Police pepper spray 8 year old

[vikeif]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

Well I can be wrong and there is a good reason I'm no senitor or anything like that, but I was raise on the simple principal, You fuck up, you get a whoopin. (not talk a BEATING beating, good old spanking does the trick.) but seriously, you disobey the cops when they say put it down, well... lesson learned. But yeah you can buy mace in a drug store here, it's literally red pepper juice, in the eye, it hurt, you cry out, you hit ground and cry like a girl for 5 min, then you fine.

Why did the kid flip out at his teachers? We don't know. Maybe they're cruel bullies, and the kid reached the end of his tether (not exactly an uncommon trait for primary school teachers sadly) on the other hand, maybe they did nothing wrong and he just freaked out.
I was raised on the principal that violence should be avoided whenever possible. If he was a grown man then I wouldn't blame the police in the slightest, it's just that he's 8.

True teacher might just be asshole, I've heard alot of people pulling that shit. Still though, I don't see much violence to this, there could have been more violence had the police had to pull a physical take down. But as much as we think mace was to harsh, their is a lot harsher things coming his way now and and most of it is the shit we think should happen.

Edit: that first line came out sarcastic, I mean I heard of teacher of kids with issues (mental or otherwise) being cockwits.

 

[Ldude893]

He was threatening to stab two teachers with a sharp stick. Pepper spray was one of the least violent methods to keep him from killing someone.

He needs psychiatric help.

 

[Angry_squirrel]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

Well I can be wrong and there is a good reason I'm no senitor or anything like that, but I was raise on the simple principal, You fuck up, you get a whoopin. (not talk a BEATING beating, good old spanking does the trick.) but seriously, you disobey the cops when they say put it down, well... lesson learned. But yeah you can buy mace in a drug store here, it's literally red pepper juice, in the eye, it hurt, you cry out, you hit ground and cry like a girl for 5 min, then you fine.

Why did the kid flip out at his teachers? We don't know. Maybe they're cruel bullies, and the kid reached the end of his tether (not exactly an uncommon trait for primary school teachers sadly) on the other hand, maybe they did nothing wrong and he just freaked out.
I was raised on the principal that violence should be avoided whenever possible. If he was a grown man then I wouldn't blame the police in the slightest, it's just that he's 8.

True teacher might just be asshole, I've heard alot of people pulling that shit. Still though, I don't see much violence to this, there could have been more violence had the police had to pull a physical take down. But as much as we think mace was to harsh, their is a lot harsher things coming his way now and and most of it is the shit we think should happen.

I can see that I'm not going to change your opinion here, and I don't think there is any chance of me changing mine either, so lets just say what's done is done and each to their own. Thank you, at least, for arguing your point reasonably

 

[madster11]

I've been sprayed before.

Hurts like a *****, but ultimately i was fine after a few hours.

Stop bloody complaining - Tasers do a hell of a lot more damage. I've been hit by a weakened one a friend had and i would MUCH rather be sprayed in the face a few times than have a full-powered police one.

 

[matrix guardian]

S**t, short of shooting a net or something at him, that's about the kindest way they could have stopped him.

That's kind of what I was thinking. (unless perhapse more negotiating him toward sanity would have worked)

I soooooo wish I could find a clip of the scene in Kung Pow when he throws the tiny net on him. "It's a net, and it's tiny!"



EDIT: Hey I found one that will work.
It's the last 10 seconds of this video.

 

[Mechsoap]

I smell bullshit when he was asked about what he did when he was asked to put the stick down at about 4:30

Kinda does, I doubt the police is paranoid enough, to spray a 8 year old who follows orders.

 

[vikeif]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

Well I can be wrong and there is a good reason I'm no senitor or anything like that, but I was raise on the simple principal, You fuck up, you get a whoopin. (not talk a BEATING beating, good old spanking does the trick.) but seriously, you disobey the cops when they say put it down, well... lesson learned. But yeah you can buy mace in a drug store here, it's literally red pepper juice, in the eye, it hurt, you cry out, you hit ground and cry like a girl for 5 min, then you fine.

Why did the kid flip out at his teachers? We don't know. Maybe they're cruel bullies, and the kid reached the end of his tether (not exactly an uncommon trait for primary school teachers sadly) on the other hand, maybe they did nothing wrong and he just freaked out.
I was raised on the principal that violence should be avoided whenever possible. If he was a grown man then I wouldn't blame the police in the slightest, it's just that he's 8.

