Pep Talk
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Well he IS a virtual stranger who has taken it upon himself to stage a freakin' intervention (and one that can possibly end with him dropping her a couple of stories onto concrete if his arms get tired). That takes the mindset of thinking you know what's right for a stranger, and being so sure of it you'd put their life in peril.felbot said:
Taken from that perspective that guy is kinda a self righteous dick.
Im not sure, but I dont think "Kid Erin" is any better of influence on Erin than Kratos and the gang. But at the same time, Erin is being hung out a window by a guy she just met...felbot said:
...I think Erin my need some major proffesional help...
It's interesting that you'd bring it up, because (having massive struggles with depression throughout my family) I'm infuriated by the opposite extreme: the idea that depression is something that is entirely to be fixed medically.
Sometimes, when we struggle with this sort of illness/disorder, we allow ourselves to feel as though people who don't have the clinical diagnosis don't struggle. People with depression sometimes allow themselves to believe "normal people" are never really that depressed, or people battling anxiety let themselves think that "normal people" aren't battling anxiety.
This is not that we condemn "normal people." It's not about them at all. It's that we create this unattainable ideal for what it is to be normal. That if the medication is working, we shouldn't have to fight at all.
Problem is, everyone fights. Everyone is in a hole, and everyone has to struggle to climb out. Folks with clinical diagnoses are in a deeper hole, and the walls are too tall, slippery, spiky, or whatever to climb out unassisted. Medication provides that assistance... but it doesn't climb out for us. It just brings us up closer to the same depth everyone struggles with, and from there we still have to do battle like the rest of them.
In some ways, it's like the belief that some minorities have that life is completely rosy for white people, or white people believing minorities get everything handed to them. Because we can't genuinely experience the other side, it's easy to idealize their side in a way that absolves us of all responsibility.
So, yeah, there needs to be an understanding from others. They need to understand that it can range from being like "walking on a broken leg" to "having only one leg." You can't will that away. It requires medical intervention, whether temporary (cast), long-term (cane), or permanent (prosthetic). But there is also, for many, a point where we've received our assistance, still face opposition, and do have to be reminded that just because we move slower doesn't mean we're get carried (or get to stay put).
Sometimes, when we struggle with this sort of illness/disorder, we allow ourselves to feel as though people who don't have the clinical diagnosis don't struggle. People with depression sometimes allow themselves to believe "normal people" are never really that depressed, or people battling anxiety let themselves think that "normal people" aren't battling anxiety.
This is not that we condemn "normal people." It's not about them at all. It's that we create this unattainable ideal for what it is to be normal. That if the medication is working, we shouldn't have to fight at all.
Problem is, everyone fights. Everyone is in a hole, and everyone has to struggle to climb out. Folks with clinical diagnoses are in a deeper hole, and the walls are too tall, slippery, spiky, or whatever to climb out unassisted. Medication provides that assistance... but it doesn't climb out for us. It just brings us up closer to the same depth everyone struggles with, and from there we still have to do battle like the rest of them.
In some ways, it's like the belief that some minorities have that life is completely rosy for white people, or white people believing minorities get everything handed to them. Because we can't genuinely experience the other side, it's easy to idealize their side in a way that absolves us of all responsibility.
So, yeah, there needs to be an understanding from others. They need to understand that it can range from being like "walking on a broken leg" to "having only one leg." You can't will that away. It requires medical intervention, whether temporary (cast), long-term (cane), or permanent (prosthetic). But there is also, for many, a point where we've received our assistance, still face opposition, and do have to be reminded that just because we move slower doesn't mean we're get carried (or get to stay put).
Interesting development since that's the first time Erin mother had been mention. Wait is she going to revork against that guy especially when he is trying to help her despite using an unorthodox methods.
To qoute Jerome K. Jerome:
"In the present instance, going back to the liver-pill circular, I had the symptoms, beyond all mistake, the chief among them being ?a general disinclination to work of any kind.?
What I suffer in that way no tongue can tell. From my earliest infancy I have been a martyr to it. As a boy, the disease hardly ever left me for a day. They did not know, then, that it was my liver. Medical science was in a far less advanced state than now, and they used to put it down to laziness.
?Why, you skulking little devil, you,? they would say, ?get up and do something for your living, can?t you?? ? not knowing, of course, that I was ill."
I've met a lot of people, who had to just get over themselves and get on with their lives.
I am yet to meet a single person who has clinical depression to the point where he can't function normally without medication.
So I am comfortable with calling out people for being lazy asses, who just need to get over themselves.
Better to appologize to 1 person, who is really sick, than to miss calling out 10 douches, who just want a free ride on this society-bus, that I'm paying for.
"In the present instance, going back to the liver-pill circular, I had the symptoms, beyond all mistake, the chief among them being ?a general disinclination to work of any kind.?
What I suffer in that way no tongue can tell. From my earliest infancy I have been a martyr to it. As a boy, the disease hardly ever left me for a day. They did not know, then, that it was my liver. Medical science was in a far less advanced state than now, and they used to put it down to laziness.
?Why, you skulking little devil, you,? they would say, ?get up and do something for your living, can?t you?? ? not knowing, of course, that I was ill."
I've met a lot of people, who had to just get over themselves and get on with their lives.
I am yet to meet a single person who has clinical depression to the point where he can't function normally without medication.
So I am comfortable with calling out people for being lazy asses, who just need to get over themselves.
Better to appologize to 1 person, who is really sick, than to miss calling out 10 douches, who just want a free ride on this society-bus, that I'm paying for.
Haha I'm not sure who I should be going for when this show down starts. Erin was a total (but lovable) ***** for 90% of this arc and the guy had the patience of a saint to put up with it for that long, until he got upset and started dangling her out the window haha.
Now two characters that would be insufferable irl are going to battle it out, each thinking they are in the right. Total ***** verse righteous zealot! This should be funny.
Now two characters that would be insufferable irl are going to battle it out, each thinking they are in the right. Total ***** verse righteous zealot! This should be funny.
Well he did just get his ass kicked the night before trying to save her sorry ass so maybe he's just so pissed off that he's doing something stupid. Besides, I don't think kid Erin is a paragon of virtue, shes just thinking a little clearer than Erin right now. Also kid Erin doesn't appear to like boys in general.lord.jeff said:
kid Erin is a kid after all >.> so could just be thatSwyftstar said:
ether way o.0 how screwed up is Erin when her inner child has to beat some sense into her, ether way, like where this is going again
notta fan of asscreed, but this needs to happen XDTopazFusion said:
Just because you don't bone a barely-conscious woman doesn't mean you're a nice guy. It just means you're not a rapist. I would never take advantage of a drunk girl (unless we're both drunk, in which case she's taking as much advantage of me as I am of her), but that doesn't make me a nice guy. During a debate I can be quite a prick, like that time I bullied a grown man into admitting he doesn't understand simple math.felbot said:
But yes, in spite of the points I just made, I agree with you. This guy was established as a nice dude who only had the best of intentions towards Erin, and now they're ragging on him. I don't think that's right. Don't get the audience completely on his side and then out of nowhere tell us he's the enemy now. I hope that's not the author's long-term intent here.
It's not self gratification, because while the same person, they exist somewhat separately.Nikolaz72 said: