn't it a bit of hypocrisy to say on one end that PC gaming is great because of mods" and then say "you're leaving because you couldn't get those mods working?"

Step by step tutorials don't always ensure success. Why should he buy a game on the PC instead of the console when the PC mod that people grab about doesn't work anyway?
Because there are dozens of other mods? Because it's still a game?


When you buy a PC game, you buy a PC game. Nobody is telling you otherwise.

But the fact is that you can get the cherry on top, which are mods. Dozens. Or hundreds.
 

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Hammeroj said:
JoesshittyOs said:
I can't even get a mod to work on Minecraft, I'm that hopeless. The thought of putting 900 or so bucks into a decent gaming PC only to find walls of requirements and tinkering just to get a game to work scares me.
Now, that would be a point if you couldn't get the actual game to work, but you can. So what are you trying to say, that because modding is too complicated for you (never mind that there are complete step by step tutorials everywhere you download mods from in the first place), PC gaming is too complicated?
Isn't it a bit of hypocrisy to say on one end that PC gaming is great because of mods" and then say "you're leaving because you couldn't get those mods working?"

Step by step tutorials don't always ensure success. Why should he buy a game on the PC instead of the console when the PC mod that people grab about doesn't work anyway?
 

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OK then.

If I have problems they're fixed in about 20 minutes. So... yeah.
 

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Chemical Horse said:
Nomanslander said:
I try to think back to why this has happened and today after spending eight hours pulling my hair trying to get games on steam to work I've realized why.

The truth is, I just can't take it anymore.

Call me lazy, call me even stupid for not trying hard enough, say that it's all my fault, but honestly, I don't care anymore. I'm sick and tired of trying to fix this problem or that. Tired of it being my PC's fault the game doesn't work. Tired of my anti virus freezing up the game. Or having to re-install my sound card to get sound to work in Bioshock (which hasn't done it).

I am just sick and tired of spending all day, all fucking day on this forum and that, sometimes going on weeks trying to hunt down that one stupid reason a game isn't working when it should.

Today, every fucking game on my Steam library wasn't working. After five hours of trying to figure out what was going on and nearly deciding to reformat my PC (again for the 3rd time this month) I find out Steam has been down with certain clients and had decided not to let anyone know. I had to find out about this in some back alley of the google search engine after the 17 page.
Right, because you're not going to have ANY problems with your PS3. I mean, it's not like their networks are stupidly easy to breach even after a massive hack already.

And the red ring of death is purely urban myth.

And of course the games will work 100% perfectly 100% of the time. It's not like discs can get scratched, the players can get clogged with schmutz.

Oh and of course your thousand dollar HD TV is indestructible and you'll never need to buy a new one if any of a myriad of problems make it stop working.

About seven years ago if you were to ask me if I was a PC gamer, I'd stand tall and arrogant waving a flag and say "yes" then go on to denounce console gaming for its inferiority and pretty much say anything else imaginable that would embarrass the crap out of me today.
OK, you are a not a gamer, you're a dick. Good riddance.

SWTOR ended up sucking anyways no thanks to it being a rip off clone to an MMO that's over seven years old and shouldn't matter anymore. And since Diablo 3 isn't coming to any console, I say I care less to that too.
Get. The. Fuck. Out.
the last part made me gigglee ^^ +1 to you Chemical Horse :D
 

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Nomanslander said:
Like I said, you guys can call me a PC half wit if you want. Tar and feather me, drag me to center of town square and have little children and e-trolls throw peanuts and rocks at me for their amusement. I don't care.

Fuck PC gaming, I quit. Oh and I mean my Realtek driver for Bioshock, just isn't....you know, I'm not even going to go there..lol
Dude. Sometimes people just want to plug in a machine to a screen, put in a game and have it... work. Whether you believe it for not, PC gamers aren't those people.

I stand adamantly by that PC gaming is a hobby that should - and often does - encompass all aspects of PC technology. A PC gamer should know the ins and outs of their machines, they should relish upgrading and building computers, they should be as good with the electronics as they are with the final output.

A lot of PC gamers aren't, and they're "PC gamers" because they want shinier games at higher resolutions with the comfort of mouse and keyboard control. And that's fine. But at the end of a day, a PC gamer really should love more than that. It should be a time-consuming, difficult hobby. There's a reason console gaming still exists despite PCs being built that are better than consoles on the market, and it's this very reason - PC gaming is hard. And giving up is no more a sign of defeat than it is just an indication that PC gaming isn't for you.

