Player Accidentally Unlocks Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer DLC
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I see what you're talking about. I think you're giving more benefit of the doubt to people than I do. Where you're seeing people rejecting the DLC and explaining why, I'm not seeing people rejecting the DLC, so much as insisting they should get it for $0. This not-so-subtle difference seems to be where our opinions veer off.Atmos Duality said:
The initial responses (and I'm generalizing terribly here, but it's pretty close to what I've seen on these forums) are those who say "There is optional content I can pay more money for? It is not enough for me to ignore it and vote with my wallet; I must call everyone who buys it brainwashed and demand I get it for free, because I heard it is part of the original game, and therefore it must be."
The reaction to this being, "Stop acting like you're entitled to the content; buy it or don't."
For my part, at least, I do not intend the use of the word "entitlement" as a pejorative, although you rightly point out how it can be one. To me, I'm simply labeling the behavior in the hopes that the behavee will understand Bioware doesn't owe them that content in any way shape or form. I suppose it would be more helpful to the situation to take a nicer tact, but since we're talking about this on a technical level, I still posit the use of the term to be correct.
I liken it to calling someone "cheap" for leaving a 2% tip for a waitress. Not because her service was bad, but so that the meal would cost less. Is labeling that person cheap somewhat of an insult? Yea, I suppose so. But it's an accurate label because that person was actively engaging in the behavior of being cheap. COULD one use a better term? "Oh, you're a careful spender, my friend." Sure. But that doesn't invalidate the accuracy of that initial term.
I'm guessing this is where we agree to disagree. Ultimately, I would give a nod to you that there are better ways to reply to this situation than to just call people entitled and be done with it. It does inherently bring some baggage with it. But I'm still sticking to my guns that it is (mostly) what is happening in these forums.
It is a pleasure having a meeting of wits. You are a far wiser and more agreeable chap than many I've met on this wild and crazy internet. I salute you.
I'll believe it when someone of actual authority like Bioware or EA confirm it. Until then I call shenanigans. It'd be cool to have a Geth as a playable character but a Batarian? No thank you. Batarians are ugly hateful bastards. They should just be a new enemy type.
I'd much rather have a playable Hannar then I could cal him Blasto!
I'd much rather have a playable Hannar then I could cal him Blasto!
That's the point of division, yes.The.Bard said:
Because a lot of the arguments are going "Stop acting entitled to the content; just shut up and accept it." even when it's the consumer's role, in part to question the direction of the market they participate in.
Of course, that assumes they're doing so rationally, and that was my mistake in assuming so.
Well, I'm glad at least someone is remaining rational about this whole debacle.
Thanks for being civil about it.
Good day to you.
KROGAN BATTLEMASTER?!?!?! If the krogan soldier wasn't enough of a melee God!! & Merriam sentinel a tank god.....now the battlemaster!!!! People may argue that krogan are slow and not ideal for gold matches....but drizzle its not the character...its the player controlling the character. I have no problem with my krogan sentinel lvl 20, best team support out there.
Another Batarian fan?... I'm tempted to make an Escapist Group now...Fappy said:
On topic, as I've said on a few other threads, I REALLY hope this is true. I have been banging the drum for Batarians in multiplayer since the announcement of the character races and classes so I really hope it's true. Though, they really should have made the Adept a Volus. That way we could be Biotic Gods.
I unlocked a Salarian Engineer in my Starter Pack. My response?LtFerret said:
THIS IS THE BEST CLASS EVER!
It's the one I've had the most fun with so far, including my time in the demo. Energy Drain + Incinerate is a brilliant combo, and while Decoy really isn't anything special, you only really need to put one level into it and it's decent enough. You really only want to carry a single heavy pistol though like the Phalanx because you can get your power recharge times down to about 2.5 seconds.
Hope you unlock it soon!
That was kind of the point, though. Shepard is the only reason that the Geth and the Alliance/Quarians achieved peace, if they did. You can (And I did) end up having the Geth wipe out the Quarians. (And the Reapers never claimed that the Geth were the synthetics that were going to destroy the organics; pretty much every AI that we've seen in the game has gone insane and tried to kill people. EDI when she was first created, that one AI in ME1, and Project Overlord...and people think it's a good idea to keep building more of them.)Fapmaster5000 said:
OT: I would pay all my money to be able to play as a Geth Infiltrator. ALL MY MONEY.
As I said before, this aspect of things is likely to be a hoax, and since it's been connected to "The Truth" DLC pack which was a "rumor" I also suspect that it means the whole thing is not going to happen.
See, from where I'm sitting the guy who concocted this doesn't seem to have done their homework. As I pointed out before the Asari Vanguard's class skill is "Justicar" already, defining the Vanguard as a Justicar. Having a seperate Vanguard unlock that says "Justicar" somewhere seems bloody stupid and redundant to be honest.
I mean in theory they could rename the Asari Vanguard's class training skill something else and make the Justicar another varient with an Asari graphic and some tweaked skills, but that doesn't seem likely because if they planned that why would they have already defined the Vanguare as a Justicar if they planned ahead (with content apparently on the disc) to have an entirely seperate build/subclass for it?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see all of this, especially the "The Truth" content to fix the ending, but then again when I was younger I really wanted to find that way to resurrect Aeris in "Final Fantasy VII" too and that was a hoax that took off due to wishful thinking among fans.... I first heard about these unlocks as being part of that "free" DLC coming right around the corner.
