Police pepper spray 8 year old

[Zenkem]

Completely justified. Demanding the police to specialize in handling violent maniacs gently is too much to expect. Besides solving the situation safely and effectively, that ought to have given him a better lesson than being hushed down.

 

[Xanthious]

Just heard another interview with mommy and the 8 year old. According to their side:

1) He flipped out on the bus trying to beat on several other kids before being restrained
2) When he got to school he was so mad he flipped out some more, hitting his teacher repeatedly and makin them call for a second teacher
3) He then continued to be abusive to both and the class, that's when police were called
4) He "made a sheild" and "a sword" (the latter being the pointy stick he broke off of the wall) and admitted he intended to hurt people with these
5) When the police came in he admits they told him to put the stuff down so "I tried to stab them"
6) That when the police peppered him

Sounds more justified than ever to me.

The mother freely admitted that he has an anger problem and a long and extensive history of being violent.

When his mother was asked what she thought it meant that the police were called 3 times about her son she said it meant that the "school has a problem"

Denial much?

First off, grats to the mom on blaming everyone but herself and her son. Seriously, this lady needs to have this kid taken away from her so he can be locked away from the rest of society before he does end up hurting someone.

Secondly, if he were an adult that were threatening people with a deadly object and then made a move to attack the police he wouldn't have ended up with pepper spray he would of ended up getting sprayed with hot lead. This kid and his failure of a mother should be falling over with relief that all he got was JUST hit with pepper spray.

Thirdly, when this kid ultimately does hurt or kill someone the fact he may have a mental disorder isn't going to make those people any less hurt or dead. So I say bugger that nonsense that he should be given special treatment or handled differently because of this fact. He SHOULD have been put down like a rabid dog but instead he got off with what amounts to a slap on the wrist.

 

[bdcjacko]

1. They pepper sprayed him twice. Why twice.

2. Why does EVERYONE seem to forget they have this thing called physical bodies? Jesus Christ, you're probably an upwards of 5 9 man who is presumably quite strong compared to an 8 year old, figure your shit out.

Seriously, my reaction as a teacher would be to call other school staff to help, not the fucking police.

Teachers aren't allowed to touch kids any more. If a teach lays their hands on a kid, a shit storm follows. It is probably district policy to call the police if there is a fight or anything like that so the teachers don't get sued.

Yes and adult could have beaten the shit out of the kid, but pepper spray works faster and safer. In this age of litigation pepper spray is the right choice.

I'm pretty sure if the case is "A kid was throwing chairs, so I grabbed him." wouldn't cause too much of a shitstorm. Personally, I would care a bit more about the health of everyone involved than of what the media said about me. Also, why does everyone assume that you have to beat the shit out of an 8 yr old? It's possible to just grab people.
Note, I'm not really against this case, as they actually used a non-lethal weapon. It just brought to mind all the other cases where police seemed to forget there was a grab them option.

Look, I miss the good old days where the teachers took problem children to the board of education or the school board or whatever you call that paddle with the hole in it. But now a days, if a teacher lays a hand on a child, even to hug them, they get sued.

In this can easily see if a teacher did try to grab the kid, a struggle would have ensued and the media would have spun this into "Teacher assult mentally trouble child!!!!"

 

[MaxwellEdison]

Look, I miss the good old days where the teachers took problem children to the board of education or the school board or whatever you call that paddle with the hole in it. But now a days, if a teacher lays a hand on a child, even to hug them, they get sued.

In this can easily see if a teacher did try to grab the kid, a struggle would have ensued and the media would have spun this into "Teacher assult mentally trouble child!!!!"

So? It still would have been a better course of action.

 

[sergnb]

2 good delibered slaps in the face. They would have solved this kid's behaviour.

Instead, we are watching news of police spraying pepper on his fucking face.

 

[bdcjacko]

Look, I miss the good old days where the teachers took problem children to the board of education or the school board or whatever you call that paddle with the hole in it. But now a days, if a teacher lays a hand on a child, even to hug them, they get sued.

In this can easily see if a teacher did try to grab the kid, a struggle would have ensued and the media would have spun this into "Teacher assult mentally trouble child!!!!"

So? It still would have been a better course of action.

I don't follow your logic. How is risking a struggle with weapons better than just pepper spraying a kid and ending it there?

 

[bdcjacko]

2 good delibered slaps in the face. They would have solved this kid's behaviour.

Instead, we are watching news of police spraying pepper on his fucking face.

This is what happens when teachers slap children: http://www.curtisgotslappedbyawhiteteacher.com/

 

[Silver_Runner]

After watching it I have to agree with many that it was justified. The police had to make sure to stop him from becoming a further threat to other kids, teachers, and themselves. What I can't stand however is that his mother likely "allows" for this to happen. While I am not dogging on everyone that is over weight, but if she wants her son to be a good kid she needs to show the same model behavior. Being healthy, respectful, working hard, and knowing consequences. What is the mother doing at home to disipline him, and to make him behave? Is she holding him to the same punishment, or just saying no, then going back to the couch to eat another carton of icecream? Honestly, the family needs to have an intervention of parenting for the kid. He's already had run ins with the police before this, well guess it's showing what his life is going to be like in another ten years.

