Police pepper spray 8 year old

[vikeif]

"Hes got a white flag!" - South Park

Its a freaking stick people, being used by a child. Do you know what you do? Take the stick away from him, just grab it. Whats he going to do? Pull out his well hidden shotgun? Or make his satellite shoot a lazer at you because he is clearly a criminal mastermind and you can never know what 8 YEAR OLDS are capable of?!

Seriously, how scared are you guys that an 8 year old poses a threat. No more little league baseball... cant just GIVE children bats, they might violently hit a ball with it or something! No more ice creams, those cones are pointy! Have you gone to restuarants lately? They are just arming children with knives and forks... what are they trying to do? Start a child army to take over the world?!

My advice to all police officers out there... if you are so cowardly that children register as threats to you then quit, its likely that you will come face to face with bigger things than children in your line of work.

oh dear lord, REALLY!? Why does everyone want to see a grown man beat this kid down, mace is damn effective and goes away in a few min, Kid is fine, police are fine. Really think about if they didn't use it, and the cop hurt the kid bad with a take down maneuver, he's be fired, sued, maybe imprisoned, Not to mention what a grown man could do to the poor child by accident alone.

 

[sarge1942]

i think i need to see this stick, if it's like a spear then i can understand, if the kid was holding some thin little twig then... even so, maybe if they stopped excusing his behaviour he'd learn something. just watched the video, they should have talked to him for 5-10 minutes while he was swinging a stick and threatening to kill people? and that 8 year old kid was ripping apart the walls with his bare hands? at this point i'm waiting for him to turn green and start talking in third person about smashing things. in short, it was justified.

 

[Mad1Cow]

Yeah, because talking to him permanetely stopped him from doing it again didn't it misses, OH WAIT!

I'll stand by the police on this one, pepper spray isn't permanent and it leaves a permanent impression on the kid. He'll think twice now when he sharpens a stick, he'll go, "OH THEY HURT ME LAST TIME, I BETTER LISTEN TO THEM!"

Also the kids is such a bad liar, "do you think you'd have hurt your teachers if you weren't pepper sprayed?" "No..." yeah, great lie kid, learn your lesson, see ya in the army...

 

[FangShadow]

I hate to say it, but I think the police handled this one the best they could. The child did seemed to be going off excessively strong, and rather risk possibly seriously physically harming him trying to restrain him the pepper spray was quick and effective.

That said if their is training for these situations, I think officers should have it simply because it never hurts to be prepared.

I also think the location of this is important as well. This is in the same school district as columbine, that incident is like an old wound, healed with a scarring reminder. The boy mentioning violence and a death threat to the teachers is not good.

This is an awkward situation for all involved, but the boy made it out with little to no harm, so I don't think this should be an extreme national crisis.

 

[Angry_squirrel]

The kid is 8. It's not exactly difficult for grown men to restrain an 8 year old, it's not like he had a knife or anything. And he's got anger issues yes, but consider where those anger issues might come from? I'd say school is a pretty safe bet. Although a terrible mother would be another likely reason.

The police used unnecessary force.

HA! unnecessary!? If I'd had done that, my own mother would have beat me blind, and way I see it, that mace is gonna wear off far sooner than the ass beating from his parent and the mental scaring of the therapy that they are gonna force him into till he thinks he is a murder beast that should never see light of day.

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"mental scaring of the therapy"? Really? I think therapy would be a good thing, kid obviously has a lot of pent up anger and therapy might help him deal with that.
All I'm saying is that pepper spray was really unnecessary, any police officer who isn't capable of restraining an 8 year old needs to find a new line of work.

well ok it's not really the therapy but how people will treat him after this mostly, I would know they stuck me in it for punch some jerk at the lunch table for pouring milk on my pb&j

"All I'm saying is that pepper spray was really unnecessary, any police officer who isn't capable of restraining an 8 year old needs to find a new line of work."

So you want a 250lbs man to pin an 8 year old kid with police standard take down methods? Did you miss the news report where a cop tackled a running man and almost kill em? Mace DOES TO PHYSICAL HARM, IT JUST HURTS!(sand in your eye is more damaging.) Maybe you want to see a grown man attack a hyper active brat with a stick, I rather see some efficiency

I'll be honest I have no experience with pepper spray whatsoever (I'm British, I don't even think we have it here)
I was a lot like this when I was younger, and no one ever had any bother restraining me without hurting me.
In my experience fucked up kids are fucked up for a reason, in my case that reason was my parents breaking up and some very nasty bullying at school. That doesn't make it right, but I think people should be considering why it is that the kid has anger issues, and why he was threatening to kill the teachers.

 

[Kinguendo]

"Hes got a white flag!" - South Park

Its a freaking stick people, being used by a child. Do you know what you do? Take the stick away from him, just grab it. Whats he going to do? Pull out his well hidden shotgun? Or make his satellite shoot a lazer at you because he is clearly a criminal mastermind and you can never know what 8 YEAR OLDS are capable of?!

