Police pepper spray 8 year old

[Wutaiflea]

The thing I find most interesting about the article is that the boy is in a school for children with behaviour problems, and yet assessments have shown he has no mental problems or reason for the outbursts.

I get the feeling that there's a lot of detail being kept out of the news on this one.

 

[Kinguendo]

No, you are right. The only option other than pepper spray is to kick the kids ass... not, maybe, take the stick off of him.

Argh, never heard of an accident? Kid might be 8 but a stick is still made of wood and pain with something strong enough to RIP THE MOLDING OFF THE WALLS swings it at you. Do you exept the kid to not fight? one lucky shot and and the officer could get dazed enough for the kid to KEEP BEATING HIM WITH IT! or better yet. The kid wasn't afraid, he was pissed off, you ever dealt with someone so enraged that they where ripping the walls down? You ever had a little brother with a bat? You ever had you knee cap bashed to the other side of you leg cause you 7yr old brother thought it was funny!? I doubt it!

Then on the other had, you ever had to fight some that would be the child equivalent to a grizzly on an adrenaline rush? One false move but the cop, he could hurt that kid brutally and not know it.
Mace does NO PHYSICAL HARM!!! kid is fucking fine, mace just fucking hurts. Hell getting sand in your eye can do more lasting harm.[/quote]

Yes and a bird could drop a turtle on your head when you next leave your house... doesnt mean you never go outside. The kid posed no threat, hell I would have gone over and taken the stick from the kid myself and I dont even have the back-up option of shooting him if he defies logic and turns into a real life Hulk. Police dont do their job because its safe, in the same way Doctors dont do their jobs because they dont like being around sick people.

Like I already said, if children pose a threat to you and you want to be a police officer... give up and go home.

 

[bader0]

No mental issues you say?
Either that diagnoses is fucked up or you ma'am(And sir if there is one) are a terrible parent(s) and I'm just sad I wasn't the one to blow a load of liquid fire into your son's retinas.
Now if only all moms (And fathers you sexist nut jobs) were equipped with pepper spray to subdue their obese, ADD-having, attention whore skin bags there would be a lot less whining and tantrums in super markets. Only their painful sobs as they claw at their eyes.
Yeah....I don't like children.

ahaha amen to that i dont think that this website is very sympathetic to children in general which i must say i fully support. sometimes i just wanna blend them

 

[vikeif]

The thing I find most interesting about the article is that the boy is in a school for children with behaviour problems, and yet assessments have shown he has no mental problems or reason for the outbursts.

I get the feeling that there's a lot of detail being kept out of the news on this one.

I have to agree with this, it's not often people just snap like this without a trigger. (even if the trigger is something a small as a hang nail.) There has to be one, at least.

 

[Angry_squirrel]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

Well I can be wrong and there is a good reason I'm no senitor or anything like that, but I was raise on the simple principal, You fuck up, you get a whoopin. (not talk a BEATING beating, good old spanking does the trick.) but seriously, you disobey the cops when they say put it down, well... lesson learned. But yeah you can buy mace in a drug store here, it's literally red pepper juice, in the eye, it hurt, you cry out, you hit ground and cry like a girl for 5 min, then you fine.

Why did the kid flip out at his teachers? We don't know. Maybe they're cruel bullies, and the kid reached the end of his tether (not exactly an uncommon trait for primary school teachers sadly) on the other hand, maybe they did nothing wrong and he just freaked out.
I was raised on the principal that violence should be avoided whenever possible. If he was a grown man then I wouldn't blame the police in the slightest, it's just that he's 8.

 

[willsham45]

There is nothing to it...I do belive the teachers should have done something, crist his is only 8 what is the worced he could do, use you haves to deflect chairs use you hands to take the wood off him pick him up and take him out side, not hide and call the police...the police could have done the same.

but i suppose then the teacher would be done for child abuse...what has the world come to.

admitidly pepper sprey is fast and effective and i am sure would make him think twice before doing it again.

 

[vikeif]

No, you are right. The only option other than pepper spray is to kick the kids ass... not, maybe, take the stick off of him.

Argh, never heard of an accident? Kid might be 8 but a stick is still made of wood and pain with something strong enough to RIP THE MOLDING OFF THE WALLS swings it at you. Do you exept the kid to not fight? one lucky shot and and the officer could get dazed enough for the kid to KEEP BEATING HIM WITH IT! or better yet. The kid wasn't afraid, he was pissed off, you ever dealt with someone so enraged that they where ripping the walls down? You ever had a little brother with a bat? You ever had you knee cap bashed to the other side of you leg cause you 7yr old brother thought it was funny!? I doubt it!

