'Pick-up artist' banned from the UK

[The Almighty Aardvark]

Now you're just arguing themantics.
The point of a 'legit pick up artist' is merely to teach men how to make women want to sleep with them.

Depending n how you interpret this, therein lies the problem. Being a pick up artist is about making women want to sleep with you. It's firmly based on the notion of "Well this woman doesn't want to sleep with me, what combination of words and actions will change that?". When somebody says no, or is not interested you should back off.

It should be a hell of a lot more about finding someone who'd like to sleep with you than trying to convince those that don't that they do.

That being said, I think there's nothing wrong with the idea of making yourself more attractive to the other gender. It's something that women are pretty much expected to do as it is, and while I'd rather the expectation be removed, more men doing it because they want to be more attractive is totally fine

 

[Ryan Hughes]

The guy touches and kisses women without having any reason to believe they want him to.

Okay, but, has anyone filed anything against him for doing this?

Yes, but that is not the whole point. He is speaking of his trip to Tokyo, where he discovered he could force women's heads into his crotch as they passes by on the street, and they would not try to stop him. This is something he was indeed bragging about in one of his lectures. This is also rather racist, as we expresses this as a white privilege. This is not a free speech issue, this is a man promoting and practicing felony sexual assault, and attempting to get away with it.

 

[V4Viewtiful]

So, disregarding this guys disgusting behaviour, what do you guys think of the idea of a legitimate pick up artist?
Someone who simply teaches us men how to become more attractive to women, in order to have consensual sex.
No con games,harassment, minimum amount of drugs. He just teaches us what is and isn't attractive .

I'd probably be ok with it if he wasn't encouraging sleazy behavior. Fortunatly I have the perfect person in mind.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/1baf054a7ddb9ae490d383df3b1f2a80/tumblr_myyhxnU6Wp1rkpfcgo4_250.gif

http://38.media.tumblr.com/cba9b7d1f5cb4c314990a6bc16a3fb2c/tumblr_myyhxnU6Wp1rkpfcgo3_250.gif

The world would be a far better and more interesting place if we could only learn from Gomez Addams the secrets of human happiness and how to treat your fellow man.

with the odd sword fight from time to time.

So, disregarding this guys disgusting behaviour, what do you guys think of the idea of a legitimate pick up artist?
Someone who simply teaches us men how to become more attractive to women, in order to have consensual sex.
No con games,harassment, minimum amount of drugs. He just teaches us what is and isn't attractive .

Perfectly fine. Hell, probably a credit to the community if it's legitimate. A lot of people just don't even know where to start with romance, and having someone to guide you is a perfectly valid service, even if it is just looking for one-night-stands at the bar. Just don't advocate abuse.

It does kind depress me that this sort of thing is necessary though. People shouldn't need a seminar to get laid, it shouldn't be that hard, and it probably wouldn't be if our society wasn't so insecure about sex.

Not just that, standards are all over the place, you get women that want prince charming yet seem to only mess with scummy men and you have Men that want a woman for all the wrong reasons.
And apparently fewer people (young) are getting married in England.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

 

[BreakfastMan]

So, disregarding this guys disgusting behaviour, what do you guys think of the idea of a legitimate pick up artist?
Someone who simply teaches us men how to become more attractive to women, in order to have consensual sex.
No con games,harassment, minimum amount of drugs. He just teaches us what is and isn't attractive .

There are great people like that who already exist on the internet. Dr. Nerdlove, for example. There are just way too many like this guy, or RooshV (admitted rapist scumbag that he is).

 

[Erttheking]

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Those people would probably eat up his techniques anyway.

 

[Mrkillhappy]

I feel that if he were to suddenly disappear from the world then the world would suddenly be slightly less shitty. I seriously hope that the next woman he tries his "technique" on beats him the fuck up. Some people do need some help with self confidence & other ways of attracting others for dating purposes I get that but those people need to get advice from not manipulative assholes. I do think that their is a possibility for some one to be a dating coach & not be a scumbag but as it stands 99% of them are which really hurts those who do have bad socialization issues and are seeking advice because they may (but I really hope they don't) buy into this kind of shit sadly which is only a bad thing all around.

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

I would have to say that the only people that would believe that claim are MRAs who already think that it happens.

 

[Something Amyss]

I would have to say that the only people that would believe that claim are MRAs who already think that it happens.

I'm pretty sure that's his audience, so....

 

[Ihateregistering1]

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.

 

[Maze1125]

From what i'm hearing in this thread, isn't that basically the gist of it? That, in the UK, you can basically deny anyone access on any wild accusation? I could be wrong, that's just what i'm getting from the thread. Of course I'd give a lot of credence to those allegations against this guy, because they hardly seem wild, but i'm a firm believer in "innocent until proven guilty", even for shitheads.

It's not a matter of "innocent until proven guilty". He wasn't in a court of law, he was requesting entry into a country, and any country has the right to deny entry to a non-citizen for any reason they choose.