Seriously, how scared are you guys that an 8 year old poses a threat. No more little league baseball... cant just GIVE children bats, they might violently hit a ball with it or something! No more ice creams, those cones are pointy! Have you gone to restuarants lately? They are just arming children with knives and forks... what are they trying to do? Start a child army to take over the world?!

My advice to all police officers out there... if you are so cowardly that children register as threats to you then quit, its likely that you will come face to face with bigger things than children in your line of work.

oh dear lord, REALLY!? Why does everyone want to see a grown man beat this kid down, mace is damn effective and goes away in a few min, Kid is fine, police are fine. Really think about if they didn't use it, and the cop hurt the kid bad with a take down maneuver, he's be fired, sued, maybe imprisoned, Not to mention what a grown man could do to the poor child by accident alone.

No, you are right. The only option other than pepper spray is to kick the kids ass... not, maybe, take the stick off of him.

 

[vikeif]

The kid is 8. It's not exactly difficult for grown men to restrain an 8 year old, it's not like he had a knife or anything. And he's got anger issues yes, but consider where those anger issues might come from? I'd say school is a pretty safe bet. Although a terrible mother would be another likely reason.

The police used unnecessary force.

HA! unnecessary!? If I'd had done that, my own mother would have beat me blind, and way I see it, that mace is gonna wear off far sooner than the ass beating from his parent and the mental scaring of the therapy that they are gonna force him into till he thinks he is a murder beast that should never see light of day.

Edit: typos

"mental scaring of the therapy"? Really? I think therapy would be a good thing, kid obviously has a lot of pent up anger and therapy might help him deal with that.
All I'm saying is that pepper spray was really unnecessary, any police officer who isn't capable of restraining an 8 year old needs to find a new line of work.

well ok it's not really the therapy but how people will treat him after this mostly, I would know they stuck me in it for punch some jerk at the lunch table for pouring milk on my pb&j

"All I'm saying is that pepper spray was really unnecessary, any police officer who isn't capable of restraining an 8 year old needs to find a new line of work."

So you want a 250lbs man to pin an 8 year old kid with police standard take down methods? Did you miss the news report where a cop tackled a running man and almost kill em? Mace DOES TO PHYSICAL HARM, IT JUST HURTS!(sand in your eye is more damaging.) Maybe you want to see a grown man attack a hyper active brat with a stick, I rather see some efficiency

I'll be honest I have no experience with pepper spray whatsoever (I'm British, I don't even think we have it here)
I was a lot like this when I was younger, and no one ever had any bother restraining me without hurting me.
In my experience fucked up kids are fucked up for a reason, in my case that reason was my parents breaking up and some very nasty bullying at school. That doesn't make it right, but I think people should be considering why it is that the kid has anger issues, and why he was threatening to kill the teachers.

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

 

[Vrach]

He'll be fine. It's just pepper spray. That said, I do have a far more nagging question...

How is an 8 year old armed with a stick a lethal threat to two adults?

 

[TheXRatedDodo]

I think pepper spray is fine in this situation since parenting obviously has failed.

Don't be so hasty.
For most of my life I have been prone to have rages. The thing is, they are only brought on by other people being violent or abusive. If there is one thing I cannot stand, it is violent behaviour. I am as gentle as they come, which is the irony of the whole situation.
There was no problem with the way I was brought up, simply that it's always been in me, and once I snap, the rage has taken over and I'm no longer really "there."
I dare say it's probably a similar kind of thing for this kid.

My 2 cents.

 

[Danish rage]

So many misinformed people and posts here it hurts.

 

[SinisterGehe]

Police was right, in violent situations it is often best for both parties to take the violent person down.
But I think this will end up to "They are police they are wrong" and "I did nothing wrong, I was just angry" discussion trying to shift the blame off the kid to the police.

If a kid tries to attack students and threats to kill them, ofc he should be brought down for hes own and for the safety of others.

And knowing American media, the boy most likely lied in order to get sympathy points.

 

[vikeif]

"Hes got a white flag!" - South Park

Its a freaking stick people, being used by a child. Do you know what you do? Take the stick away from him, just grab it. Whats he going to do? Pull out his well hidden shotgun? Or make his satellite shoot a lazer at you because he is clearly a criminal mastermind and you can never know what 8 YEAR OLDS are capable of?!

Seriously, how scared are you guys that an 8 year old poses a threat. No more little league baseball... cant just GIVE children bats, they might violently hit a ball with it or something! No more ice creams, those cones are pointy! Have you gone to restuarants lately? They are just arming children with knives and forks... what are they trying to do? Start a child army to take over the world?!