No reason to declare the whole hobby is dead, no reason to feel like you're being judged for it. You "quit" for an affable reason - it was hard. This does not make you stupid, and it doesn't make people who continue to stick with it morons. You just wanted to enjoy your leisure time and have it not be a chore. This is normal. This is why console games exist; they're easy, they're cheaper, and that's not a bad thing. Do whatever it takes to get the most out of the time you have reserved for entertainment, and fuck everyone who says otherwise.

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Just a heads up to all the dipshits who are saying "enjoy your red rings" and all that, the newer 360s don't red-ring anymore (at least not in the same volume). Hell, before the newer Slim models came out, they stopped red-ringing (I still have the original all-black "Elite" model, it's coming up on 4 years now and it's still rocking on)

The response from PC gamers here has been typical; "you're too stupid to use a pc gtfo". And they wonder where the reputation of being obnoxious elitist pricks comes from?

Here's the deal. I buy a console. I know that games will continue to be pumped out for it for quite some time. I know the online system will always be consistent. I know there is no DRM involved. I buy the game, and I play it, it's as simple as that. I don't even have to install it to the hard drive and waste a single second if I don't want to.

I know that there are no system requirements. I know that there are no "catches". I know that when I turn on my Xbox, at no point are my crucial work files on my computer hard ever at any sort of danger. I know that the 360 I bought 4 years ago will eventually get refreshed to a newer model, but I also know that I don't need to spend a penny to make newer games work because of it.

PC gaming has its plusses, but for many people, it's not an economic or long-term solution, and frankly, the attitude of PC gamers alone makes me not want to play.
I'm a PC gamer, and I absolutely agree. The elitism that comes with PC gaming is abysmal and I really don't understand. PC gaming and console gaming are two completely different sorts of hobbies, it really is oranges and apples; and yeah, sure, they both play games, but that should be no reason at all to compare the hobbies. They just attract too different a bunch of player bases.

An objective fact is that PCs are better than consoles, at least from a technical standpoint. They run more games, at better quality, at relatively cheaper prices than consoles do. This is indisputable. The bells and whistles - or the curses, if you'd rather look at it this way - is that it will not be an instant process.

As I mentioned, it is hard. And I think a lot of PC gamers take refuge in this - "I worked harder for a better machine than yours; this makes me better than you!" It's a disgusting attitude, whatever the reasoning behind it, and it needs to stop. PC and console gaming exist, they won't go away and mindlessly throwing shit at one another will never change the fact that this is our spare time we're talking about and you do what you enjoy most! I mean, really. I like that PC gaming can be a difficult beast. I like that it's often a struggle, because it makes it all the more beautiful when I've finally crafted myself a machine that can play all the games I enjoy flawlessly.

Some won't. It's more than understandable - it's just LOGICAL, that they would gravitate towards console gaming. Mind you, console gaming flings insults at people who have, say, picked the "wrong" console, so it's not to say that community is entirely doing itself a service in that regard. But console vs PC? Fuck. If you can't be bothered to understand why someone would pick one over the other, and vice versa, you're a fucking moron and you have no respect from me.
 

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My first PC I had for 6 years. Every game I ever tried to play on that exept one (a game I don't even remember, so can't have been very interestin XD) worked without any head pain. Last summer I got a new one, it came to me defective and I was too lazy to send it back so I dealt with a lot of crashes... Now I've had it repaired, and again there are no problems. I'm not facing a single game that I cannot just install and play.

I think I may be extremely lucky when it comes to PC gaming, possibly gaming in general. I have yet to see a single bug while playing Skyrim, Fallout: New Vegas was a nearly flawless experience, I've only ever seen the blue screen of death two times (on my school-issued laptop), and my taste in gaming fits perfectly with many of the more recent free-to-play MMO's showing up, as well as last years biggest titles that are considered best on the PC.

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On the other hand, my brother and I had a PS2... It took FOREVER to load even the smallest detail, and the lack of updates, patches, mods and addons didn't allow for a life anywhere near as long. Then I played on my roomies PS3, and it may just be the games I played but it barely loads any faster than the PS2 XD.

N64 though... Couple of my favorite games of all time are on there =3.
 

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I have a 360 for high end games and a low end PC for stuff like Gmod, TF2, Quake III and HL2, which are the best PC games, in my opinion.

I think that should be normal, since the best part of PC gaming is free online, Steam (it's awesome), mods and keyboard and mouse (arguably). You get the best of both worlds at a reasonable price.

I mean, everybody has a computer that can run HL2 nowadays.
And you don't need a super awesome computer to run BF3, because you already have an Xbox, PS3 or whatever.

"But BF on PC is sooo much better"
Suck it up, investing on a powerful PC when owning a console is retarded. Especially since it's just slight differences in gaming
 

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Chemical Horse said:
SWTOR ended up sucking anyways no thanks to it being a rip off clone to an MMO that's over seven years old and shouldn't matter anymore. And since Diablo 3 isn't coming to any console, I say I care less to that too.
Get. The. Fuck. Out.
I seriously just spat tea all over my desk. A* buddy.
 