 

[Exosus]

If you, as a grown-ass man, need pepper spray to restrain an EIGHT YEAR OLD WITH A STICK not only should you not be allowed to be a police officer, you should have your balls revoked. The little bastard is 8 years old he probably weighs like 75 pounds and there were 2 cops. Pepper spray was employed because it sounded like fun, no other reason whatsoever.

 

[Drakulea]

Familiar

THIS is how you deal with these instances of "jerk" rather than "criminal"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mfFErNohIY&feature=related

What do 5 fingers say to the face? ... Correct!

No need for freaking fascist state pepper sprays,tazers and whatnot.

America is far from a fascist state. Try again.

Oh? Familiar with characteristics of fascism are we?

You know like,

"Powerful and Continuing Nationalism" : "Constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays." *cough* America Uber Alles, Manifest Destiny *cough*

Or, "Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights" : "Because of fear of enemies and the need for security the people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc." *cough* Guantanamo,Abu Ghraib *cough*

Or, "Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause" : "The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities" *cough* War on Islam..err (T)error *cough*

Or, "Supremacy of the Military" : "Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. " *cough* The Few,The Proud , The Ubermench The US MarineSS *cough*

Or "Obsession with National Security" : "Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses." *cough* Terror Alert Brown, everybody soil their pants! Quick! Be afraid! *cough*

Or "Corporate Power is Protected" : "The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite." *cough* KBR,Blackwater/Xe *cough*

Or "Obsession with Crime and Punishment" : "The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. " *cough* no-oversight domestic espionage program *cough*

Or "Rampant Cronyism and Corruption" : "Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability." *cough* Billions of "reconstruction" dollars missing *cough*

Right... Land of the Brave/ Home of the Free. Sure.

Back on topic : It was overkill on an 8 year old kid.

 

[MaxwellEdison]

Look, I miss the good old days where the teachers took problem children to the board of education or the school board or whatever you call that paddle with the hole in it. But now a days, if a teacher lays a hand on a child, even to hug them, they get sued.

In this can easily see if a teacher did try to grab the kid, a struggle would have ensued and the media would have spun this into "Teacher assult mentally trouble child!!!!"

So? It still would have been a better course of action.

I don't follow your logic. How is risking a struggle with weapons better than just pepper spraying a kid and ending it there?

I just don't think it would be THAT difficult to restrain him. As I've already said earlier, I'm not really against their action here, as they did use non-lethal force and end the situation.

 

[bdcjacko]

Familiar

THIS is how you deal with these instances of "jerk" rather than "criminal"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mfFErNohIY&feature=related

What do 5 fingers say to the face? ... Correct!

No need for freaking fascist state pepper sprays,tazers and whatnot.

America is far from a fascist state. Try again.

Oh? Familiar with characteristics of fascism are we?

You know like,

"Powerful and Continuing Nationalism" : "Constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays." *cough* America Uber Alles, Manifest Destiny *cough*

Or, "Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights" : "Because of fear of enemies and the need for security the people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc." *cough* Guantanamo,Abu Ghraib *cough*

Or, "Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause" : "The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities" *cough* War on Islam..err (T)error *cough*

Or, "Supremacy of the Military" : "Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. " *cough* The Few,The Proud , The Ubermench The US MarineSS *cough*

Or "Obsession with National Security" : "Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses." *cough* Terror Alert Brown, everybody soil their pants! Quick! Be afraid! *cough*

Or "Corporate Power is Protected" : "The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite." *cough* KBR,Blackwater/Xe *cough*

Or "Obsession with Crime and Punishment" : "The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. " *cough* no-oversight domestic espionage program *cough*

Or "Rampant Cronyism and Corruption" : "Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability." *cough* Billions of "reconstruction" dollars missing *cough*

Right... Land of the Brave/ Home of the Free. Sure.

Back on topic : It was overkill on an 8 year old kid.

Seriously...if you think America is fascist, then you have a very skewed world view. And if you think pepper spray is over kill, you are just trying to find reasons to hate the police and America.

 

[supermariner]

i have no idea about the legal right of the police to use pepper spray in this situation given his age and subsequently meagre threat level
but from a personal point of view they were fully justified in spraying him in his angry little face
it's not like he's had his face torn off by it, it just stung like hell for a while (presumably)
and it succeeded in controlling the sitaution

fair enough if he can't control his mood swings
but he should accept that it was fully justified

 

[ChaoticLegion]

I don't think you should use it in a situation that doesn't call for leathal force. Same with tasers.

