Philosophy

[Uzigawa]

i respectfully beg to differ in my opinion, for i see philosophy as more fluid and poetic, in a state of mind where anything can happen, where everything can be logically possible, that is pure poetry, food for my soul, i thrive on the idea that anything we dream, could be possible in the future,that's what keeps me from just ending it all every day, just knowing that someday, someone or something could come around and make me happy, through some form of chaos theory-esque series of events

Out of curiousity, and purely because I'm interested in seeing whether my guess is accurate, are you 13-17? I don't see age as an insult so please don't take it so as it honestly isn't my intention (though you're welcome to ask why).

In any case, that seems a rather dim resolve, may I ask what makes life so depressing for you? What drives me is the ability to think rationally and logically, I also have very high principles and seeing people abide by them on occasion is nice. Going to University its very irritating for me to see how... Discourteous and frustrating people can be.

In any case...

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=define%3Aphilosophy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&client=firefox-a

just on the edge mate, 17, 18 late this year, and the dim outlook is a combination,
1. i'm coping with my parents divorce, and yes i know, it's something i blow out of porportion,
2. the world we live in is fucked up(cliche i know)
3. pure old fashioned mental instabilities, suspected bipolar disorder from my mom's side

EDIT: oh, and the definition, i see a definition as a base to jump from when taking the meaning of a word to new heights in your personal view, every world to me can have a second meaning, some memory or hope, or thought attatched to it

Then this is no longer philosophy. This is much more a form of poetic expression of thought. Granted, philosophy is seen as taking a step back, and looking at thing from as outside a perspective as you can (and respecting that you can never truly have an absolute outside perspective), but the moment you add fantasy (and you have (see your initial post on love for the perfect example)) is becomes nothing more than a fancy form of expression.

Philosophy is logic, with all form of faith removed (or it is now religion no longer plays such a large part in politics), the moment you bring in your own feelings and intuition, you're fooling yourself.

well, it's not so much fantasy, if you know chaos theory, then you can understand, the idea that through logic anything could happen, its not so much seeing fiction, more as seeing all possibilities through an abstract view, that's as outside as you get

 

[Naheal]

"It is a greater victory to make your enemy see things your way than it is to defeat them." -Sun Tzu

 

[Uzigawa]

"It is a greater victory to make your enemy see things your way than it is to defeat them." -Sun Tzu

so either force views on them in argument or at gunpoint? well it at lest gets shit done

 

[Uzigawa]

jeez, like all the philosophical people got off at once

 

[Akirai]

Imagine my disappointment coming into this thread thinking it was going to be about philosophy, when it's really about failed submissions to the Hallmark Card Corporation and witty credos. Questioning truth without establishing a set definition for knowledge is sorta silly. I haven't really come across any definition of knowledge that I don't find troubling in some way.

Will you marry me?

 

[P.Tsunami]

Will you marry me?

Beat me to it. How are you on bigamy?

 

[Uzigawa]

oooo dibs on arranging the flowers at the wedding

 

[Uzigawa]

Spoiler: Snip

i respectfully beg to differ in my opinion, for i see philosophy as more fluid and poetic, in a state of mind where anything can happen, where everything can be logically possible, that is pure poetry, food for my soul, i thrive on the idea that anything we dream, could be possible in the future,that's what keeps me from just ending it all every day, just knowing that someday, someone or something could come around and make me happy, through some form of chaos theory-esque series of events

Out of curiousity, and purely because I'm interested in seeing whether my guess is accurate, are you 13-17? I don't see age as an insult so please don't take it so as it honestly isn't my intention (though you're welcome to ask why).

In any case, that seems a rather dim resolve, may I ask what makes life so depressing for you? What drives me is the ability to think rationally and logically, I also have very high principles and seeing people abide by them on occasion is nice. Going to University its very irritating for me to see how... Discourteous and frustrating people can be.

In any case...

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=define%3Aphilosophy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&client=firefox-a

just on the edge mate, 17, 18 late this year, and the dim outlook is a combination,
1. i'm coping with my parents divorce, and yes i know, it's something i blow out of porportion,
2. the world we live in is fucked up(cliche i know)
3. pure old fashioned mental instabilities, suspected bipolar disorder from my mom's side

EDIT: oh, and the definition, i see a definition as a base to jump from when taking the meaning of a word to new heights in your personal view, every world to me can have a second meaning, some memory or hope, or thought attatched to it

Then this is no longer philosophy. This is much more a form of poetic expression of thought. Granted, philosophy is seen as taking a step back, and looking at thing from as outside a perspective as you can (and respecting that you can never truly have an absolute outside perspective), but the moment you add fantasy (and you have (see your initial post on love for the perfect example)) is becomes nothing more than a fancy form of expression.