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LiquidSolstice said:
PC gaming has its plusses, but for many people, it's not an economic or long-term solution, and frankly, the attitude of PC gamers alone makes me not want to play.
- Cheap initial investment (250? 3 years ago was cheap compared to a PS3)
- Upgradeable (in 3 years, did not have any new parts because it didn't need anything to run newer games)
- Cheaper games (45-50? for a new game, compared to )
- Replay value of modded games
- You can get a good gaming screen for as low as 200?, let's see you buying an HDTV for less than 400?
(note, you might already have a HDTV, but people who buy computers also scavenge their screens so it's a win for PC)
- Multiplayer. Few games have P2P connection, most have dedicated servers. No host advantage issues, and no annoying host migration.
- It's also a work station. You can't do school work/anything related to your job in a console (although you can read your email in some)


You're already losing money by buying a console.



Trust me, I own a 360 and a PSP-3004 (bought this Christmas, buying consoles and operative systems is like surgery. Don't let a med student chop you, wait at least 5 years)





Sirron Kcuch said:
I have a 360 for high end games and a low end PC for stuff like Gmod, TF2, Quake III and HL2, which are the best PC games, in my opinion.

I think that should be normal, since the best part of PC gaming is free online, Steam (it's awesome), mods and keyboard and mouse (arguably). You get the best of both worlds at a reasonable price.

I mean, everybody has a computer that can run HL2 nowadays.
And you don't need a super awesome computer to run BF3, because you already have an Xbox, PS3 or whatever.

"But BF on PC is sooo much better"
Suck it up, investing on a powerful PC when owning a console is retarded. Especially since it's just slight differences in gaming

Refer to the part where I said I have a 250? computer that is 3 years old and can run Crysis/BF3 at 1680x1050 (some stuff high, other very high)with no problems.


"HURR I NEED $2500 TO RUN A GAME ONLY A FEW MONTHS OLD"
 

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I will never understand why this is a goddamn debate!!

SOME PEOPLE LIKE PC GAMING. For a variety of understandable, normal reasons!

SOME PEOPLE LIKE CONSOLE GAMING. Also for a variety of understandable, normal reasons!

THIS. IS. NOT. A. FUCKING. CLASS. WAR. "PC master race" is a myth. Treat each other's hobbies; and more to the point, each other, with some fucking respect. I might not be able to stop you all spouting moronic half-truths at each other but I can damn well voice my disapproval. It's just plain embarrassing.

ElPatron said:
- You can get a good gaming screen for as low as 200?, let's see you buying an HDTV for less than 400?
As far as I'm concerned, the clincher on this kind of thing is thus: you can plug your PC into an HDTV. You can purchase a USB Xbox 360 controller on the cheap that pretty much all Windows games have support for out-of-the-box. Combine 'em?

Console experience with PC hardware; hey presto. No console does that. (Of course the cons of PC gaming still rear their ugly heads, but the experience is mostly identical, if not superior due to smoother frame rates 'n junk)
 

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You do know that being a console gamer is an embarrassment. And you will be thrown in with the crowds of frat-boy CoD players, and be despised by pretty much everyone.

Also, who uses a sound card anymore?
I'm an ex-PC gamer turned console player; and while I have my own reasons for quitting & yet almost completely disagree with the OPs reasons, I think your post is unjust. I refuse to touch COD, I dabble in halo and enjoy Battlefield. I just purchased The Sims 3, had unbound fun with From Dust, run hundred of old ladies over on Saints Row and ploughed my way through 3 play-throughs of Skyrim. Not once have I regretted switching from PC to 360.

Console gaming didn't get popular for its limitations, it got popular for its mainstream protocols, cheap simplicity and easy social connectivity - basically it's newbie-friendly. While I am saving up for a new PC to tank BF3 and Skyrim with more freedom, I do not regret one bit buying them for console. While PC gaming would better suit someone like me I just can't resist the hassle-free HDMI widescreen TV surround sound no-frills approach to entertainment that the console market has. It's not an embarrassment to me and I'm a total computer nerd. I know you can do all of that with a computer but it's gonna' cost you an ungodly amount of faffing around; and while I'm completely up for that A LOT of people aren't and it's just so much damn cheaper to stick to something like a games console. It was the fact that MOST of my friends weren't up for that hassle with PC gaming that I made the switch to consoles for them.

I get disturbed more by "frat-boy Cod players" in online forums than I ever do on console. Simple solution there on the console, mute/block communications. Or my best advice would be to not play such a personally lowly game.
 