True teacher might just be asshole, I've heard alot of people pulling that shit. Still though, I don't see much violence to this, there could have been more violence had the police had to pull a physical take down. But as much as we think mace was to harsh, their is a lot harsher things coming his way now and and most of it is the shit we think should happen.

I can see that I'm not going to change your opinion here, and I don't think there is any chance of me changing mine either, so lets just say what's done is done and each to their own. Thank you, at least, for arguing your point reasonably

I was agreeing with you Bully teacher thing, I just noticed it came out sarcastic. I'm just saying I have had my kneecap caved in my my brother with the thin bats they give the little kids for baseball (might be something don't use everywhere.) and yeah, he wasn't even trying as hard as this kid would have been. and my brother was about 61/2-7 years old and a not the strongest little fellow. So the kid could have done serious damage with the adrenaline fueled rage he was on.

and thank you for at least thinking from my reasoning too.

 

[Kinguendo]

Kid gets a lucky shot, to your knee, you go down, now one to your head, your out, kid beat you to death. Yes it is that simple. Maybe you might wanna think your invincible and that the human body is impervious to a hyper active child high on rage and adrenaline, but unless you have lived or worked with a child that unstable and have seen what can be done, you need to not bother acting like you can just walk right though it.

Oh so you are of the belief that children are mini-hulks? So in your mind this kid has the power to hit hard enough to knock an adult to his knees and then knock him out in a single blow? I have seen actual fights with fully grown people using weapons that didnt happen like that... are you under the impression that I have no eyes? I have been attacked by a group of teenagers and none of them hurt me, upon seeing this they ran away and threw stones from a distance... again, relatively painless. Children simply arent capable of doing what you claim they can do. Just walk over and take the stick away... dont stand there and let him attack you as all of your arguments rely on the person doing and also dont let him take steroids for his 8 years of life and you will avoid being attacked by an armed mini-hulk.

 

[Gamblerjoe]

They say they don't know why he has outbursts, and that therapists can't find anything wrong with him mentally. They go on to say that the outbursts most commonly occur when he is transitioning from free time to a structured activity. It sounds like he is getting angry over the same things all 8 year olds get angry over, but is going berserk over them. Sounds to me like pepper spray was long overdue. This may sound callus, but his life will be better if he learns to stop being such a shit. When your behavior is so bad that it becomes debilitating, severe pain with no real physical detriment may be just what the doctor ordered.

 

[vikeif]

Kid gets a lucky shot, to your knee, you go down, now one to your head, your out, kid beat you to death. Yes it is that simple. Maybe you might wanna think your invincible and that the human body is impervious to a hyper active child high on rage and adrenaline, but unless you have lived or worked with a child that unstable and have seen what can be done, you need to not bother acting like you can just walk right though it.

Oh so you are of the belief that children are mini-hulks? So in your mind this kid has the power to hit hard enough to knock an adult to his knees and then knock him out it a single blow? I have seen actual fights with fully grown people using weapons that didnt happen like that... are you under the impression that I have no eyes? I have been attacked by a group of teenagers and none of them hurt me, upon seeing this they ran away and threw stones from a distance... again, relatively painless. Children simply arent capable of doing what you claim they can do. Just walk over and take the stick away... dont stand there and let him attack you as all of your arguments rely on the person doing and also dont let him take steroids for his 8 years of life and you will avoid being attacked by an armed mini-hulk.

They can't!? Well I guess I imagined it when my brother dislocated my kneecap? yes a group of teenage attacked you and you kicked all their asses? so why did you get arrested when then went cryin to their mother's then, assault of a minor is quite serious, and unless you had more people saying you DIDN'T start the fight, I'd say you would be fucked eh? Stop trying your bullshit, bud. I actually do deal with children with issues and mental disorders and yeah, some of the shit I see daily would rock your fragile little world.

Edit: Btw actually read the damn article you might the part of him ripping molding off the walls and such, yes this kid could take down an adult, hell he would probably go for your junk though (Kid don't exactly know how to tactically take down an adult)so I doubt he would think to knee cap you anyway, just wish you'd stop thinking about how it all police failure and think for a sec of how things could go wrong with all the choices they had, mace was the most effective choice with the least chance of anymore wounding.