Then on the other had, you ever had to fight some that would be the child equivalent to a grizzly on an adrenaline rush? One false move but the cop, he could hurt that kid brutally and not know it.
Mace does NO PHYSICAL HARM!!! kid is fucking fine, mace just fucking hurts. Hell getting sand in your eye can do more lasting harm.

Yes and a bird could drop a turtle on your head when you next leave your house... doesnt mean you never go outside. The kid posed no threat, hell I would have gone over and taken the stick from the kid myself and I dont even have the back-up option of shooting him if he defies logic and turns into a real life Hulk. Police dont do their job because its safe, in the same way Doctors dont do their jobs because they dont like being around sick people.

Like I already said, if children pose a threat to you and you want to be a police officer... give up and go home.[/quote] Kid gets a lucky shot, to your knee, you go down, now one to your head, your out, kid beat you to death. Yes it is that simple. Maybe you might wanna think your invincible and that the human body is impervious to a hyper active child high on rage and adrenaline, but unless you have lived or worked with a child that unstable and have seen what can be done, you need to not bother acting like you can just walk right though it.

 

[Dimensional Vortex]

I read articles about this earlier. He had a weapon (regardless of the fact that it was a sharp piece of wood) and was threatening TO KILL both teachers and the police. I'd say that pepper spray was very much justified. I'd even say tazering would be acceptable- when someone is angry, has a weapon, and is threatening to kill you, you should not take chances, regardless of their age or size.

Also, this isn't the first time that the kid had the police called on him at school, nor the second, if articles are to be believed.

Well a tazer is a bit far considering they are lethal enough to kill children, adult women and people with heart problems.

I think the child's actions warranted the use of police spray, yes the police could have talked him down but the failure of this would cause more aggression. Just because the kid gets pissed off doesn't justify a violent rampage, the mother says it s often when he has a structured event then has free time then goes back to a structured event that he gets angry. Well its pretty simple to see that hes got angry because he didn't feel like doing work.

Its hard to see him posing much of a threat, but he did have a weapon and it is probably police protocol to end the situation as quickly as possible. The police told him to drop the weapon, he didn't, the police acted accordingly. I think the mother is complaining about the "excessive" use of police force on her son, but if there was another child on a violent rampage and was about to kill her son, she would want it resolved as quickly as possible. But due to her complaints the first time, her son would die because the police tried to talk down his assailant.

I would think there is a police protocol for matters like this, the first two times the police were able to talk down the child because he wasn't able to kill anyone in the imminent area (at least to my knowledge) But this time the police acted because I think they were trained to prevent any injury as quickly as possible in a poor hostage type situations such as this.

Ah well, this seems to me like on of those grey areas were some people agree and others don't and you can't really demonize or victimize anybody in this situation without looking unfair. Example: You try to make the child a victim, and you have to deal with the fact he went on a violent rampage. You try to make him a demon, and you have to remember he is only 8. You try to victimize the police, its the freaking police. You try to demonize the police and its frivolous because the police were doing what they should be doing.

 

[GeekFury]

I think it was perfectly legitimate force, could have been worse,they could have pulled their guns and fired on him, maybe now he'll have something done about his anger issues if it gets to a point where police are called in.

If he did the same thing in say 10 years, mental health issues or not, he'smore likely to leave in a body bag than with stinging eyes.

 

[vikeif]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

Well I can be wrong and there is a good reason I'm no senitor or anything like that, but I was raise on the simple principal, You fuck up, you get a whoopin. (not talk a BEATING beating, good old spanking does the trick.) but seriously, you disobey the cops when they say put it down, well... lesson learned. But yeah you can buy mace in a drug store here, it's literally red pepper juice, in the eye, it hurt, you cry out, you hit ground and cry like a girl for 5 min, then you fine.

Why did the kid flip out at his teachers? We don't know. Maybe they're cruel bullies, and the kid reached the end of his tether (not exactly an uncommon trait for primary school teachers sadly) on the other hand, maybe they did nothing wrong and he just freaked out.
I was raised on the principal that violence should be avoided whenever possible. If he was a grown man then I wouldn't blame the police in the slightest, it's just that he's 8.

True teacher might just be asshole, I've heard alot of people pulling that shit. Still though, I don't see much violence to this, there could have been more violence had the police had to pull a physical take down. But as much as we think mace was to harsh, their is a lot harsher things coming his way now and and most of it is the shit we think should happen.

Edit: that first line came out sarcastic, I mean I heard of teacher of kids with issues (mental or otherwise) being cockwits.

 

[Angry_squirrel]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

Well I can be wrong and there is a good reason I'm no senitor or anything like that, but I was raise on the simple principal, You fuck up, you get a whoopin. (not talk a BEATING beating, good old spanking does the trick.) but seriously, you disobey the cops when they say put it down, well... lesson learned. But yeah you can buy mace in a drug store here, it's literally red pepper juice, in the eye, it hurt, you cry out, you hit ground and cry like a girl for 5 min, then you fine.

Why did the kid flip out at his teachers? We don't know. Maybe they're cruel bullies, and the kid reached the end of his tether (not exactly an uncommon trait for primary school teachers sadly) on the other hand, maybe they did nothing wrong and he just freaked out.
I was raised on the principal that violence should be avoided whenever possible. If he was a grown man then I wouldn't blame the police in the slightest, it's just that he's 8.

True teacher might just be asshole, I've heard alot of people pulling that shit. Still though, I don't see much violence to this, there could have been more violence had the police had to pull a physical take down. But as much as we think mace was to harsh, their is a lot harsher things coming his way now and and most of it is the shit we think should happen.

I can see that I'm not going to change your opinion here, and I don't think there is any chance of me changing mine either, so lets just say what's done is done and each to their own. Thank you, at least, for arguing your point reasonably

 

[madster11]

I've been sprayed before.

Hurts like a *****, but ultimately i was fine after a few hours.

Stop bloody complaining - Tasers do a hell of a lot more damage. I've been hit by a weakened one a friend had and i would MUCH rather be sprayed in the face a few times than have a full-powered police one.

 

[matrix guardian]

S**t, short of shooting a net or something at him, that's about the kindest way they could have stopped him.

That's kind of what I was thinking. (unless perhapse more negotiating him toward sanity would have worked)

I soooooo wish I could find a clip of the scene in Kung Pow when he throws the tiny net on him. "It's a net, and it's tiny!"



EDIT: Hey I found one that will work.
It's the last 10 seconds of this video.

 

[Mechsoap]

I smell bullshit when he was asked about what he did when he was asked to put the stick down at about 4:30

Kinda does, I doubt the police is paranoid enough, to spray a 8 year old who follows orders.

 

[vikeif]

I fail to see how the police failed to restrain him here? and the mace is made so the accidental injuries DON'T happen. Kid maybe be fucked up, but this isn't the consern of the cops, their top priority her was to take the ***** down with damaging him. So they mace em, cuff em, haul him off so others can do their jobs.
seriously, we used to give life for this shit, so kid might need help, but he also doesn't need coddling, hell put his as in the military. Little discipline and some government paid for therapy and kid might come out great.

Maybe I think that pepper spray is worse than it is, as I said, I have no experience with it, but this just seems unnecessary to me. And you don't know that, maybe coddling is exactly what he needs. Not to say that that is the case, no one here can make an informed decision, since, ya'know, we aren't informed.

Well I can be wrong and there is a good reason I'm no senitor or anything like that, but I was raise on the simple principal, You fuck up, you get a whoopin. (not talk a BEATING beating, good old spanking does the trick.) but seriously, you disobey the cops when they say put it down, well... lesson learned. But yeah you can buy mace in a drug store here, it's literally red pepper juice, in the eye, it hurt, you cry out, you hit ground and cry like a girl for 5 min, then you fine.

Why did the kid flip out at his teachers? We don't know. Maybe they're cruel bullies, and the kid reached the end of his tether (not exactly an uncommon trait for primary school teachers sadly) on the other hand, maybe they did nothing wrong and he just freaked out.
I was raised on the principal that violence should be avoided whenever possible. If he was a grown man then I wouldn't blame the police in the slightest, it's just that he's 8.

True teacher might just be asshole, I've heard alot of people pulling that shit. Still though, I don't see much violence to this, there could have been more violence had the police had to pull a physical take down. But as much as we think mace was to harsh, their is a lot harsher things coming his way now and and most of it is the shit we think should happen.

I can see that I'm not going to change your opinion here, and I don't think there is any chance of me changing mine either, so lets just say what's done is done and each to their own. Thank you, at least, for arguing your point reasonably

I was agreeing with you Bully teacher thing, I just noticed it came out sarcastic. I'm just saying I have had my kneecap caved in my my brother with the thin bats they give the little kids for baseball (might be something don't use everywhere.) and yeah, he wasn't even trying as hard as this kid would have been. and my brother was about 61/2-7 years old and a not the strongest little fellow. So the kid could have done serious damage with the adrenaline fueled rage he was on.

and thank you for at least thinking from my reasoning too.

 

[Kinguendo]

Kid gets a lucky shot, to your knee, you go down, now one to your head, your out, kid beat you to death. Yes it is that simple. Maybe you might wanna think your invincible and that the human body is impervious to a hyper active child high on rage and adrenaline, but unless you have lived or worked with a child that unstable and have seen what can be done, you need to not bother acting like you can just walk right though it.

Oh so you are of the belief that children are mini-hulks? So in your mind this kid has the power to hit hard enough to knock an adult to his knees and then knock him out in a single blow? I have seen actual fights with fully grown people using weapons that didnt happen like that... are you under the impression that I have no eyes? I have been attacked by a group of teenagers and none of them hurt me, upon seeing this they ran away and threw stones from a distance... again, relatively painless. Children simply arent capable of doing what you claim they can do. Just walk over and take the stick away... dont stand there and let him attack you as all of your arguments rely on the person doing and also dont let him take steroids for his 8 years of life and you will avoid being attacked by an armed mini-hulk.

 

[Gamblerjoe]

They say they don't know why he has outbursts, and that therapists can't find anything wrong with him mentally. They go on to say that the outbursts most commonly occur when he is transitioning from free time to a structured activity. It sounds like he is getting angry over the same things all 8 year olds get angry over, but is going berserk over them. Sounds to me like pepper spray was long overdue. This may sound callus, but his life will be better if he learns to stop being such a shit. When your behavior is so bad that it becomes debilitating, severe pain with no real physical detriment may be just what the doctor ordered.

 

[vikeif]

Kid gets a lucky shot, to your knee, you go down, now one to your head, your out, kid beat you to death. Yes it is that simple. Maybe you might wanna think your invincible and that the human body is impervious to a hyper active child high on rage and adrenaline, but unless you have lived or worked with a child that unstable and have seen what can be done, you need to not bother acting like you can just walk right though it.

Oh so you are of the belief that children are mini-hulks? So in your mind this kid has the power to hit hard enough to knock an adult to his knees and then knock him out it a single blow? I have seen actual fights with fully grown people using weapons that didnt happen like that... are you under the impression that I have no eyes? I have been attacked by a group of teenagers and none of them hurt me, upon seeing this they ran away and threw stones from a distance... again, relatively painless. Children simply arent capable of doing what you claim they can do. Just walk over and take the stick away... dont stand there and let him attack you as all of your arguments rely on the person doing and also dont let him take steroids for his 8 years of life and you will avoid being attacked by an armed mini-hulk.

They can't!? Well I guess I imagined it when my brother dislocated my kneecap? yes a group of teenage attacked you and you kicked all their asses? so why did you get arrested when then went cryin to their mother's then, assault of a minor is quite serious, and unless you had more people saying you DIDN'T start the fight, I'd say you would be fucked eh? Stop trying your bullshit, bud. I actually do deal with children with issues and mental disorders and yeah, some of the shit I see daily would rock your fragile little world.

Edit: Btw actually read the damn article you might the part of him ripping molding off the walls and such, yes this kid could take down an adult, hell he would probably go for your junk though (Kid don't exactly know how to tactically take down an adult)so I doubt he would think to knee cap you anyway, just wish you'd stop thinking about how it all police failure and think for a sec of how things could go wrong with all the choices they had, mace was the most effective choice with the least chance of anymore wounding.

 

[Soxafloppin]

I'm pretty okay with that, Pepper spray stings and irritates your eyes for a while, its not like they beat him or anything.

 

[Kinguendo]

They can't!? Well I guess I imagined it when my brother dislocated my kneecap? yes a group of teenage attacked you and you kicked all their asses? so why did you get arrested when then went cryin to their mother's then, assault of a minor is quite serious, and unless you had more people saying you DIDN'T start the fight, I'd say you would be fucked eh? Stop trying your bullshit, bud. I actually do deal with children with issues and mental disorders and yeah, some of the shit I see daily would rock your fragile little world.

So you are still doing the "Making up things" argument then?

I never said I kicked anyones ass... I am a pacifist. They attacked me, saw they werent getting anywhere and ran away. End of story.

So yeah, basically you rely on lies to fuel your argument.