Pokemon Research Proves Squirtle To Be Best Starter
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Given how you can power through Kanto League with just Blastiose, Raichu, and Nindoking he is the best starter for that region.
Nah, man. My Bulbasaur crushes all!
Super effective against the two first gym bosses(don't remember how grass does against electric) and that's where it's the most important imo. Can't be arsed leveling other Pokemon that early just to beat Misty.
Super effective against the two first gym bosses(don't remember how grass does against electric) and that's where it's the most important imo. Can't be arsed leveling other Pokemon that early just to beat Misty.
I said naturally. Naturally as in "No TMs." any smart water user hooks them with an ice move but I meant naturally.Yopaz said:Except every water starter that can learn ice beam or blizzard... which is all of them...Terminate421 said:Everyone knows Piplup is the best starter because he evolves into Empoleon
and Empoleon is best:
Also Piplup can learn peck. He is the only water starter naturally capable of having a move super effective against grass types.
Bulbasaur is clearly the best to start with since it can take on the first 3 gyms with ease while Charmander is at a huge disadvantage in the first gym and at a quite big disadvantage on the second (also at a disadvantage in the third if it evolves to Charizard before it reaches that place), but he might be on to something with Squirtle.
However, combining Sunny Day and Solarbeam makes Venasaur a really powerful Pokemon.
I think I love you.CrazyCapnMorgan said:OK. The only Water type starter I give a Rattata's poot about is Empoleon. FOR IT IS THE ONLY RIGHT WATER STARTER POKEMON IN THE UNIVERSE! [sub]ahem...[/sub]
Let's look at the facts, shall we?
1) Empoleon is a Water/Steel type pokemon, and is the ONLY known Water/Steel type pokemon in existence. Even legendaries do not have this typing!
2) Though Empoleon is weak to Electric, Fighting and Ground type moves, its moveset covers ALL of its weaknesses. It naturally learns Drill Peck and therefore covers Fighting and Grass types, it can learn Ice Beam (which gives the middle finger to Torterra) and finally, it can learn Earthquake and therefore covers Electric types.
3) Empoleon has the highest number of resistances among starter pokemon.
4) It has the highest base Special Attack of all starter pokemon.
5) Of all HMs, the only one it cannot learn is Fly. (Friggin penguins...)
6) For those of you wishing to argue Swampert, I got two words for ya: Grass Knot. Empoleon can also learn this move.
7) Is named after Napoleon Bonaparte, one of history's most famed conquerors, as is the same height as its namesake.
He is the best starter.
I'm calling BS on science... anyway, I ALWAYS pick the Fire starters tho' Bulbasaur is the coolest grass type IMOCognimancer said:
On my Steel-type "Knight" themed team, he holds a special place in my heart. He also represents the greaves and boots, because he cannot fly.Terminate421 said:I think I love you.CrazyCapnMorgan said:OK. The only Water type starter I give a Rattata's poot about is Empoleon. FOR IT IS THE ONLY RIGHT WATER STARTER POKEMON IN THE UNIVERSE! [sub]ahem...[/sub]
Let's look at the facts, shall we?
1) Empoleon is a Water/Steel type pokemon, and is the ONLY known Water/Steel type pokemon in existence. Even legendaries do not have this typing!
2) Though Empoleon is weak to Electric, Fighting and Ground type moves, its moveset covers ALL of its weaknesses. It naturally learns Drill Peck and therefore covers Fighting and Grass types, it can learn Ice Beam (which gives the middle finger to Torterra) and finally, it can learn Earthquake and therefore covers Electric types.
3) Empoleon has the highest number of resistances among starter pokemon.
4) It has the highest base Special Attack of all starter pokemon.
5) Of all HMs, the only one it cannot learn is Fly. (Friggin penguins...)
6) For those of you wishing to argue Swampert, I got two words for ya: Grass Knot. Empoleon can also learn this move.
7) Is named after Napoleon Bonaparte, one of history's most famed conquerors, as is the same height as its namesake.
He is the best starter.
Thankfully for Charizard his speed is much faster than Torterra. Quick little fire blast and it's good night, thanks for coming.BanicRhys said:
Torterra doesn't even need to use a STAB move when he can learn Stone Edge.
Not that there are many Charizards to squish in Gen 4 PvE anyway.
I knew that I was right for picking Squirtle!
Now I need to run before I get caught by the inevitable shitstorm.
Now I need to run before I get caught by the inevitable shitstorm.
Which is why you switch to something that counters Charizard just like Charizard counters slow, physical tanks.bug_of_war said:
But... we're starting to stray dangerously close depths of hypothetical Pokemon battling, and that's a fight that nobody's going to win.
Someone's gotta take a stand. Someone's gotta say no and refuse to hypothetically fight.
Just like a grass type user, never able to finish a fight.BanicRhys said:
heh, yep we'll stop here
Whoops, my bad. Yeah none of the others actually learn ice moves by themselves so you're right. Sorry about that.Terminate421 said:I said naturally. Naturally as in "No TMs." any smart water user hooks them with an ice move but I meant naturally.Yopaz said:Except every water starter that can learn ice beam or blizzard... which is all of them...Terminate421 said:Everyone knows Piplup is the best starter because he evolves into Empoleon
and Empoleon is best:
Also Piplup can learn peck. He is the only water starter naturally capable of having a move super effective against grass types.
Bulbasaur is clearly the best to start with since it can take on the first 3 gyms with ease while Charmander is at a huge disadvantage in the first gym and at a quite big disadvantage on the second (also at a disadvantage in the third if it evolves to Charizard before it reaches that place), but he might be on to something with Squirtle.
However, combining Sunny Day and Solarbeam makes Venasaur a really powerful Pokemon.