Philosophy is logic, with all form of faith removed (or it is now religion no longer plays such a large part in politics), the moment you bring in your own feelings and intuition, you're fooling yourself.

well, it's not so much fantasy, if you know chaos theory, then you can understand, the idea that through logic anything could happen, its not so much seeing fiction, more as seeing all possibilities through an abstract view, that's as outside as you get

The thing when applying chaos theory, not everything is possible, only the outcomes of all current variables present at this moment in time are. There are scientific methods to test if something is chaotic, however, the things you're talking about are based on subjective feelings and your intuition, therefore these things cannot be proven, or disproven, and while philosophical conclusions tend to unprovable, these conclusions are never considered completely true (unless the conclusion is reached by cold undeniable logic).

For example, take Descartes, he reached his conclusion that the only thing a person can truly know is that they themselves exist in some form, because they are consciously thinking at that moment (I think; I am). Now other than this, every other piece of knowledge we try to gain will be based on another piece of knowledge which may be untrue, so we can never be certain of our findings, and must accept room for error.

I'm a nihilist, I believe that since 'God doesn't exist', and we came about by evolution, then we have no point or purpose, and that value is a subjective huuhman concept

i hate to seem close minded, but in this one case i'd just like to live in my little everything's possible world

 

[zatzie zombie num666]

humen nature undermines enverthing humens have made do you not find this odd and just down right stupid?

 

[Kralika]

"That pacifier is the last best friend you'll ever have" - Patty and Selma

It's bleak!

I don't understand the "Perfect Batman" theory, though.

 

[Uzigawa]

"That pacifier is the last best friend you'll ever have" - Patty and Selma

It's bleak!

I don't understand the "Perfect Batman" theory, though.

no one does dude, no one does

 

[GLo Jones]

Right, done:

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i respectfully beg to differ in my opinion, for i see philosophy as more fluid and poetic, in a state of mind where anything can happen, where everything can be logically possible, that is pure poetry, food for my soul, i thrive on the idea that anything we dream, could be possible in the future,that's what keeps me from just ending it all every day, just knowing that someday, someone or something could come around and make me happy, through some form of chaos theory-esque series of events

Out of curiousity, and purely because I'm interested in seeing whether my guess is accurate, are you 13-17? I don't see age as an insult so please don't take it so as it honestly isn't my intention (though you're welcome to ask why).

In any case, that seems a rather dim resolve, may I ask what makes life so depressing for you? What drives me is the ability to think rationally and logically, I also have very high principles and seeing people abide by them on occasion is nice. Going to University its very irritating for me to see how... Discourteous and frustrating people can be.

In any case...

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=define%3Aphilosophy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&client=firefox-a

just on the edge mate, 17, 18 late this year, and the dim outlook is a combination,
1. i'm coping with my parents divorce, and yes i know, it's something i blow out of porportion,
2. the world we live in is fucked up(cliche i know)
3. pure old fashioned mental instabilities, suspected bipolar disorder from my mom's side

EDIT: oh, and the definition, i see a definition as a base to jump from when taking the meaning of a word to new heights in your personal view, every world to me can have a second meaning, some memory or hope, or thought attatched to it

Then this is no longer philosophy. This is much more a form of poetic expression of thought. Granted, philosophy is seen as taking a step back, and looking at thing from as outside a perspective as you can (and respecting that you can never truly have an absolute outside perspective), but the moment you add fantasy (and you have (see your initial post on love for the perfect example)) is becomes nothing more than a fancy form of expression.

Philosophy is logic, with all form of faith removed (or it is now religion no longer plays such a large part in politics), the moment you bring in your own feelings and intuition, you're fooling yourself.

well, it's not so much fantasy, if you know chaos theory, then you can understand, the idea that through logic anything could happen, its not so much seeing fiction, more as seeing all possibilities through an abstract view, that's as outside as you get

The thing when applying chaos theory, not everything is possible, only the outcomes of all current variables present at this moment in time are. There are scientific methods to test if something is chaotic, however, the things you're talking about are based on subjective feelings and your intuition, therefore these things cannot be proven, or disproven, and while philosophical conclusions tend to unprovable, these conclusions are never considered completely true (unless the conclusion is reached by cold undeniable logic).

For example, take Descartes, he reached his conclusion that the only thing a person can truly know is that they themselves exist in some form, because they are consciously thinking at that moment (I think; I am). Now other than this, every other piece of knowledge we try to gain will be based on another piece of knowledge which may be untrue, so we can never be certain of our findings, and must accept room for error.

