Piracy Critic Admits to Huge Pirated Music Collection

[AceAngel]

Hmmm, this raises an interesting point.

One of the most vocal people about piracy is a heavy buccaneer herself. Doe this mean ALL those people who claim Piracy is killing the game industry are high ranking whippers themselves? For example, Valve and Blizzard both claim the industry is healthy, yet almost every other company bitches and moans to no end.

If so, my respect for those two just flew to the ozone layer.

 

[Redd the Sock]

Well, to be fair to the woman, most of us are hypocrits from time to time. From driving, to work ethic, to courtasy, to just about all aspects of politics, most of us hold others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves, if not completely rationalize that the rules we preach don't hold for us.

 

[timeadept]

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Sorry but no one is above the law, especially not the law of hypocrisy (hyperbole). I love some of my family but I'd have no qualms about throwing them under the bus if they did something stupidly hypocritical or illegal. Are you going to tell me I'm lacking in morals for doing the right thing?

No I'm saying you lack respect and you clearly don't deserve the family you have been given if you have no qualms about throwing your family under a bus.

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Her credibility was shot the moment she admitted about the knock-off handbags and lied about "Losing a million kroner". Her son just pointed out that mommy shouldn't lie. Besides, I hardly think her career is damaged, she writes childrens books; kids don't pay attention to this crap.

Good on her son, he held his mother to the same morals that she probably held him to.

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

Again all your showing me if you lack any respect for your parents which is incredibly wrong.

You're assuming based on a parent being a parent that they ever gave you respect at all. Which all parents don't. Lacking respect is only bad if they deserved respect. As for the bus, well, if their moral or illegal mistake could cost me my reputation or my freedom, why should I not throw them under it? I'm not going to have my character assassinated all because of some "respect" that I apparently owe them which prevented me from going to the authorities.

your parents obviously respected you enough to feed you
respect is not thinking someone is always right or better than you in every way, respect is acknowlegding and enjoying someone's existence.
you seem to think parents don't respect their kids because they punish/control them, but unless they sell you to a sweatshop they obviously have your overall best interests in mind, whether short or long term

I would just like to point out, that in this situation, after the kid called his mom out for pirating music, she shifted (or tried to)all the blame over to him. Even if he did wrong her first it's her JOB as a parent to be the bigger person.

 

[VampiresDontSparkle]

I think the son is a disloyal moron. What kind of a person is he, anyway, to damage his mother's reputation with such (apparent) disregard?

As for the mother, well, she's an idiot.

 

[timeadept]

Hm, on the one hand, I'm not surprised, as naturally the only kind of piracy people are most likely to feel really bad about is one that affects them or someone they know. She's committed the usual faux pas of taking too strong a stance on something that she actually has a mixed relationship with. Politicians do this all the time.

On the other hand, I think she's perfectly justified in dropping her son in it - after all, he dropped her in it first. I'm sorry, but if you behave in that way toward your mother, she can turn right around and do the same thing to you. He's not 3 years old and can't pull the 'out of the mouths of babes' excuse. He knew what his words would do. Regardless of the circumstances, mothers are not doormats, and kids who deliberately do things to damage their parents should not be immune from some sort of retribution. It's not like he blew the whistle on her secret kidnapping and torture of Jewish children or something. He just decided to shit-stir.

Yeah he deserves punishment, but he doesn't deserve to take responsibility for something he didn't actually do. His mom should make his life shit for a few months, but she's doing the wrong thing by trying to dodge responsibility for her actions, again(referring to her saying brand name bags were too expensive anyways), especially by shifting the responsibility onto her son.

 

[Eri]

I think the son is a disloyal moron. What kind of a person is he, anyway, to damage his mother's reputation with such (apparent) disregard?

A moral non hypocritical one?

 

[VampiresDontSparkle]

I think the son is a disloyal moron. What kind of a person is he, anyway, to damage his mother's reputation with such (apparent) disregard?

A moral non hypocritical one?

It's not moral to out your mother's pirated song collection in the media. If it was, wouldn't we all be doing it? I know a lot of people, some in my family, who have downloaded illegally -- I may not agree with it personally, but I would never go and tell the media/authorities about it, especially if I knew it would damage their reputation to the extent it did in this case. I'm sure this is also true for you. After all, it's not as if the mother was kidnapping people, or committing murder -- song pirating has become very commonplace (for better or worse) and is an offense that can be dealt with without causing such bad social repercussions.

After all, the hypocrisy of the mother's arguments could have been dealt with at home, if the son was that upset over it.

 

[Corporal Yakob]

"But mom you have 1800 pirated songs and-"
"HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT WHAT A BIG PIRATING DOUCHE MY SON IS!"