Granted this is based on observations of the Asari alone, but what I'm noticing doesn't seem to be only a little inconsistincy with what's being said here.
Those cards also seem to be offering a heck of a lot more exps for the class than I've seen, I think your typical unlock card only grants 12,500 exps, or at least that was the case with my Asari Vanguard and Turian Soldier when I unlocked them.
See, from where I'm sitting the guy who concocted this doesn't seem to have done their homework. As I pointed out before the Asari Vanguard's class skill is "Justicar" already, defining the Vanguard as a Justicar. Having a seperate Vanguard unlock that says "Justicar" somewhere seems bloody stupid and redundant to be honest.
I mean in theory they could rename the Asari Vanguard's class training skill something else and make the Justicar another varient with an Asari graphic and some tweaked skills, but that doesn't seem likely because if they planned that why would they have already defined the Vanguare as a Justicar if they planned ahead (with content apparently on the disc) to have an entirely seperate build/subclass for it?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see all of this, especially the "The Truth" content to fix the ending, but then again when I was younger I really wanted to find that way to resurrect Aeris in "Final Fantasy VII" too and that was a hoax that took off due to wishful thinking among fans.... I first heard about these unlocks as being part of that "free" DLC coming right around the corner.
Granted this is based on observations of the Asari alone, but what I'm noticing doesn't seem to be only a little inconsistincy with what's being said here.
Those cards also seem to be offering a heck of a lot more exps for the class than I've seen, I think your typical unlock card only grants 12,500 exps, or at least that was the case with my Asari Vanguard and Turian Soldier when I unlocked them.
Yeah, how dare BioWare charge money for extra work they did! Its totally unreasonable to ask that a company seeks higher sales and profits for themselves and shareholders!Jennacide said:
You do know they run a business, right? As a business, they have one priority: make money. They don't have to keep you happy about it, they just have to rake in money. Thats not some giant EA thing, its how every successful business in the history of businesses works. Post launch, you are entitled to what you purchased - nothing more. If BioWare decides to offer you things for free, good for them. They win some brownie points.
I don't know why the collective fanbase for ME3 feels so entitled, but you're not. Just because they put the data for a side character they were planning to develop for doesn't mean you are entitled to it. It means they planned their DLC, and knew that would help it. You aren't entitled to new characters, items, perks, enemies, or maps - and you certainly aren't entitled to have them for free.
They have your money, you deserve nothing more. I agree, Multiplayer balance would be nice - but it was a different team then their core ME team that worked on the multiplayer. Chances are, they're already working on a new project - so don't hold your breath on all the tweaks you want for it.
I'm not really a huge fan of the multiplayer so I might leave this out. But a DLC to improve the ending? Yes please (shhh I can hope!).
>Defending the scummiest business practices possibleUber Waddles said:
You do realize the point of Capitalism is to offer the best product/service, and NOT just make the most money out of people humanly possible for the least effort, right? Because it's because the latter, and that's fucking wrong. And the worst part is, Bioware has continually lied about the DLC being preplanned, when it's ON THE DISC.
The point of Capitalism is not to offer the best product or service. Its to allow the Free Market, a force that the collective conscious of all consumers make up, to determine what is viable and what is not viable. In a Capitalistic society, business practices mean nothing unless they give reason for us not to give them our money, and instead give them to a competitor. Check ME3's sales - the people have spoken.Jennacide said:
The whole reason people like you are upset is because this idea of entitlement. The DLC is on the disk? I guess the 600MB download is one HELL of a long access code. There is a difference between "The DLC is on the disk" and "a character from the DLC is on the disk." Javik is on the disk. The mission to unlock him is not. The backstory for him is not. Just his AI, character model, and dialogue.
And do you know why this was done? In game development, right before the game is sent for bug checks and given to OK for mass production, pre-planning for DLC is started. This is usually done so Day 1 DLC or First Month DLC can be prepared and launched within time. Making a character is not that hard to do if you can still manipulate the code of the game - you can integrate him so he's part of the world and make him an interactable force. Once you ship that code for mass production, including a new character thats interactable is a lot more difficult. Instead of integrating the code, you have to make the code over-lap with DLC, which can cause more problems than its worth.
Developing and integrating Javik was something they could easily do - Prothean models already existed, they could get the voice actor and have him deliver his lines in a period of 1-3 days, and have it on the disk in time for mass production. Having that extra scenario would be something that would either push back the release date or be rushed and sloppy. Lets not forget that Javik was originally supposed to be in the game either. His basic model, animations and AI were formed early down the line, then axed because his original role wasn't good enough. WHen the DID bring him back, he was not like they had original planned, and was not meant to be a character with major plot implications. If you played From Ashes, you'll see: he's not that important of a character. He has a few "well, thats pretty neat" moment, but nothing that wont excite all but the hardcore.
The point is, the DLC itself was not on the disk. It was not done before the game was shipped for mass production. And BioWare has the right to charge you for it - why should they bust their asses and get nothing to show for it? Javiks story is not important to understanding and enjoying ME3. He was an extra character with a neat back story, not an essential part you wont understand the game without.
And this is why they'll never release DLC that could potentially affect the ending already in the game. We're stuck with this giant cluster-fuck of a bullshit finale and there's nothing we can do about it.Uber Waddles said: