PC gaming is dead to me now.

[endtherapture]

The loading times are ridiculous on console.

Skyrim for instance, my friend was playing it on his PS3. The load times were ridiculous. I have to wait about 5-10 seconds for a new area to load in Skyrim. He was waiting about a minute. I'll keep my short load times thanks. The game was also significantly worse looking and also doesn't have any mods.

Mods are the best reason to game on PC.

People who claim they don't like gaming on PC because "PCs are for work", "It's harder to control", "I don't like it", "My Xbox is better" are just silly.

 

[Mugen]

That's exaclty why I don't play PC games either. I always run into some issue whether minor or major that takes hours of googling to find a solution that someone found on some forum. And, I'm very knowlegdeable about PCs too, I have a Bachelor's in computer networking. I'd rather just pop the game into my PS3, sit on my recliner in front of my TV, invert the y-axis, and get to playing right away without any tweaking. I kinda love tweaking everything on my PC too; I hacked and edited the shell32.dll file on Windows XP for the purpose of changing all my icons. But, when it comes to games, I just want to play. Plus, I hate using a keyboard for movement because keyboards are digital and not analog like an analog stick.

id just like to say, i appreciate that you went to the effort to write ''invert the y axis''.

eff all this lame pc vs console fanyboy stuff...it should be scholarly, gentleman inverted gamers vs the unwashed illiterate masses whos minds are so simple they see 3 dimensional space in 2 dimensions.

 

[PonceyMcTosserFaic]

I totally know where he is coming from. I've ran the gauntlet, sifted through the forums and help pages and tore my hair out in frustration too. I guess the only difference is that i love computers and tech, not to mention feeling like einstein when i do fix a problem.

But at the same time i do love my 360 and all the cool games and fun times i've had. Just putting in the cd and it's off, maybe an update here and there but those are done in like 1 or 2 minutes.

 

[bobfish92]

Just get a gaming laptop after doing a little research. The only game I can't play so far is that old Starship Troopers one. I have problems with the laptop, but thats because its 2nd hand and old and needs a repaste - It overheats, but it runs every game so far fine. I see gaming laptops as a bit of a cross-breed of console and PC, with the best of both. Far better graphics and controls, reliability (in the fact that it will play everything not in the actual won't break) of consoles.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

PC gaming has its plusses, but for many people, it's not an economic or long-term solution, and frankly, the attitude of PC gamers alone makes me not want to play.

- Cheap initial investment (250? 3 years ago was cheap compared to a PS3)

...cheap? If you're using that number as a reference of PC purchasing budget, I would love to see you get a case and everything that goes in it for that money.

- Upgradeable (in 3 years, did not have any new parts because it didn't need anything to run newer games)

See, that's funny, because in 4 years, I've never needed to upgrade any of the parts in my 360 either.

- Cheaper games (45-50? for a new game, compared to )

Erm, I'm not entirely sure what part of Europe or wherever you live, but that's exactly what I pay for my 360 games (including tax).

- Replay value of modded games

If you can get them to work, and at that, if you can preserve your original game with ease, and on top of that, if it doesn't affect the DRM, sure.

- You can get a good gaming screen for as low as 200?, let's see you buying an HDTV for less than 400?
(note, you might already have a HDTV, but people who buy computers also scavenge their screens so it's a win for PC)

Oh? I need to buy a new HDTV to play games on my 360? Why the fuck can't I use the beautiful 24inch LED 1080p 2ms response time monitor that I have hooked up to my work computer already? Dual inputs are awesome, aren't they? I just negated 400? of your point with a "Select Input" button. "Buy an HDTV", you sir are hilarious ;D Not everyone plays their consoles on an actual TV, and seeing as all my TV content is either downloaded or On Demand in some way or another, I don't know why I'd waste any money on an HD Monitor that has a TV tuner in it (which is all an HDTV is anyway)

- Multiplayer. Few games have P2P connection, most have dedicated servers. No host advantage issues, and no annoying host migration.

The popular ones don't seem to have dedicated servers, does that mean I shouldn't be playing the popular games? Is that a worthy trade-off for being a godly PC gamer? And in my experience, dedicated servers on PC games means nothing more than creating custom textured maps that resemble Wal-Mart using light machine guns that shoot grenades.

- It's also a work station. You can't do school work/anything related to your job in a console (although you can read your email in some)

....and why oh why would I want to read my email on the same machine I use to play games on? I draw a clear line between work and play. I'm either working, or I'm playing. I don't ever mix the two. My phone checks my email and handles my chatting. My tablet checks my email and handles my chatting. My laptop handles my word processing too.

Why do I need to combine any of those? That's a terrible excuse. When was the last time you saw a car company advertising it's car saying "Oh! You can eat a fast-food meal in your car! You can't do that on a motorcycle! Buy our car!"

Yes, you could, but do you need too?

You're already losing money by buying a console.

And you've already lost this argument.

Trust me, I own a 360 and a PSP-3004

Trust you? The guy who expects me to forgo my current computer monitor and buy a brand new 400? HDTV for the sake of using a console? No thanks.

(bought this Christmas, buying consoles and operative systems is like surgery. Don't let a med student chop you, wait at least 5 years)

Oh, don't even worry, buddy. It's been four years since I paid $400 (that's about 312 in your money) for my 360 Elite with 2 controllers, Halo 3, and Fable 2, and I still have no doubt that I will be just fine for the next 5 years. Because when the next Xbox comes out, I'll only have to buy it once and it will last me again.

All arguments I've heard before, pretty much none of it holding any water at all.

 

[Vegosiux]

Like I said, you guys can call me a PC half wit if you want. Tar and feather me, drag me to center of town square and have little children and e-trolls throw peanuts and rocks at me for their amusement.

But it's no fun if you're a willing victim

But thing is, it's always kind of silly to tell other people how their way of gaming sucks because you're having problems with it.

 

[ezeroast]

Good. One less obnoxious prick going around with a superiority complex.

Dont worry there are still millions left, like me

 

[predatorpulse7]

Like I said, you guys can call me a PC half wit if you want. Tar and feather me, drag me to center of town square and have little children and e-trolls throw peanuts and rocks at me for their amusement. I don't care.

Fuck PC gaming, I quit. Oh and I mean my Realtek driver for Bioshock, just isn't....you know, I'm not even going to go there..lol

Dude. Sometimes people just want to plug in a machine to a screen, put in a game and have it... work. Whether you believe it for not, PC gamers aren't those people.

I stand adamantly by that PC gaming is a hobby that should - and often does - encompass all aspects of PC technology. A PC gamer should know the ins and outs of their machines, they should relish upgrading and building computers, they should be as good with the electronics as they are with the final output.

A lot of PC gamers aren't, and they're "PC gamers" because they want shinier games at higher resolutions with the comfort of mouse and keyboard control. And that's fine. But at the end of a day, a PC gamer really should love more than that. It should be a time-consuming, difficult hobby. There's a reason console gaming still exists despite PCs being built that are better than consoles on the market, and it's this very reason - PC gaming is hard. And giving up is no more a sign of defeat than it is just an indication that PC gaming isn't for you.

No reason to declare the whole hobby is dead, no reason to feel like you're being judged for it. You "quit" for an affable reason - it was hard. This does not make you stupid, and it doesn't make people who continue to stick with it morons. You just wanted to enjoy your leisure time and have it not be a chore. This is normal. This is why console games exist; they're easy, they're cheaper, and that's not a bad thing. Do whatever it takes to get the most out of the time you have reserved for entertainment, and fuck everyone who says otherwise.

I'm a PC gamer, and I absolutely agree. The elitism that comes with PC gaming is abysmal and I really don't understand. PC gaming and console gaming are two completely different sorts of hobbies, it really is oranges and apples; and yeah, sure, they both play games, but that should be no reason at all to compare the hobbies. They just attract too different a bunch of player bases.

An objective fact is that PCs are better than consoles, at least from a technical standpoint. They run more games, at better quality, at relatively cheaper prices than consoles do. This is indisputable. The bells and whistles - or the curses, if you'd rather look at it this way - is that it will not be an instant process.

As I mentioned, it is hard. And I think a lot of PC gamers take refuge in this - "I worked harder for a better machine than yours; this makes me better than you!" It's a disgusting attitude, whatever the reasoning behind it, and it needs to stop. PC and console gaming exist, they won't go away and mindlessly throwing shit at one another will never change the fact that this is our spare time we're talking about and you do what you enjoy most! I mean, really. I like that PC gaming can be a difficult beast. I like that it's often a struggle, because it makes it all the more beautiful when I've finally crafted myself a machine that can play all the games I enjoy flawlessly.

Some won't. It's more than understandable - it's just LOGICAL, that they would gravitate towards console gaming. Mind you, console gaming flings insults at people who have, say, picked the "wrong" console, so it's not to say that community is entirely doing itself a service in that regard. But console vs PC? Fuck. If you can't be bothered to understand why someone would pick one over the other, and vice versa, you're a fucking moron and you have no respect from me.

LOL, you couldn't be more wrong. You are talking about the very "elite" PC gamers. There are A LOT of PC gamers in this world and I'd wager that most don't follow this pattern. Those guys you are talking about up there, they take their hobby to the next step. It's like with gamers becoming professional gamers.