 

[NiPah]

Damn, I wish this guy would have done society a favor and just fucked himself instead of manipulating others in his compulsion to have sex.
I know sex feels good and all, but buy a damn box of tissues and you can skip over the whole screwing with other people to get your jollies.
Should the guy be banned? He's pretty much teaching other people who to psychologically abuse others for self gratification, the only reason it's not illegal is due to our lack of understanding of psychology and the fact that most laws were created before the study of psychology was formed.
So yeah, fuck him, it just sucks that he has to come back to the US.

Ironically enough the Escapist is currently running ads for The Girlfriend activation system:

Spoiler

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It got a little cut off, but the "This Weird "Method" Will Make Her Your Girlfriend" links to a site talking about how to take advantage of women.
I know the shit ads put money on the table, but this is low.

 

[Something Amyss]

You're surprised it took all of 2 posts for someone to come to his defense, and all of 4 posts to get 2 people defending him?

In my defense, I have Carnex on ignore. I didn't even notice he had posted. I was surprised it took to the fourth response, honestly, but since there was already one, I guess I have to revise my shock.

I'm not even surprised that these people who defend him do so on the premise that he hasn't been convicted yet despite having it explained to them that his entire seminar is based upon how to get away with committing sexual assault. Nor am I surprised by the fact that they further excuse his behavior and defend his right to not only carry out these acts, but teach others how to do so as well, by blaming the victims for letting him/them get away with it despite him specifically targeting and teaching others how to identify and target women that are most likely to be able to be intimidated into not reporting them.

Honestly, I actually had higher expectations for the guy who started in on that argument, which isn't to say I particularly had high expectations.

From what i'm hearing in this thread, isn't that basically the gist of it?

Or, you know, you could actually do research on the subject. From what I can tell, that's not "the gist of it."

Would you be defending this guy if he was bragging about his technique to get away with murder, or does it only count when you instruct people on how to get away with sexual assault?

 

[Something Amyss]

Ironically enough the Escapist is currently running ads for The Girlfriend activation system:

I googled this and "my eyes, my eyes," so I don't know. Does the "Girlfriend Activation System" involve telling people that they can get away with groping women in certain parts of Japan because not only won't the women say anything, neither will the men or the police?

Because there's scum, and there's instructing people on how to get away with assault.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.

Short speech from Blanc about how he ran around, jamming girl's faces into his dick in Japan. The video ends with video of him doing it to Japanese girls who are smiling, but quite obviously out of nervousness, as they try to resist his cock homing hand.

It's not much, but it's mostly because most videos of the stuff have been taking down. You'd be surprised at how many videos have been deleted from online news sources. Wonder why.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.

Short speech from Blanc about how he ran around, jamming girl's faces into his dick in Japan. The video ends with video of him doing it to Japanese girls who are smiling, but quite obviously out of nervousness, as they try to resist his cock homing hand.

It's not much, but it's mostly because most videos of the stuff have been taking down. You'd be surprised at how many videos have been deleted from online news sources. Wonder why.

Legally speaking, that's not sexual assault. Creepy and fucked up and highly face-punchable? Definitely, but not technically sexual assault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault

I think the guy is a grade A asshole and a country has the right to deny a Visa to anyone, I just think it needs to be careful of going down the road of "well we don't have evidence that you actually committed a crime, but we think what you're saying might lead to a crime, even though there isn't any evidence of that either, so you're not allowed in." Continuing on that path, they could theoretically deny entry to anyone who espoused homophobic views, even on religious grounds, under the basis that it 'encourages homophobic violence'.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler: Snip

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.

Short speech from Blanc about how he ran around, jamming girl's faces into his dick in Japan. The video ends with video of him doing it to Japanese girls who are smiling, but quite obviously out of nervousness, as they try to resist his cock homing hand.

It's not much, but it's mostly because most videos of the stuff have been taking down. You'd be surprised at how many videos have been deleted from online news sources. Wonder why.

Legally speaking, that's not sexual assault. Creepy and fucked up and highly face-punchable? Definitely, but not technically sexual assault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault

I think the guy is a grade A asshole and a country has the right to deny a Visa to anyone, I just think it needs to be careful of going down the road of "well we don't have evidence that you actually committed a crime, but we think what you're saying might lead to a crime, even though there isn't any evidence of that either, so you're not allowed in." Continuing on that path, they could theoretically deny entry to anyone who espoused homophobic views, even on religious grounds, under the basis that it 'encourages homophobic violence'.

Sexual assault, a form of sexual violence, is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any non-consensual sexual touching of a person.

Ok, cool. Guess I'm free to grab random women's hands and force them to touch my groin.

The Penal Code also criminalizes ?Forcible Indecency?. Article 176 of the Penal Code provides that ?[a] person who, through assault or intimidation, forcibly commits an indecent act upon a male or female of not less than thirteen years of age shall be punished by imprisonment with work for not less than 6 months but not more than 10 years. The same shall apply to a person who commits an indecent act upon a male or female under thirteen years of age.?

EDIT: That was needlessly snarky. Completely uncalled for.