I'm a nihilist, I believe that since 'God doesn't exist', and we came about by evolution, then we have no point or purpose, and that 'value' is a subjective human concept. Nothing we ever do or achieve will ever have any point or worth, and our continued exist is meaningless. We could die out in a massive war, and nothing would be lost.

Now, my theory as far as I can tell (it would take much longer to explain how my reasoning got me to that conclusion, but you can easily get there) is based off pure logic, there is no use of my feelings or intuition in the the transition between premise and conclusion.

The one thing I DO accept, is that I could be very wrong, in that my entire thought process is based on potentially untrue premise.
'God doesn't exist': could very easily be wrong, it's effectively 50/50.
we came about by evolution: is based on non-existing God, but is equally vital to my theory, could just as easily be very wrong, since it is not something we can know for certain (thanks Descartes).

If either of these things is wrong, then my theory is instantly rendered invalid, and I accept that. I never say that it is true, I merely state it as my belief, as I cannot believe in God, and it is the most logical theory I can find.

This is philosophy. At no point do you bring intuition or subjectivity into the equation, and any involved in the starting premise is clearly explained and accepted as the un-disprovable counter-argument.

Merely looking deeper into something than most is not philosophy, nor is fanciful expression of feelings.

 

[Dastardly]

He who has imagination, but no learning, has wings, but no feet.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

When I first clicked the link I thought it was going to be a proper debate into some field of philosophy ... woe is me ...

But that being said this guy is awesome... so catchy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzpL_5CI0WQ

 

[Uzigawa]

He who has imagination, but no learning, has wings, but no feet.

so, it'd be like...a bird with no feet? that wouldn't be that bad

 

[Naheal]

"It is a greater victory to make your enemy see things your way than it is to defeat them." -Sun Tzu

so either force views on them in argument or at gunpoint? well it at lest gets shit done

Close, but no. The philosophy simply means that conflict, while unavoidable at times, can simply be prevented by having your enemy see the issue from your point of view. Both parties can resolve the fight before it becomes a fight.

 

[thisguywithhair]

A friend once told me that "the truth shall set you free."

No it wont, the truth is rigid and unchanging. 2+2=4, there is no changing the truth of that equation.

Lies on the other hand are fluid, changing (potentially) from one situation to the next, and able to adapt to any and all situations.

 

[RYjet911]

Philosophy kind of annoys me...

Especially when people call random, single line quotes philosophy. Some bloke a while back said something and a hundred years later it's suddenly profound and meaningful. They probably didn't even say it, it's just a well known intelligent face (i.e. all the Albert Einstein posters with the quotes on and stuff like that) for a somewhat intelligent sentence.

Then there's the more 'proper' form of philosophy, but even that is mostly just questioning why to everything, assuming everything has this 'why?' answer. I don't get how you have great philosophers of the past. They were usually old, non-working bums who didn't do anything aside from sit around thinking about stuff. They were like the anarchist students of today.

How about learning HOW the world works instead of why. How is easier to figure out, because there is a very defined and specific explanation for how things work where as there's very rarely a why things work, they just do. Plus, you get the added bonus of being able to apply how something works to other stuff, and can become a great scientist or engineer or something. Then you can make all these 'philosophical' quotes and get on a poster!

you realize you just compared great minds of the past to some kids hanging in a circle, the majority of these philosophers where people who's lives were lived, they were at the end, they'd experienced and learned more than another could in 2 life times, they questioned what they thought needed questioning, to fight until their belief was respected, these men had more wisdom in (i know it's cliche) their little fingers than these "anarchist kids" have in their whole bodies, oh and the little quotes, you're not supposed to read the line, you think about it, think what it means to you it's a game of self-exploration and discovering more about the world behind you, i'm not saying i'm experienced at all, i just hate when people can't look into something deeper than the words on the computer.

I disagree for the same reason I disagree that 'Modern Art' is actually art. Meaning should be subtle, but in the end obvious, not perceived, as this allows people like me to perceive the pointlessness of the multitude of meanings people can pull out of it. This provokes unnecessary arguement. Look at the Bible. Most of the writers of it were probably fairly profound men, yet I wouldn't trust any of them because they're telling me to perceive something different than is actually written on the page.

 

[darkknight9]

"Educate men without Faith and you make them but clever devils"

Don't keep saying your sorry over and over again. Do what needs to be done to fix and/or remedy the situation, then make damn well sure it never happens again.

Enjoy the basics in everything. Seek to revel in the green of grass,
beam in the blue of the sky, and rejoice when you get a piece of...

 

[thingymuwatsit]

we cannot truly lie without declaring impartial truths.