Most pc gamers know what's in their system but that hardly means that they are tech savy but most couldn't put it back together if you dismantled their computer. Heck, I've been gaming on PC since I was 13 and most I can do is replace my GPU and ram. Why? Because I was never that interested in pc's so as to rip its guts and put it back together. On the software side most things I learned had to do with operating systems and that's only cause I wanted to play games. You are talking about a VERY VOCAL minority that brags about their tech constantly(those guys that fap about graphics) and who actually are tech savy most times but again, that hardly represents the majority of pc gamers. It's like in the case of COD players. I don't like COD but most guys/girls that play it are ok people. What's COD most famous for? 13 year old freaking out on it and annoying the rest of the players. Again, a vocal minority.

I am a lazy guy. I admit it. But after gaming on this platform for 13 years I can't exactly say it was HARD. It was harder for me learning to use the computer than playing the actual games since I had no teacher and I was in the first 2-3 kids in my hood that got PC's. But the process of installing and playing games on the PC being HARD? Come on.

Sure, it isn't as plug and play as consoles but after the initial 20 minute install(sometimes even less), it's the same bloody thing. As someone before me wrote, people who aren't familiar with computers in general shouldn't be pc gamers because then it looks quite complicated(to install and play I mean) when it usually isn't.

If PC gaming was a chore, we would have far far fewer people playing on this platform. Unless yoy think people would rather be stubborn and stick with this more complex platform instead of taking the easy way out and choosing a console? Guess what, I would wager that with the exception of North America(and maybe Japan), elsewhere people still game mostly on PC and no, not all of them are techheads nor do they have the latest graphics card.

Console gaming is the easiest to do, PC gaming is not as easy but still quite easy IMO.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Well... yeah.

I've taken a step by step tutorial to try and install the program that let's you download mods and get them to work. I don't know what it is, but I am legitimately hopeless when it comes to computer technology. I can sit down all day if I have to, but I'll never figure it out. I have a few games on my lab top that I downloaded from steam, and CoD 4 required Punkbuster to work (my Labtop couldn't handle it in the first place). I literally had no idea where to start when it popped up. Looked up tutorials, got confused within the first ten seconds. Missed steps, didn't understand what the person meant as his folder looked different than mine.

I really do envy PC gaming and people who are generally good with code and tech savvy stuff. But I am very much not ready for it. Words like video cards and drivers fly over my head, and I'm too much of a lazy person to really take the time and research it.

I'm genuinely curious as to where your attempts to mod Minecraft go wrong. How about you PM me and later today I'll help you out with it?

Oh, why thank you. It's 6 o'clock in the morning where I am at and I haven't gone to bed yet, so it might come at a weird time but I might just take you up on that offer.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

[Mods are far on my list of "Why PC gaming is great", but even if it wasn't, I don't understand your point. That's exactly what I'm asking the guy. Why did he say getting a game to work is hard work after talking about not getting a mod to work?

Erm, I don't care where mods lie on your list of "Why PC gaming is great", it obviously is on most PC gamers' lists, so what was the point of the PC game if a heavily endorsed feature didn't work? The idea behind mods is to make the game play differently because you were bored or unsatisfied with the original content. He couldn't get what he wanted.

Considering Minecraft was the guy's example, there's basically nothing there to go wrong except fucking up somewhere along the steps. Minecraft is not a complicated game. If you follow the rules, it will work 99.999% of the time. I haven't modded any other game, personally, so I'll refrain from commenting on anything else specifically. I think it's fair to assume, though, that problems with mods (that aren't half-done) generally don't arise. I've certainly never heard of them.

So after admitting that Minecraft is the only game you've ever modded, you think it's acceptable to say that "problems with mods generally don't arise"? Erm, do you read your own posts? And then right after you think that because 'you've never heard of them' That it's "fair to assume"?

Man, no offense, that's all kinds of out-there.

 

[Alpha Maeko]

People who say these things have a tendency to show up with old-ass computers or ones they bought form Dell. Of course your Core2duo 1.8 ghz CPU + Geforce 8600 card can't handle this shit, anymore.

Anyway, I don't blame you, but my PC still works just fine 90% of the time, and I'm more then willing to jump a few hurdles for the gaming experiences I get out of it.

 

[chstens]

Like I said, you guys can call me a PC half wit if you want. Tar and feather me, drag me to center of town square and have little children and e-trolls throw peanuts and rocks at me for their amusement. I don't care.

Fuck PC gaming, I quit. Oh and I mean my Realtek driver for Bioshock, just isn't....you know, I'm not even going to go there..lol

You're making a much bigger deal out of this than what it actually is, you're acting like you've killed a child.

 

[Beryl77]

For me the good things about PC gaming outweights the negative things, so I won't quit PC gaming any time soon. Also, I hear many people complain about many different problems on the PC but I rarely have had problems. Sure it can happen sometimes but with the horror stories other people tell, I wonder whether I'm just really lucky.
Compared to how often my friend's Xbox360 and PS3 have just stopped working and they had to buy new ones, it seems like I have no real problems at all.

 

[TimeLord]

Bye then.