My advice to all police officers out there... if you are so cowardly that children register as threats to you then quit, its likely that you will come face to face with bigger things than children in your line of work.

oh dear lord, REALLY!? Why does everyone want to see a grown man beat this kid down, mace is damn effective and goes away in a few min, Kid is fine, police are fine. Really think about if they didn't use it, and the cop hurt the kid bad with a take down maneuver, he's be fired, sued, maybe imprisoned, Not to mention what a grown man could do to the poor child by accident alone.

No, you are right. The only option other than pepper spray is to kick the kids ass... not, maybe, take the stick off of him.

Argh, never heard of an accident? Kid might be 8 but a stick is still made of wood and pain with something strong enough to RIP THE MOLDING OFF THE WALLS swings it at you. Do you exept the kid to not fight? one lucky shot and and the officer could get dazed enough for the kid to KEEP BEATING HIM WITH IT! or better yet. The kid wasn't afraid, he was pissed off, you ever dealt with someone so enraged that they where ripping the walls down? You ever had a little brother with a bat? You ever had you knee cap bashed to the other side of you leg cause you 7yr old brother thought it was funny!? I doubt it!

Then on the other had, you ever had to fight some that would be the child equivalent to a grizzly on an adrenaline rush? One false move but the cop, he could hurt that kid brutally and not know it.
Mace does NO PHYSICAL HARM!!! kid is fucking fine, mace just fucking hurts. Hell getting sand in your eye can do more lasting harm.

 

[Angry_squirrel]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

 

[vikeif]

I think pepper spray is fine in this situation since parenting obviously has failed.

Don't be so hasty.
For most of my life I have been prone to have rages. The thing is, they are only brought on by other people being violent or abusive. If there is one thing I cannot stand, it is violent behaviour. I am as gentle as they come, which is the irony of the whole situation.
There was no problem with the way I was brought up, simply that it's always been in me, and once I snap, the rage has taken over and I'm no longer really "there."
I dare say it's probably a similar kind of thing for this kid.

My 2 cents.

True, sometime people are just angry by nature or have an actual imbalence, not bad parenting, hell this could even been linked to a bully.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

They act like they slamed the kids head in or shot him. It was just pepper spray, sure it hurts... but it won't kill the kid.

 

[SinisterGehe]

I think it's excessive force. Pepper spray can be leathal if the person has an allergic reaction to it. I don't think you should use it in a situation that doesn't call for leathal force. Same with tasers.

So is brute force if the person has weak body structure, bleeding disorder, clotting disorder or any type brittle bone condition.
Honestly there is no such way to take someone down that It couldn't be lethal. Talking someone can give them psychological issues that can lead to suicide.
And the changes boy would been allergic to it are quite slim and the allergic reactions that people usually get from that are nothing worse than rash or such. The changes he would had a severe reaction are quite slim and also he could have been treated with first aid to survive trough it, if he would been severly allergic to the components of pepper spray, he would had epipen with him, since the components of common pepper spray are natural and often found in foods.

 

[vikeif]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

Well I can be wrong and there is a good reason I'm no senitor or anything like that, but I was raise on the simple principal, You fuck up, you get a whoopin. (not talk a BEATING beating, good old spanking does the trick.) but seriously, you disobey the cops when they say put it down, well... lesson learned. But yeah you can buy mace in a drug store here, it's literally red pepper juice, in the eye, it hurt, you cry out, you hit ground and cry like a girl for 5 min, then you fine.

 

[vikeif]

I think it's excessive force. Pepper spray can be leathal if the person has an allergic reaction to it. I don't think you should use it in a situation that doesn't call for leathal force. Same with tasers.

So is brute force if the person has weak body structure, bleeding disorder, clotting disorder or any type brittle bone condition.
Honestly there is no such way to take someone down that It couldn't be lethal. Talking someone can give them psychological issues that can lead to suicide.
And the changes boy would been allergic to it are quite slim and the allergic reactions that people usually get from that are nothing worse than rash or such. The changes he would had a severe reaction are quite slim and also he could have been treated with first aid to survive trough it, if he would been severly allergic to the components of pepper spray, he would had epipen with him, since the components of common pepper spray are natural and often found in foods.

hell I think they treat you for it right afterward anyways to make sure.

 

[KiKiweaky]

I dont care even if he did drop the stick, he should know that you cant do shit like this and get away with it. Whats up with his two teachers... not being able to control an 8 year old? If I had done something like that at home/school I'd have had the shit kicked out of me.

Don't know how some people are willing to go off and teach when they have to put up with crap like that tbh.

 

[SpecklePattern]

He can recover. If looks are any indication, he already has.

It has no permanent effect and it looks like he has no problem with violence. I fully stand by the police on this one.

Totally agreed. And what comes to the

Doctors:

They all say there's nothing mentally wrong with him.

Fail diagnosis, and even the boy says that he might have anger issues.