However neither of the above 2 mentioned methods of yours are lethal, which is exactly the point. They are meant to be used to deal with situations that get out of hand without requiring the use of lethal force.

OT: I believe in this situation, although the general tag line "8 year old pepper sprayed" may sound at first somewhat shocking, it is entirely justifiable. The pepper spray quickly diffuses the situation, leaves the child with no permanent damage (merely very short term discomfort), and also ensures no one else sustains damage.
If you weigh up the scenario, yes he may only be 8 years old, but if he is wielding a sharpened stick then all it takes is one lucky jab (either to the eyes or between the ribs) to cause even an adult a permanently disabling or even in the worst case scenario life threatening injury.
In this case even the child is smart enough to admit that the pepper spray was not unnecessary force to be used against him and that they were justified in doing so in the situation. (Watch the video, he states that he deserved it).

 

[bdcjacko]

I just don't think it would be THAT difficult to restrain him. As I've already said earlier, I'm not really against their action here, as they did use non-lethal force and end the situation.

I think in all likelihood, you are right, it wouldn't have been hard. But again you can't think so simplistically in a situation like this. Because we do live in a sue happy time. School policy comes into effect, having to take charge of a media storm, and it isn't ever about what happened, but what could have happened.

But yes you would think knocking the little bastard down would have been easy.

 

[ThreeWords]

Admittedly, it's better than beating the crap outta the kid, but there's an important point to be made. This kid is 8 years old. I severely doubt that anyone is justified in calling an 8 year old a serious threat. These are police officers, trained to take down murderous thugs. If they need pepper spray to deal with an 8 year old, there's something wrong with the local police.

A pair of teachers trained to deal with troubled students overpowered by an 8 year old?

I call shenanigans.

This also. Two trained teahcers > one angry kid. If that doesn't hold, then I can tell what's gone wrong here.

 

[PinkiePyro]

facepalm police went too far

also get that kid checked out lady

my 2 cents on the kids behavor eather he has anger issuses or that was a panic attack and he needs consuling

 

[Gitty101]

I'm with the police on this one. Despite his age, he was still violent to the extent that people feared for their safety. He looks like he's suffered no abnormal effects so there should be no problem with this.

His Mother on the other hand...

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

Doctors and therapists have evaluated the boy, she said, and can find no cause for his periodic outbursts. ?They all say there?s nothing mentally wrong with him.?

So the kid's an angry **** and went on a rampage threatening to kill the teachers with a sharp stick after ripping the school up a bit over something he doesn't even remember and the police are being attacked for it?

The police were justified in what they did. They could have sent in that special unit but they didn't and the officers did what they could without touching the kid and being accused of something else.

 

[Drakulea]

Familiar

THIS is how you deal with these instances of "jerk" rather than "criminal"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mfFErNohIY&feature=related

What do 5 fingers say to the face? ... Correct!

No need for freaking fascist state pepper sprays,tazers and whatnot.

America is far from a fascist state. Try again.

Oh? Familiar with characteristics of fascism are we?

You know like,

"Powerful and Continuing Nationalism" : "Constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays." *cough* America Uber Alles, Manifest Destiny *cough*

Or, "Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights" : "Because of fear of enemies and the need for security the people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc." *cough* Guantanamo,Abu Ghraib *cough*

Or, "Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause" : "The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities" *cough* War on Islam..err (T)error *cough*

Or, "Supremacy of the Military" : "Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. " *cough* The Few,The Proud , The Ubermench The US MarineSS *cough*

Or "Obsession with National Security" : "Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses." *cough* Terror Alert Brown, everybody soil their pants! Quick! Be afraid! *cough*

Or "Corporate Power is Protected" : "The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite." *cough* KBR,Blackwater/Xe *cough*

Or "Obsession with Crime and Punishment" : "The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. " *cough* no-oversight domestic espionage program *cough*

Or "Rampant Cronyism and Corruption" : "Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability." *cough* Billions of "reconstruction" dollars missing *cough*

Right... Land of the Brave/ Home of the Free. Sure.

Back on topic : It was overkill on an 8 year old kid.

Seriously...if you think America is fascist, then you have a very skewed world view. And if you think pepper spray is over kill, you are just trying to find reasons to hate the police and America.

You're some kind of hardened hooligan that you treat a peppering so lightly? Or in general having the police barge over you. I don't know about you, but when a policeman, you know, comes at you to immobilize or incapacitate you, it's because of something serious, like starting a bar brawl or catching you in the act of stealing something.

Not being an 8 freaking year old with an attitude problem, no matter how serious that problem is. You don't pepper spray a kid. You grab his stick from his hand or whatever, lift him up and put him in a corner and give him a good yelling to if necessary.

You pepper spray a tall drunken goon bent on trouble, not a kid whose testicles haven't even dropped.