Police pepper spray 8 year old

[SinisterGehe]

Police was right, in violent situations it is often best for both parties to take the violent person down.
But I think this will end up to "They are police they are wrong" and "I did nothing wrong, I was just angry" discussion trying to shift the blame off the kid to the police.

If a kid tries to attack students and threats to kill them, ofc he should be brought down for hes own and for the safety of others.

And knowing American media, the boy most likely lied in order to get sympathy points.

 

[vikeif]

"Hes got a white flag!" - South Park

Its a freaking stick people, being used by a child. Do you know what you do? Take the stick away from him, just grab it. Whats he going to do? Pull out his well hidden shotgun? Or make his satellite shoot a lazer at you because he is clearly a criminal mastermind and you can never know what 8 YEAR OLDS are capable of?!

Seriously, how scared are you guys that an 8 year old poses a threat. No more little league baseball... cant just GIVE children bats, they might violently hit a ball with it or something! No more ice creams, those cones are pointy! Have you gone to restuarants lately? They are just arming children with knives and forks... what are they trying to do? Start a child army to take over the world?!

My advice to all police officers out there... if you are so cowardly that children register as threats to you then quit, its likely that you will come face to face with bigger things than children in your line of work.

oh dear lord, REALLY!? Why does everyone want to see a grown man beat this kid down, mace is damn effective and goes away in a few min, Kid is fine, police are fine. Really think about if they didn't use it, and the cop hurt the kid bad with a take down maneuver, he's be fired, sued, maybe imprisoned, Not to mention what a grown man could do to the poor child by accident alone.

No, you are right. The only option other than pepper spray is to kick the kids ass... not, maybe, take the stick off of him.

Argh, never heard of an accident? Kid might be 8 but a stick is still made of wood and pain with something strong enough to RIP THE MOLDING OFF THE WALLS swings it at you. Do you exept the kid to not fight? one lucky shot and and the officer could get dazed enough for the kid to KEEP BEATING HIM WITH IT! or better yet. The kid wasn't afraid, he was pissed off, you ever dealt with someone so enraged that they where ripping the walls down? You ever had a little brother with a bat? You ever had you knee cap bashed to the other side of you leg cause you 7yr old brother thought it was funny!? I doubt it!

Then on the other had, you ever had to fight some that would be the child equivalent to a grizzly on an adrenaline rush? One false move but the cop, he could hurt that kid brutally and not know it.
Mace does NO PHYSICAL HARM!!! kid is fucking fine, mace just fucking hurts. Hell getting sand in your eye can do more lasting harm.

 

[Angry_squirrel]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

 

[vikeif]

I think pepper spray is fine in this situation since parenting obviously has failed.

Don't be so hasty.
For most of my life I have been prone to have rages. The thing is, they are only brought on by other people being violent or abusive. If there is one thing I cannot stand, it is violent behaviour. I am as gentle as they come, which is the irony of the whole situation.
There was no problem with the way I was brought up, simply that it's always been in me, and once I snap, the rage has taken over and I'm no longer really "there."
I dare say it's probably a similar kind of thing for this kid.

My 2 cents.

True, sometime people are just angry by nature or have an actual imbalence, not bad parenting, hell this could even been linked to a bully.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

They act like they slamed the kids head in or shot him. It was just pepper spray, sure it hurts... but it won't kill the kid.

 

[SinisterGehe]

I think it's excessive force. Pepper spray can be leathal if the person has an allergic reaction to it. I don't think you should use it in a situation that doesn't call for leathal force. Same with tasers.

So is brute force if the person has weak body structure, bleeding disorder, clotting disorder or any type brittle bone condition.
Honestly there is no such way to take someone down that It couldn't be lethal. Talking someone can give them psychological issues that can lead to suicide.
And the changes boy would been allergic to it are quite slim and the allergic reactions that people usually get from that are nothing worse than rash or such. The changes he would had a severe reaction are quite slim and also he could have been treated with first aid to survive trough it, if he would been severly allergic to the components of pepper spray, he would had epipen with him, since the components of common pepper spray are natural and often found in foods.

 

[vikeif]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

Well I can be wrong and there is a good reason I'm no senitor or anything like that, but I was raise on the simple principal, You fuck up, you get a whoopin. (not talk a BEATING beating, good old spanking does the trick.) but seriously, you disobey the cops when they say put it down, well... lesson learned. But yeah you can buy mace in a drug store here, it's literally red pepper juice, in the eye, it hurt, you cry out, you hit ground and cry like a girl for 5 min, then you fine.

 

[vikeif]

I think it's excessive force. Pepper spray can be leathal if the person has an allergic reaction to it. I don't think you should use it in a situation that doesn't call for leathal force. Same with tasers.

So is brute force if the person has weak body structure, bleeding disorder, clotting disorder or any type brittle bone condition.
Honestly there is no such way to take someone down that It couldn't be lethal. Talking someone can give them psychological issues that can lead to suicide.
And the changes boy would been allergic to it are quite slim and the allergic reactions that people usually get from that are nothing worse than rash or such. The changes he would had a severe reaction are quite slim and also he could have been treated with first aid to survive trough it, if he would been severly allergic to the components of pepper spray, he would had epipen with him, since the components of common pepper spray are natural and often found in foods.

hell I think they treat you for it right afterward anyways to make sure.

 

[KiKiweaky]

I dont care even if he did drop the stick, he should know that you cant do shit like this and get away with it. Whats up with his two teachers... not being able to control an 8 year old? If I had done something like that at home/school I'd have had the shit kicked out of me.

Don't know how some people are willing to go off and teach when they have to put up with crap like that tbh.

 

[SpecklePattern]

He can recover. If looks are any indication, he already has.

It has no permanent effect and it looks like he has no problem with violence. I fully stand by the police on this one.

Totally agreed. And what comes to the

Doctors:

They all say there's nothing mentally wrong with him.

Fail diagnosis, and even the boy says that he might have anger issues.

 

[Wutaiflea]

The thing I find most interesting about the article is that the boy is in a school for children with behaviour problems, and yet assessments have shown he has no mental problems or reason for the outbursts.

I get the feeling that there's a lot of detail being kept out of the news on this one.

 

[Kinguendo]

No, you are right. The only option other than pepper spray is to kick the kids ass... not, maybe, take the stick off of him.

Argh, never heard of an accident? Kid might be 8 but a stick is still made of wood and pain with something strong enough to RIP THE MOLDING OFF THE WALLS swings it at you. Do you exept the kid to not fight? one lucky shot and and the officer could get dazed enough for the kid to KEEP BEATING HIM WITH IT! or better yet. The kid wasn't afraid, he was pissed off, you ever dealt with someone so enraged that they where ripping the walls down? You ever had a little brother with a bat? You ever had you knee cap bashed to the other side of you leg cause you 7yr old brother thought it was funny!? I doubt it!

Then on the other had, you ever had to fight some that would be the child equivalent to a grizzly on an adrenaline rush? One false move but the cop, he could hurt that kid brutally and not know it.
Mace does NO PHYSICAL HARM!!! kid is fucking fine, mace just fucking hurts. Hell getting sand in your eye can do more lasting harm.[/quote]

Yes and a bird could drop a turtle on your head when you next leave your house... doesnt mean you never go outside. The kid posed no threat, hell I would have gone over and taken the stick from the kid myself and I dont even have the back-up option of shooting him if he defies logic and turns into a real life Hulk. Police dont do their job because its safe, in the same way Doctors dont do their jobs because they dont like being around sick people.

Like I already said, if children pose a threat to you and you want to be a police officer... give up and go home.

 

[bader0]

No mental issues you say?
Either that diagnoses is fucked up or you ma'am(And sir if there is one) are a terrible parent(s) and I'm just sad I wasn't the one to blow a load of liquid fire into your son's retinas.
Now if only all moms (And fathers you sexist nut jobs) were equipped with pepper spray to subdue their obese, ADD-having, attention whore skin bags there would be a lot less whining and tantrums in super markets. Only their painful sobs as they claw at their eyes.
Yeah....I don't like children.

ahaha amen to that i dont think that this website is very sympathetic to children in general which i must say i fully support. sometimes i just wanna blend them

 

[vikeif]

The thing I find most interesting about the article is that the boy is in a school for children with behaviour problems, and yet assessments have shown he has no mental problems or reason for the outbursts.

I get the feeling that there's a lot of detail being kept out of the news on this one.

I have to agree with this, it's not often people just snap like this without a trigger. (even if the trigger is something a small as a hang nail.) There has to be one, at least.

 

[Angry_squirrel]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

Well I can be wrong and there is a good reason I'm no senitor or anything like that, but I was raise on the simple principal, You fuck up, you get a whoopin. (not talk a BEATING beating, good old spanking does the trick.) but seriously, you disobey the cops when they say put it down, well... lesson learned. But yeah you can buy mace in a drug store here, it's literally red pepper juice, in the eye, it hurt, you cry out, you hit ground and cry like a girl for 5 min, then you fine.

Why did the kid flip out at his teachers? We don't know. Maybe they're cruel bullies, and the kid reached the end of his tether (not exactly an uncommon trait for primary school teachers sadly) on the other hand, maybe they did nothing wrong and he just freaked out.
I was raised on the principal that violence should be avoided whenever possible. If he was a grown man then I wouldn't blame the police in the slightest, it's just that he's 8.

 

[willsham45]

There is nothing to it...I do belive the teachers should have done something, crist his is only 8 what is the worced he could do, use you haves to deflect chairs use you hands to take the wood off him pick him up and take him out side, not hide and call the police...the police could have done the same.

but i suppose then the teacher would be done for child abuse...what has the world come to.

admitidly pepper sprey is fast and effective and i am sure would make him think twice before doing it again.

 

[vikeif]

No, you are right. The only option other than pepper spray is to kick the kids ass... not, maybe, take the stick off of him.

Argh, never heard of an accident? Kid might be 8 but a stick is still made of wood and pain with something strong enough to RIP THE MOLDING OFF THE WALLS swings it at you. Do you exept the kid to not fight? one lucky shot and and the officer could get dazed enough for the kid to KEEP BEATING HIM WITH IT! or better yet. The kid wasn't afraid, he was pissed off, you ever dealt with someone so enraged that they where ripping the walls down? You ever had a little brother with a bat? You ever had you knee cap bashed to the other side of you leg cause you 7yr old brother thought it was funny!? I doubt it!

Then on the other had, you ever had to fight some that would be the child equivalent to a grizzly on an adrenaline rush? One false move but the cop, he could hurt that kid brutally and not know it.
Mace does NO PHYSICAL HARM!!! kid is fucking fine, mace just fucking hurts. Hell getting sand in your eye can do more lasting harm.

Yes and a bird could drop a turtle on your head when you next leave your house... doesnt mean you never go outside. The kid posed no threat, hell I would have gone over and taken the stick from the kid myself and I dont even have the back-up option of shooting him if he defies logic and turns into a real life Hulk. Police dont do their job because its safe, in the same way Doctors dont do their jobs because they dont like being around sick people.

Like I already said, if children pose a threat to you and you want to be a police officer... give up and go home.[/quote] Kid gets a lucky shot, to your knee, you go down, now one to your head, your out, kid beat you to death. Yes it is that simple. Maybe you might wanna think your invincible and that the human body is impervious to a hyper active child high on rage and adrenaline, but unless you have lived or worked with a child that unstable and have seen what can be done, you need to not bother acting like you can just walk right though it.

 

[Dimensional Vortex]

I read articles about this earlier. He had a weapon (regardless of the fact that it was a sharp piece of wood) and was threatening TO KILL both teachers and the police. I'd say that pepper spray was very much justified. I'd even say tazering would be acceptable- when someone is angry, has a weapon, and is threatening to kill you, you should not take chances, regardless of their age or size.

Also, this isn't the first time that the kid had the police called on him at school, nor the second, if articles are to be believed.

Well a tazer is a bit far considering they are lethal enough to kill children, adult women and people with heart problems.

I think the child's actions warranted the use of police spray, yes the police could have talked him down but the failure of this would cause more aggression. Just because the kid gets pissed off doesn't justify a violent rampage, the mother says it s often when he has a structured event then has free time then goes back to a structured event that he gets angry. Well its pretty simple to see that hes got angry because he didn't feel like doing work.

Its hard to see him posing much of a threat, but he did have a weapon and it is probably police protocol to end the situation as quickly as possible. The police told him to drop the weapon, he didn't, the police acted accordingly. I think the mother is complaining about the "excessive" use of police force on her son, but if there was another child on a violent rampage and was about to kill her son, she would want it resolved as quickly as possible. But due to her complaints the first time, her son would die because the police tried to talk down his assailant.

I would think there is a police protocol for matters like this, the first two times the police were able to talk down the child because he wasn't able to kill anyone in the imminent area (at least to my knowledge) But this time the police acted because I think they were trained to prevent any injury as quickly as possible in a poor hostage type situations such as this.

Ah well, this seems to me like on of those grey areas were some people agree and others don't and you can't really demonize or victimize anybody in this situation without looking unfair. Example: You try to make the child a victim, and you have to deal with the fact he went on a violent rampage. You try to make him a demon, and you have to remember he is only 8. You try to victimize the police, its the freaking police. You try to demonize the police and its frivolous because the police were doing what they should be doing.

 

[GeekFury]

I think it was perfectly legitimate force, could have been worse,they could have pulled their guns and fired on him, maybe now he'll have something done about his anger issues if it gets to a point where police are called in.

If he did the same thing in say 10 years, mental health issues or not, he'smore likely to leave in a body bag than with stinging eyes.