 

[Soxafloppin]

I'm pretty okay with that, Pepper spray stings and irritates your eyes for a while, its not like they beat him or anything.

 

[Kinguendo]

They can't!? Well I guess I imagined it when my brother dislocated my kneecap? yes a group of teenage attacked you and you kicked all their asses? so why did you get arrested when then went cryin to their mother's then, assault of a minor is quite serious, and unless you had more people saying you DIDN'T start the fight, I'd say you would be fucked eh? Stop trying your bullshit, bud. I actually do deal with children with issues and mental disorders and yeah, some of the shit I see daily would rock your fragile little world.

So you are still doing the "Making up things" argument then?

I never said I kicked anyones ass... I am a pacifist. They attacked me, saw they werent getting anywhere and ran away. End of story.

So yeah, basically you rely on lies to fuel your argument.

 

[Slaanax]

Imagine this article if they would have tried to grab the stick and yanked his shoulder out of his socket.

 

[vikeif]

They can't!? Well I guess I imagined it when my brother dislocated my kneecap? yes a group of teenage attacked you and you kicked all their asses? so why did you get arrested when then went cryin to their mother's then, assault of a minor is quite serious, and unless you had more people saying you DIDN'T start the fight, I'd say you would be fucked eh? Stop trying your bullshit, bud. I actually do deal with children with issues and mental disorders and yeah, some of the shit I see daily would rock your fragile little world.

So you are still doing the "Making up things" argument then?

I never said I kicked anyones ass... I am a pacifist. They attacked me, saw they werent getting anywhere and ran away. End of story.

So yeah, basically you rely on lies to fuel your argument.

Now I know they beat you down, A Pacifist will not fight even defensively, so if you are a true pacifist you did nothing and they left after you started crying I'd guess, and judging by how all you can do is insult me for even DARING to question you, you didn't talk them down r find a peaceful solution to the conflict like a true pacifist does, you had to have swung at them. so yeah you either got beat up or you kicked their ass, otherwise that wasn't much of a group attack. so yeah I'm gonna assume (again better teaching.) that your in the "Making shit up" arguement too.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

This is one of the few cases of force that, though they may seem extreme phrased a certain way, I actually support the police knowing the details. Pepper spray is not permanently damaging, and the kid had to be subdued.

 

[vikeif]

Imagine this article if they would have tried to grab the stick and yanked his shoulder out of his socket.

THANK YOU!

 

[Julianking93]

Oddly enough, this seems rather justified to me.

He tried to kill people. I don't care if he is a kid, he still should be subdued.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Guys, we're not saying every toddler can take on 2 armed policemen and walk away victorious with a trophy ear between his teeth...

We're trying to explain that if things did go wrong, and bad luck happens, then a small kid who's in a rage, and strong enough to tear things off a wall, could POTENTIALLY do damage, and police have to deal with potential threats and make them not a threat any more.

Personally if they could make some kind of raygun that instantly caused extreme, agonizing toothache in every tooth, but did no actual damage, I'd be fine with them using it on anyone from 2 to 102, IF there was a risk of permanent injury to innocents.

Pain is temporary, injuries can be permanent. IF you have to explain to the kid why his eyes hurt, you say that the policeman had to protect the other people because he wouldn't listen, and so had to make him hurt for a little bit. Then to remember next time that if he stops, it won't happen again.

Of course the police should be responsible when using pepper spray, tasers, etc, but if there's potential threat, take em down without injury.

The idea that we should use kid gloves and protect the children, only works if we have children that are not wild, angry, and violent. Not all children are perfect little darlings, and I wouldn't advocate going into a library and randomly spraying quiet, well behaved kids.

He was acting like a violent, criminal midget, however, so he had to be treated like one, and they cared enough about his welfare not to use anything that could injure him. Again, pain is temporary.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

EDIT: Doh, double post

 

[Latinidiot]

It's pepper spray, come on. It's not like they beat him. Pepper spray takes you out for a minute and hurts like a *****, but once it's gone, it's gone no damage done.

and really? An 8year old saying: 'nu-uh, he hit me first' is almost immediately recognised as a lie, and when he wrecks the school and says that he doesn't know why it's fine? Come on, that mom should be ashamed.