 

[WolfEdge]

*ahem*

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!

 

[Danpascooch]

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Sorry but no one is above the law, especially not the law of hypocrisy (hyperbole). I love some of my family but I'd have no qualms about throwing them under the bus if they did something stupidly hypocritical or illegal. Are you going to tell me I'm lacking in morals for doing the right thing?

No I'm saying you lack respect and you clearly don't deserve the family you have been given if you have no qualms about throwing your family under a bus.

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Her credibility was shot the moment she admitted about the knock-off handbags and lied about "Losing a million kroner". Her son just pointed out that mommy shouldn't lie. Besides, I hardly think her career is damaged, she writes childrens books; kids don't pay attention to this crap.

Good on her son, he held his mother to the same morals that she probably held him to.

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

Again all your showing me if you lack any respect for your parents which is incredibly wrong.

You've got to be kidding.

It's not about respect, it's about doing the right thing, you can still respect someone and do the right thing when they do something wrong, respect does not mean blindness to wrongdoing.

Let's say your mother wanted you to help her kill a man and hide the body, would you be wrong to go to the police? Would you be wrong if you simply refused!?

Frankly, your argument is not only insane, it's dangerous, and following it can lead to criminal charges in many cases.

You have absolutely no right to tell people they don't deserve their families, it's sick, arrogant, and stupid.

 

[Danpascooch]

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Sorry but no one is above the law, especially not the law of hypocrisy (hyperbole). I love some of my family but I'd have no qualms about throwing them under the bus if they did something stupidly hypocritical or illegal. Are you going to tell me I'm lacking in morals for doing the right thing?

No I'm saying you lack respect and you clearly don't deserve the family you have been given if you have no qualms about throwing your family under a bus.

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Her credibility was shot the moment she admitted about the knock-off handbags and lied about "Losing a million kroner". Her son just pointed out that mommy shouldn't lie. Besides, I hardly think her career is damaged, she writes childrens books; kids don't pay attention to this crap.

Good on her son, he held his mother to the same morals that she probably held him to.

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

Again all your showing me if you lack any respect for your parents which is incredibly wrong.

You're assuming based on a parent being a parent that they ever gave you respect at all. Which all parents don't. Lacking respect is only bad if they deserved respect. As for the bus, well, if their moral or illegal mistake could cost me my reputation or my freedom, why should I not throw them under it? I'm not going to have my character assassinated all because of some "respect" that I apparently owe them which prevented me from going to the authorities.

Haha "Character Assassinated" do you actually listen to yourself talk?

I mean really, you are clearly like a typical angsty teenager. Soon you'll grow up and realise all what your parents have done for you, or maybe you never will and you'll live a failure of a life and blame it all on your parents or someone else.

Do you listen to -yourself-? I'm the one siding on the Just side of the law and morals and you're calling me an angsty teen? Maybe you'll realize that just because people had children, doesn't mean they deserve respect. All they've done for me? Please don't say things like you -know- I had an easy life.

Don't bother, the guy obviously has some sort of unhealthy view/relationship with his parents. Equating respect to covering up illegal activity is dangerous and insane.

Respect does have to be earned, but unfortunately that line is used too often as an excuse for ungrateful punks to say they don't owe anything to their parents, which overwhelmingly more often then not they do.

I disagree with you that you don't owe anything to your parents, and that it's their job to do everything they do. But I believe the most anyone owes them is their eternal appreciation as long as they took reasonably good care of them. It doesn't mean you should be their slaves, and it sure as hell doesn't mean you should cover up crimes they commit.

Of course, I don't know you, I have no idea who you are or what your family is like, this is just my two-cents on what applies to probably 90% of us.

 

[Danpascooch]

I think the son is a disloyal moron. What kind of a person is he, anyway, to damage his mother's reputation with such (apparent) disregard?

A moral non hypocritical one?

It's not moral to out your mother's pirated song collection in the media. If it was, wouldn't we all be doing it? I know a lot of people, some in my family, who have downloaded illegally -- I may not agree with it personally, but I would never go and tell the media/authorities about it, especially if I knew it would damage their reputation to the extent it did in this case. I'm sure this is also true for you. After all, it's not as if the mother was kidnapping people, or committing murder -- song pirating has become very commonplace (for better or worse) and is an offense that can be dealt with without causing such bad social repercussions.

After all, the hypocrisy of the mother's arguments could have been dealt with at home, if the son was that upset over it.

As far as I'm concerned it's probably wrong to expose it if she never talked about piracy, but after going on and on and on about how horrible it was, I have no doubt he was justified.

 

[Danpascooch]

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Sorry but no one is above the law, especially not the law of hypocrisy (hyperbole). I love some of my family but I'd have no qualms about throwing them under the bus if they did something stupidly hypocritical or illegal. Are you going to tell me I'm lacking in morals for doing the right thing?

No I'm saying you lack respect and you clearly don't deserve the family you have been given if you have no qualms about throwing your family under a bus.

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Her credibility was shot the moment she admitted about the knock-off handbags and lied about "Losing a million kroner". Her son just pointed out that mommy shouldn't lie. Besides, I hardly think her career is damaged, she writes childrens books; kids don't pay attention to this crap.

Good on her son, he held his mother to the same morals that she probably held him to.

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

Again all your showing me if you lack any respect for your parents which is incredibly wrong.

You're assuming based on a parent being a parent that they ever gave you respect at all. Which all parents don't. Lacking respect is only bad if they deserved respect. As for the bus, well, if their moral or illegal mistake could cost me my reputation or my freedom, why should I not throw them under it? I'm not going to have my character assassinated all because of some "respect" that I apparently owe them which prevented me from going to the authorities.

Haha "Character Assassinated" do you actually listen to yourself talk?

I mean really, you are clearly like a typical angsty teenager. Soon you'll grow up and realise all what your parents have done for you, or maybe you never will and you'll live a failure of a life and blame it all on your parents or someone else.

Gotta go with Pay on this one, if you disagree with something a loved one is doing, do so more tactfully. Don't humiliate your own mum in the media. I mean if they were being interviewed together their relationship probably isn't that strained, if she's a bad mum and lost the respect of her son somehow fair enough (but we've got no indication of anything like that). To throw your mum under the bus for something so petty is poor form.

EDIT: I mean I don't know about the rest of you but my mum was there to help me deal with and clean up a fair few of my own messes and I'd do the same for her.

You realize we have absolutely no idea how/if he confronted her about this in the past, right?

 

[znix]

And this lady has to pay 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS for downloading 24 songs. Now do the math for 1800 songs and I think her petty book piracy worries are but faint dreams.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-11-million-dollar-verdict-music-piracy-case.html

 

[znix]

doublepost... argh

 

[reg42]

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Her credibility was shot the moment she admitted about the knock-off handbags and lied about "Losing a million kroner". Her son just pointed out that mommy shouldn't lie. Besides, I hardly think her career is damaged, she writes childrens books; kids don't pay attention to this crap.

Good on her son, he held his mother to the same morals that she probably held him to.

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

I literally stared at this comment for 2 minutes trying to understand it. You know they could've given you up for fucking adoption right?

 

[Shadesong]

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Sorry but no one is above the law, especially not the law of hypocrisy (hyperbole). I love some of my family but I'd have no qualms about throwing them under the bus if they did something stupidly hypocritical or illegal. Are you going to tell me I'm lacking in morals for doing the right thing?

No I'm saying you lack respect and you clearly don't deserve the family you have been given if you have no qualms about throwing your family under a bus.

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Her credibility was shot the moment she admitted about the knock-off handbags and lied about "Losing a million kroner". Her son just pointed out that mommy shouldn't lie. Besides, I hardly think her career is damaged, she writes childrens books; kids don't pay attention to this crap.

Good on her son, he held his mother to the same morals that she probably held him to.

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

Again all your showing me if you lack any respect for your parents which is incredibly wrong.

You've got to be kidding.

It's not about respect, it's about doing the right thing, you can still respect someone and do the right thing when they do something wrong, respect does not mean blindness to wrongdoing.

Let's say your mother wanted you to help her kill a man and hide the body, would you be wrong to go to the police? Would you be wrong if you simply refused!?

Frankly, your argument is not only insane, it's dangerous, and following it can lead to criminal charges in many cases.

You have absolutely no right to tell people they don't deserve their families, it's sick, arrogant, and stupid.

You. I need to buy you a drink.

 

[Nikolaz72]

Do you hate piracy?
*links to video that has a song in it, that is being sold*
You're now a hypocrite.

I believe if the guy hosting the video hosts it on a website it goes by the same rule as others listening in while you play music in your house as it is in a "Private space" you are technically in your room and he is technically playing the music from his computer/web while you listen to it. Though if you linked to a copyrighted musicvideo that you are sure the guy hosting does not in fact own and you/others watch it, your statement is correct.

 

[Dogstile]

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Sorry but no one is above the law, especially not the law of hypocrisy (hyperbole). I love some of my family but I'd have no qualms about throwing them under the bus if they did something stupidly hypocritical or illegal. Are you going to tell me I'm lacking in morals for doing the right thing?

No I'm saying you lack respect and you clearly don't deserve the family you have been given if you have no qualms about throwing your family under a bus.

Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little ****.

Her credibility was shot the moment she admitted about the knock-off handbags and lied about "Losing a million kroner". Her son just pointed out that mommy shouldn't lie. Besides, I hardly think her career is damaged, she writes childrens books; kids don't pay attention to this crap.

Good on her son, he held his mother to the same morals that she probably held him to.

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

Again all your showing me if you lack any respect for your parents which is incredibly wrong.

You're assuming based on a parent being a parent that they ever gave you respect at all. Which all parents don't. Lacking respect is only bad if they deserved respect. As for the bus, well, if their moral or illegal mistake could cost me my reputation or my freedom, why should I not throw them under it? I'm not going to have my character assassinated all because of some "respect" that I apparently owe them which prevented me from going to the authorities.

Haha "Character Assassinated" do you actually listen to yourself talk?

I mean really, you are clearly like a typical angsty teenager. Soon you'll grow up and realise all what your parents have done for you, or maybe you never will and you'll live a failure of a life and blame it all on your parents or someone else.

Do you listen to -yourself-? I'm the one siding on the Just side of the law and morals and you're calling me an angsty teen? Maybe you'll realize that just because people had children, doesn't mean they deserve respect. All they've done for me? Please don't say things like you -know- I had an easy life.

Oh wow, claiming you didn't have it easy as a child. I really didn't see that one coming. Look pal, it's the past man the fuck up about it. Grow up, noone cares about your problems and the only one keeping them problems is you.

And you're not siding with law and morals you're siding with idiocy. If your mum was pirating music on her ipod you bring it up at the dinner table or something. You don't go straight to the media with it. THAT'S THE MORAL THING TO DO. As it causes the least damage for all sides. So clearly you are wrong, so you don't have an answer. Oh wait I bet you will ignore this point and start ranting on about my previous point.

God forbid should you admit your wrong and move on.

You mean like how you'd admit you're wrong and move on? Yeah, thought so. I don't even understand how you can attempt to defend illegal activities or un-moral activities by saying going to an authority is the "idiotic" thing to do. It sounds like this is pretty personal for you. I never once said if you find something like illegal music you should just go to the cops, but if questioned, you would lie to the police? At the risk of being thrown in prison?

Why are you speculating. You are wrong in this situation. Stop bringing in other factors like jail. The point is he should of brought it up at the dinner table not gone to the media.

Throwing your family under a bus because they where hypocritical is wrong.

You are wrong.

Sorry, but you're in the wrong. I advocate against illegal things and un-moral things. If you advocate the opposite, you're automatically wrong. Also, He didn't just flat go to the media, the media was questioning his mother and he threw it in there.

Funny thing is I never said I advocate doing immoral or illegal things. You are the one who outright said you would throw your family under a bus for being hypocritical. Infact all I said was that the moral thing to do would be to bring it up away from the media.

So you can continue this game of quote tennis or you can apologise for your mistake in logic. Move on from this situation safe in the knowledge you handled it like an adult and grow from it.

Who knows this could be the defining moment in your teen life, maybe the next time you catch your parents smoking after they told you not to you won't throw them under a bus. Instead maybe you'll understand that you should do as they say not as they do as they are trying to raise you right.

Well I can only hope that this is the case, otherwise I might have to call up your family and alert them to the risks of walking on bus routes with you near them.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then, since I know I'm clearly in the right and you believe you're clearly in the right. This argument is going nowhere. Also you might want to stop with the personal attacks. Just a suggestion.

Not personal attacks I'm just joking around with that side of it. Gotta make humour out of internet conversations otherwise what's the point.

I was happily just skimming over your posts before I saw that and realised how silly you really are. Personal attacks and humour are two different things. Maybe next time don't use angsty teenager in the same arguments as when you're using personal attacks for the fun of it, maybe your'll have a bit more credibility.

 

[Asehujiko]

I think maybe one decently good example of where piracy has been a real, financial problem for a company is Iron Lore for Titan Quest, but -even then- the game had so many bugs and programming issues that just deterred people from buying it (seriously, if you've never played titan quest, lemme just say that it invented a new type of lag called Rubber-banding).

The reason Iron Lore had problems with "piracy"(really negative viral advertising) was because they ignored the thousands of bug reports of pre-release pirates and more importantly, pre-release reviewers. And came release day, surprise, surprise, all the bugs were still there and nobody bought it because they got ample warning beforehand. Then they bitched that the game was fine and everybody only ran afoul of their FADE style drm, which apparently has a 100% false positive rate on legal customers and blamed the horrible reviews on the reviewers usb gadgets interfering with the game.

And they shat out Dawn of War: Soulstorm, which is pretty much the reason I don't pity them for their own stupidity on all fronts.

Tldr: when you get a million QA testers for free: don't ignore them.