All this talk about X and Y has me going back to finish my 151 run from over the summer, and I can conclude that Charmander is most definitely baller. How baller? So baller, that I had to trade on in alongside my squirtle run, and I didn't even want to do that. He just...took over.
But...Blastoise was the original badass, man. Dude had cannons that retracted into his shell. Might as well just field them both, though, because I'm a middle-roader.
But...Blastoise was the original badass, man. Dude had cannons that retracted into his shell. Might as well just field them both, though, because I'm a middle-roader.
That reminded me, when I was a kid I used squirtle as my starter (because he's the best) and nicknamed him Gusher. Oh how innocent I was. Besides that, HELL YEAH TEAM SQUIRTLE! go ahead come at me with your Charizard, let's see how he likes Surf.Whatislove said:
It usually doesn't take this long for someone with more than a casual knowledge of Pokemon to come along.
Speaking as a true battler, Venusaur has ultimately been the strongest of the originals. Starting from 4th gen, Charizard suffered from mediocre offensive stats with poor defenses and the worst typing the game could give a Pokemon in the new age of entry hazards. It was a Pokemon of very few tricks and therefore incredibly predictable. Is it going to belly drum? Or is it using Choice and therefore going to have to switch often and get ruined by stealth rocks? Either way, if a Charizard caused problems for an OU team, it was a poorly made team. Blastoise is barely worth mentioning - it didn't even get anything unique in 4th gen, it was the most generic of generic bulky water types, mediocre even in its own tier (which was a low tier) and entirely unusable in OU.
Venusaur on the other hand, with great defenses, a supporting movepool particular to grass types, and good resistances was an exceptionally useful bulky grass type with leech seed and sleep powder, and could easily find a well deserved place on any team in OU.
Enter 5th gen, the generation of weather - Charizard is as hopeless in the face of SR as always. Blastoise gets some niche defensive appeal for rain teams with rain dish, for people who just want to use blastoise and are willing to overlook several better choices for that role... And Venusaur gets chlorophyl and an upgraded Growth along with the introduction of a Non-Uber Drought Pokemon. Suddenly Sunny Day teams were a thing, and for every Sunny Day team, there was a Venusaur to do the sweeping, and it became one of the most fearsome threats in the game for which every team needed a counter unless they wanted to forfeit every single time their opponent led with a Ninetales.
Speaking as a true battler, Venusaur has ultimately been the strongest of the originals. Starting from 4th gen, Charizard suffered from mediocre offensive stats with poor defenses and the worst typing the game could give a Pokemon in the new age of entry hazards. It was a Pokemon of very few tricks and therefore incredibly predictable. Is it going to belly drum? Or is it using Choice and therefore going to have to switch often and get ruined by stealth rocks? Either way, if a Charizard caused problems for an OU team, it was a poorly made team. Blastoise is barely worth mentioning - it didn't even get anything unique in 4th gen, it was the most generic of generic bulky water types, mediocre even in its own tier (which was a low tier) and entirely unusable in OU.
Venusaur on the other hand, with great defenses, a supporting movepool particular to grass types, and good resistances was an exceptionally useful bulky grass type with leech seed and sleep powder, and could easily find a well deserved place on any team in OU.
Enter 5th gen, the generation of weather - Charizard is as hopeless in the face of SR as always. Blastoise gets some niche defensive appeal for rain teams with rain dish, for people who just want to use blastoise and are willing to overlook several better choices for that role... And Venusaur gets chlorophyl and an upgraded Growth along with the introduction of a Non-Uber Drought Pokemon. Suddenly Sunny Day teams were a thing, and for every Sunny Day team, there was a Venusaur to do the sweeping, and it became one of the most fearsome threats in the game for which every team needed a counter unless they wanted to forfeit every single time their opponent led with a Ninetales.
I disagree. Bulbasaur is super-effective against the first two gyms, which is exceedingly valuable given the rarity of such Pokemon up to that point. It also has valuable crowd-control abilities, and by the time you get up to the gyms where Bulba/Ivy/Venusaur isn't as effective, you have scores of caught Pokemon to pick up the slack.
Squirtle is great in Pewter, but falls flat in Cerulean and hits a wall in Vermilion and Celadon, returning to power only on Cinnibar and Veridian, by which time one has scores of water types at their disposal. Bulbasaur, meanwhile, holds his own against the electric and grass types long enough for you to get some more water types in preparation for benching him on the fires of Cinnibar.
Charmander is for people who are fucking hardcore, and don't give a shit - Charizard is the tits, and which should be fully evolved in time to incinerate the grass types of Celadon.
My team ended up being Charizard, Marowak, Gengar, Lapras, Jolteon and Mew.
Squirtle is great in Pewter, but falls flat in Cerulean and hits a wall in Vermilion and Celadon, returning to power only on Cinnibar and Veridian, by which time one has scores of water types at their disposal. Bulbasaur, meanwhile, holds his own against the electric and grass types long enough for you to get some more water types in preparation for benching him on the fires of Cinnibar.
Charmander is for people who are fucking hardcore, and don't give a shit - Charizard is the tits, and which should be fully evolved in time to incinerate the grass types of Celadon.
My team ended up being Charizard, Marowak, Gengar, Lapras, Jolteon and Mew.
Back in the day when I used to play pokemon I ALWAYS chose the fire types ( which are very rare early on ). Why simple I could get plant types ( which are VERY common ) with fire types thus allowing me to catch water, then rock , then electric it's not just about any one pokemon itself but what it allows you to get. By the middle of the game I had a well rounded crew just because I could go after almost ANYTHING. I'm guessing the " stats " didn't take this into account.