If you want to swap complexity for homogenized comfort, we won't stop you. Say goodbye to mods, Free DLC, Indie games and backwards compatability though.

Except that consoles get free DLC (Space Marine is a prime example of their free 'Exterminatus' DLC), indie games on XBLA and backwards compatibility too...

And for both consoles and PCs, backwards compatibility is limited. Ever tried to play a windows 95 game on a Windows 7 system without having to trail through FAQs, downloads and files to make it work? Go try playing Hogs Of War on a brand new computer without having to do any of that! It's not possible.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Like I said, you guys can call me a PC half wit if you want. Tar and feather me, drag me to center of town square and have little children and e-trolls throw peanuts and rocks at me for their amusement. I don't care.

Fuck PC gaming, I quit. Oh and I mean my Realtek driver for Bioshock, just isn't....you know, I'm not even going to go there..lol

Dude. Sometimes people just want to plug in a machine to a screen, put in a game and have it... work. Whether you believe it for not, PC gamers aren't those people.

I stand adamantly by that PC gaming is a hobby that should - and often does - encompass all aspects of PC technology. A PC gamer should know the ins and outs of their machines, they should relish upgrading and building computers, they should be as good with the electronics as they are with the final output.

A lot of PC gamers aren't, and they're "PC gamers" because they want shinier games at higher resolutions with the comfort of mouse and keyboard control. And that's fine. But at the end of a day, a PC gamer really should love more than that. It should be a time-consuming, difficult hobby. There's a reason console gaming still exists despite PCs being built that are better than consoles on the market, and it's this very reason - PC gaming is hard. And giving up is no more a sign of defeat than it is just an indication that PC gaming isn't for you.

No reason to declare the whole hobby is dead, no reason to feel like you're being judged for it. You "quit" for an affable reason - it was hard. This does not make you stupid, and it doesn't make people who continue to stick with it morons. You just wanted to enjoy your leisure time and have it not be a chore. This is normal. This is why console games exist; they're easy, they're cheaper, and that's not a bad thing. Do whatever it takes to get the most out of the time you have reserved for entertainment, and fuck everyone who says otherwise.

Just a heads up to all the dipshits who are saying "enjoy your red rings" and all that, the newer 360s don't red-ring anymore (at least not in the same volume). Hell, before the newer Slim models came out, they stopped red-ringing (I still have the original all-black "Elite" model, it's coming up on 4 years now and it's still rocking on)

The response from PC gamers here has been typical; "you're too stupid to use a pc gtfo". And they wonder where the reputation of being obnoxious elitist pricks comes from?

Here's the deal. I buy a console. I know that games will continue to be pumped out for it for quite some time. I know the online system will always be consistent. I know there is no DRM involved. I buy the game, and I play it, it's as simple as that. I don't even have to install it to the hard drive and waste a single second if I don't want to.

I know that there are no system requirements. I know that there are no "catches". I know that when I turn on my Xbox, at no point are my crucial work files on my computer hard ever at any sort of danger. I know that the 360 I bought 4 years ago will eventually get refreshed to a newer model, but I also know that I don't need to spend a penny to make newer games work because of it.

PC gaming has its plusses, but for many people, it's not an economic or long-term solution, and frankly, the attitude of PC gamers alone makes me not want to play.

I'm a PC gamer, and I absolutely agree. The elitism that comes with PC gaming is abysmal and I really don't understand. PC gaming and console gaming are two completely different sorts of hobbies, it really is oranges and apples; and yeah, sure, they both play games, but that should be no reason at all to compare the hobbies. They just attract too different a bunch of player bases.

An objective fact is that PCs are better than consoles, at least from a technical standpoint. They run more games, at better quality, at relatively cheaper prices than consoles do. This is indisputable. The bells and whistles - or the curses, if you'd rather look at it this way - is that it will not be an instant process.

As I mentioned, it is hard. And I think a lot of PC gamers take refuge in this - "I worked harder for a better machine than yours; this makes me better than you!" It's a disgusting attitude, whatever the reasoning behind it, and it needs to stop. PC and console gaming exist, they won't go away and mindlessly throwing shit at one another will never change the fact that this is our spare time we're talking about and you do what you enjoy most! I mean, really. I like that PC gaming can be a difficult beast. I like that it's often a struggle, because it makes it all the more beautiful when I've finally crafted myself a machine that can play all the games I enjoy flawlessly.

Some won't. It's more than understandable - it's just LOGICAL, that they would gravitate towards console gaming. Mind you, console gaming flings insults at people who have, say, picked the "wrong" console, so it's not to say that community is entirely doing itself a service in that regard. But console vs PC? Fuck. If you can't be bothered to understand why someone would pick one over the other, and vice versa, you're a fucking moron and you have no respect from me.

This is quite possibly one of the most awesome posts I have ever read on any gaming-related forum. +1 to you, and thank you.