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Hammeroj said:
JoesshittyOs said:
I can't even get a mod to work on Minecraft, I'm that hopeless. The thought of putting 900 or so bucks into a decent gaming PC only to find walls of requirements and tinkering just to get a game to work scares me.
Now, that would be a point if you couldn't get the actual game to work, but you can. So what are you trying to say, that because modding is too complicated for you (never mind that there are complete step by step tutorials everywhere you download mods from in the first place), PC gaming is too complicated?
Well... yeah.

I've taken a step by step tutorial to try and install the program that let's you download mods and get them to work. I don't know what it is, but I am legitimately hopeless when it comes to computer technology. I can sit down all day if I have to, but I'll never figure it out. I have a few games on my lab top that I downloaded from steam, and CoD 4 required Punkbuster to work (my Labtop couldn't handle it in the first place). I literally had no idea where to start when it popped up. Looked up tutorials, got confused within the first ten seconds. Missed steps, didn't understand what the person meant as his folder looked different than mine.

I really do envy PC gaming and people who are generally good with code and tech savvy stuff. But I am very much not ready for it. Words like video cards and drivers fly over my head, and I'm too much of a lazy person to really take the time and research it.
 

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Great, and now you can get a 360 and eventually get to the granny-shagging stage of owning a an X-Box, you know when you're afraid to turn it on in case the next time it dies on you
 

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That's exaclty why I don't play PC games either. I always run into some issue whether minor or major that takes hours of googling to find a solution that someone found on some forum. And, I'm very knowlegdeable about PCs too, I have a Bachelor's in computer networking. I'd rather just pop the game into my PS3, sit on my recliner in front of my TV, invert the y-axis, and get to playing right away without any tweaking. I kinda love tweaking everything on my PC too; I hacked and edited the shell32.dll file on Windows XP for the purpose of changing all my icons. But, when it comes to games, I just want to play. Plus, I hate using a keyboard for movement because keyboards are digital and not analog like an analog stick.
The problem here is the assumption that having a degree in networking means that you're completely aware of every possible thing that goes on with different tasks.

And as I love bursting bubbles, here goes.

Some of the more complex issues that I've had to fix in my time as a engineer are caused by people who either claim to "know a bit about PCs", or have some kind of education in a field that seems connected with PCs. A little (or even a lot) of knowledge is fucking dangerous.

And you've also shot your own argument down. You're happy to fuck about with shell and change icons on your desktop, and "love tweaking everything" on your PC, but you're somehow out of that enthusiasm when it comes to gaming? Seriously, if you loved it as much as you seem to profess, then you'd love it more. Driver tweaks, configs, everything.

Oh, and inverting Y on the consoles is a tweak.


But back to the OP... If you're having widespread problems with a large number of games, then maybe it isn't the games that are at fault. Maybe it's the PC itself that is slowly dying. You can't notice it in anything else? Well, the first criteria for picking out a PC is "Do I want to play games?". The first thing that someone should be asking themselves is about the single most taxing thing on the system.
It's the most taxing, therefore the most likely place that you're going to be able to pre-empt a system failure in.

The smart money is on you having more issues with your PC down the line. I give it maybe 6 months or so...


And back on track... I love PC gaming. Yes, I have consoles as well, but there are just some games that work better on consoles (e.g. fighting, racing, and 3rd person action games), and some that work massively better on PCs (e.g. RTS, MMO, and FPS), so I have the best of both worlds.

Yeah, I get screwed on both side for shitty DRM, but as our hobby lays fully within the realm of an industry failing to get its head around the whole "pirates gonna pirate" thing, then it'll calm itself down.

And while we're on the topic of DRM... Steam, I still love you. Enough that all of my installed games are added as non-Steam games. So much more sense using a single area to launch everything from, instead of hunting through the Start Menu..
 

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I can't remember what comes after SET BLASTER any more, I think A=220 but the rest I'm drawing a blank. I remember writing Autoexec.bat files for all my games and having to allocate memory for some reason, I think the command was SYSMEM but that doesn't look right (My memory is failing). It was a huge step up learning that stuff from the relative simplicity of LOAD "*",8,1.

Gaming on PC is a hell of a lot easier than it used to be.
 

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I bought a Ps3 when the control measures for Pc games took over and I had to reprogram the GTA4.exe because there was no command to start the game in there ...
Now I'm back to Pc. First of all because Steam works very good, offers low prices on games and also because on a console you are limited with what you can play.
You can't play titles that are too old for the console itself and you miss out strategy games. Actually you almost end up with shooters only. The only advantage a console has, is the multiplayer with 2-4 friends, but hardly any games support that.