Think I'll ditch this thread until tomorrow, after some good sleep.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Oh wow, this guy is really as bad as he seems. No wonder the UK rejected his Visa request. It might be bad precedent but the guy isn't exactly an angel either and I would rather not have him set foot anywhere near me. It also doesn't help that ,as an anime fan, his stance on Japanese women while somewhat and unfortunately true is degrading and ignorant of a larger picture of gender interaction in Japan

Now that the logical side is out of the way, time for my emotional reaction and I will probably get a warning for it.

THIS GUY DESERVES TO BE CHAINED UP BY HIS TOES, COVERED IN MEAT SAUSE AND THEN EATED BY 10 HUNGRY TASMANIAN DEVILS WHILE HAVING A PAIN AMPLIFYING DRUG INJECTED IN HIM AND FORCED THROUGH A REGIMENT OF SHOWING HIM PORN AND HITTING HIM IN THE BALLS WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER EVERY TIME HE GETS AN ERECTION.

OR BETTER YET

HE IS TRASH, HE IS GARBAGE, HE IS UTTER SCUM/

 

[DementedSheep]

As little sympathy as I have for those who let guys treat them like this in the first place they are within their right to deny this piece of shit entry. Sure people get in with worse but that's usually because they don't know about it or they are rich and/or famous enough that they want them there for other reasons. If that is your argument then you should have problem with the people who did worse getting in not this guy being kept out. The immigration laws basically have it so they can bar you for whatever they want. You don't have to actually be charged with anything. They just have decide you're a detriment to "public good". Considering he films himself grabbing women and shoving them into his crotch (which is sexual assault and illegal) it's not like they have no evidence. You don't have a particularly high chances of getting in with a swastika tattooed on your forehead either. If you were born there they have to deal with you and can't do shit unless you do something illegal and get charged in a court of law. If you weren't being allowed into the country is a privilege not an automatic right.

Captcha: grand slam

Captcha, that is just gross.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.

Short speech from Blanc about how he ran around, jamming girl's faces into his dick in Japan. The video ends with video of him doing it to Japanese girls who are smiling, but quite obviously out of nervousness, as they try to resist his cock homing hand.

It's not much, but it's mostly because most videos of the stuff have been taking down. You'd be surprised at how many videos have been deleted from online news sources. Wonder why.

Legally speaking, that's not sexual assault. Creepy and fucked up and highly face-punchable? Definitely, but not technically sexual assault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault

I think the guy is a grade A asshole and a country has the right to deny a Visa to anyone, I just think it needs to be careful of going down the road of "well we don't have evidence that you actually committed a crime, but we think what you're saying might lead to a crime, even though there isn't any evidence of that either, so you're not allowed in." Continuing on that path, they could theoretically deny entry to anyone who espoused homophobic views, even on religious grounds, under the basis that it 'encourages homophobic violence'.

Actually, it is sexual assault by the medical definition, however, laws of various nations vary as tio which sexual assaults can be prosecuted.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sexual+Contact
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+assault

Medically it is considered sexual assault without a doubt, this is not a gray area. It is still sexual assault regardless of if all nations prosecute all forms of sexual assault. This is the medical definition of sexual assault used globally.

Yes, this IS ILLEGAL IN THE US and prosecuted as sexual assault in the US, you are mistaken.

Sexual contact.? The term ?sexual contact? means?
(A) touching, or causing another person to touch, either directly or through the clothing, the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person, with an intent to abuse, humiliate, or degrade any person; or
(B) any touching, or causing another person to touch, either directly or through the clothing, any body part of any person, if done with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person.
Touching may be accomplished by any part of the body.
http://www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/920

c) Aggravated Sexual Contact.? Any person subject to this chapter who commits or causes sexual contact upon or by another person, if to do so would violate subsection (a) (rape) had the sexual contact been a sexual act, is guilty of aggravated sexual contact and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
(d) Abusive Sexual Contact.? Any person subject to this chapter who commits or causes sexual contact upon or by another person, if to do so would violate subsection (b) (sexual assault) had the sexual contact been a sexual act, is guilty of abusive sexual contact and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

THIS IS SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SHOULD BE MADE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT LEGAL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM

ALSO: Wiki is not an accurate source.

 

[cleric of the order]

CAPTCHA: "i know nothing!" - Well f*** you to you too.

Get a load of this guy, the captcha is trying to tell you something man.

Encourages kissing and touching without consent? Well fuck this guy. Good on the UK

uh, man I just dude what?
From what I'm seeing that's like the least evil thing that guy does.

Not sure if they should have turned him away but Britain has every right to

He seems like a bit of an unsavoury sort. I can't say I'd care to be in the vicinity of him, but, banning him from the country?

No, that's absolutely ridiculous.

Remarkably despite what some people seem to think, women are capable of opinions and thoughts of their own, and unless something non-consensual has happened, I'm not seeing the issue here.

I agree thoroughly, I have no care for the guy or the batch of half formed impotent sociopaths he will try and mold, but his tactics are obvious and are more likely to get people into shit then anything else.
A dangerous fellow but I think He's trying to stir things up, no sane human being would say or act that sort of way if he wasn't trying to piss people off and gain coverage.

on a side note I have to ask what's the Uk's policy on the matter, did they technically break or foul the law to get that bugger out.