[POLITICS] Brexit deadline

[Seanchaidh]

So, uh... what's going on with Brexit? I guess there's some kind of a deadline that is passing? Does a failure to endorse a deal here mean the UK is for sure out with no deal? What will it mean for the future of the UK?

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I'd post in the Brexit thread about this topic, but it was lost in the Great Purge.

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[Satinavian]

Tpday is the last day to sign the withdrawal agreement and start withdrawing May 22nd. Originally friday was not meant to have parliament buissness but they made an exception after they managed wednesday to refuse all 8 other ideas of how to proceed.

So it gets voted on. May promised to step down if that gets the deal approved.

If they don't. There are two options :

They ask for a loooong extension and participate in the next European election, which they can only do if they manage to have a clear idea about what to do until 12. of April.

They leave without a deal on 12. of April.

 

[Agema]

So, uh... what's going on with Brexit?

The EU gave the UK another fortnight pretty much free to sort its shit out. Don't count on it happening.

If the UK can't pass anything meaningful today, it will probably have to either ask for a BIG extention (~1 year) with a promise for some sort of radical change such as a referendum or general election, or it's a no deal crash out on 12th April. Theresa May has tried to split up the exit deal into components to vote on: if parliament can pass something vaguely meaningful that indicates some sort of progress, it might get a shorter extention to 22nd May.

Interestingly, half those stand-up, honourable hard Brexiters have agreed to back the PM's despised deal on the promise she resigns... because that's how principled their objection to the deal was. No crisis big enough to deter their personal ambition! However, I think she still can't pass it - still too much opposition.

 

[Satinavian]

Interestingly, half those stand-up, honourable hard Brexiters have agreed to back the PM's despised deal on the promise she resigns... because that's how principled their objection to the deal was. No crisis big enough to deter their personal ambition! However, I think she still can't pass it - still too much opposition.

Of course.

This way they can come to power and still blame everything wrong with Brexit on May. That is exactly what they always wanted.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

we have a PM who has shown themselves too weak to even resign. That's a whole new level of astonishing incompetence. Not sure if it's any more or less worrying than some of the harder brexiters referring to themselves as grand wizards though

what a shitfest of cunts

 

[Agema]

This way they can come to power and still blame everything wrong with Brexit on May. That is exactly what they always wanted.

Possibly. I suspect there's another long game they were eyeing.

Tory hard Brexiters tend to be very free market ideologically. I suspect what appealed might have been to take power and a) somehow orchestrate a no deal anyway and b) get in there and shape Brexit as quickly as possible, like selling the country to whatever demands Trump made for a trade deal. Then probably slash the crap out of taxes and social spending - these guys couldn't give a damn about throwing the less affluent to the worst vicissitudes of capitalist competition.

One way or another, the vote today has failed by a margin of 58. The UK Parliament has resolved nothing, again.

I honestly don't see any answer to no deal at this point except a long extention to Brexit based on the promise of one or more of a) new referendum, b) general election, c) massive Parliamentary reorganisation (e.g. formation of a grand coalition Conservatives & Labour). And (c) is incredibly unlikely.

 

[BreakfastMan]

I think brexit is good. I love it and want to see it happen.

 

[Agema]

I think brexit is good.

Indeed it is - for the US agriculture and pharmaceutical industries, Russia, and possibly China.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

I'm very excited for Brexit.

I'll be taking a vacation to Scotland to buy large quantities of nice Scotch as the pound is depreciating and Scotland is trying to get back into the EU.

 

[Dalisclock]

I know it's not funny but the whole thing comes across as some bizarre political soap opera at times. Especially where apparently Parliament voted on No Deal, May's deal and a bunch of other permutations and literally all the votes came in as NO.

They apparently know what they don't want but no idea what they do. I'm kinda amazed by the fact this has apparently been going on for 2 years at this point and pretty much nothing has been resolved. Yes, I realize it's tricky for a number of reasons(among them being the Irish Border) but damn, one would think eventually they'd get serious about this and pick a damn option already.

And I say this as an American who has our own share of idiots in Congress(not to mention the YUUUUGGGGGGGGEEEEEE Idiot in the white house).

 

[Trunkage]

I like how every MP voted against all 8 possible options going forward. Fun times.

We'll see what Monday brings.

 

[Agema]

Would you believe that Theresa May is going to try for a fourth vote? What on earth is wrong with that woman?

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

How long until we call it off and just agree to stay in the EU?

 

[Baffle]

Would you believe that Theresa May is going to try for a fourth vote? What on earth is wrong with that woman?

She's broken and no one can find the manual.

 

[Dalisclock]

How long until we call it off and just agree to stay in the EU?

I mean, to me that would be the logical option. If you can't agree on a good exit plan and you aren't prepared, stay until you do. The exit door will be there later if you really want to go.

Right now it looks like a crash out is gonna happen despite nobody being ready for it because nobody can agree on anything, which sounds like a terrible plan.

But I'm not British or an MP, so what do I know?

 

[Baffle]

But I'm not British or an MP, so what do I know?

More than 52% the voting public!

 

[TheIronRuler]

Leave. Face the consequences. Move on. Most importantly, stop panicking.

It's obvious the MPs don't want to deal with this issue, making another vote won't change it. I guess politicians want to pin the oncoming disaster on a particular political movement, and use it as fodder for the future.

You can't have a second referendum on the exact same thing if you didn't like what the first referendum decided. That's disregarding the democratic process. Those that advocated for a second referendum should have been more active during the first one.

I'll wait and see how this ends up.

We could all be wrong about this. This sort of thing was never done before.

 

[Silvanus]

Leave. Face the consequences. Move on. Most importantly, stop panicking.

Leave how? This entire situation was caused by the 'Leave' option not being defined at all during the Referendum, meaning that people were voting to leave for wildly different reasons.

Merely restating that we should leave, still without defining it, means approximately bugger all.

 

[Seanchaidh]

You can't have a second referendum on the exact same thing if you didn't like what the first referendum decided. That's disregarding the democratic process. Those that advocated for a second referendum should have been more active during the first one.

The democratic process is to not hold a vote and stick with a previous decision?

 

[Agema]

You can't have a second referendum on the exact same thing if you didn't like what the first referendum decided.

Maybe not. But you can have a second referendum on the basis of "Now we've got a much better idea of what this means, we'd like to reconsider." There is nothing undemocratic about allowing the a change of mind once people have more information to base their decision on.

Secondly, you have have a referendum to ask a different question: specifically, "Now we know exactly what the leave options actually are, what do you prefer?" It's also valid to add to this referendum the option of not leaving because (as per the above) it turns out all the leave options are worse.