Lil devils x said:
Someone pinning you down is reason to feel threatened. How can a person flee when pinned down?
Again, I don't hate the idea of a justifiable shoot. But like it was said, we don't have words of actually what pinned down means. We don't even have a consensus of the fight
The fight stemmed from a long-simmering feud with a female co-worker, Ebony Jemison, 23, over a man who worked at the same company. Ms. Jones spotted Ms. Jemison in the parking lot and started a fight with her, according to a law enforcement officer with direct knowledge of the investigation who did not want to be identified. By the officer?s account, Ms. Jones was winning the fight and had Ms. Jemison pinned in her car.
After taking repeated blows, the officer said, Ms. Jemison reached for a gun, and fired point blank into Ms. Jones?s stomach. Ms. Jones was driven to a hospital in a car that apparently broke down on the way. Paramedics eventually arrived and took her to a hospital, but her fetus ? struck by a bullet ? died.
This account of the fight differs from others that have been offered in recent days, which have suggested that Ms. Jemison fired a warning shot at the ground and the bullet bounced up and hit Ms. Jones in the belly.
(Source [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/30/us/alabama-woman-marshae-jones.html])
Even in that quote, the fight isn't properly defined. The officer says one thing, but witnesses say other things. Completely different things. A warning shot that bounced from the street into her stomach? I mean, that's easy to disprove by just examining the scene to see if there's any bullet strikes in the floor. But the truth is Witness Testimony is sadly only as believable as much as you want to believe the person saying it.
But hey, the Huff Post supports it.
She said the argument had been about the unborn child's father and began when Jones spotted Ebony and jumped out of a car to attack her.
She said: "Ebony was afraid for her life and reached in her purse for the gun. She tried to fire a warning shot to get away from her."
But the shot ? which Earka says was aimed at the ground ? ricocheted into Jones instead.
(Source [https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/alabama-shooting-activists-defend-mother-charged-with-manslaughter-after-unborn-baby-dies-in-shooting_uk_5d15db45e4b082e553678100r])
But in the quote we're now taking as fact posted earlier in this thread, even that differs from these accounts entirely.
davidmc1158 said:
Well, there's been an update in this sad state of affairs: They've decided to drop the charges against her.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48849040
In regards to the question of whether or not the use of a firearms was justified . . . . well, a little more information is here but details are still somewhat sparse. As stated in the article:
The altercation on 4 December happened outside a Dollar General store where both Ms Jones and the shooter, Ebony Jemison, worked.
Police ruled that Ms Jones had started the fight and hit Ms Jemison, then pinned her against a car.
They said Ms Jemison had then reached for a gun and fired point-blank into Ms Jones's stomach.
An unnamed police source told the New York Times that the feud had started over a man with whom they both worked.
Jemison said before she was trying to fire a warning shot, now it was point blank in the stomach. Where they in the car or against the car? Was it just a hit and a pin, or was it raining down blows and she was in her car? Was she pinned down to the point that she couldn't escape... but had the ability to reach and rummage through her purse, take off the safety (I hope), cock it and fire?
Hey, I'll say that raining down blows and being trapped in a car is a much more plausible decision for deciding to use lethal force. There is limited ability to escape, and we already know one blow can be deadly, but several in quick succession is a massive call for alarm.
But here's the thing. Read each of these articles. Who has it right? Who is even close to it? The Huff Post stated the warning shot ricocheted into Jones. BBC and NY Times has the shot being fired into Jones point blank. Which contradicts Jemison's own account [https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/pregnant-woman-shot-alabama-manslaughter-jones-jemison] that she tried to fire a warning shot and didn't mean to shot Jones.
And also the fact that Jemison herself said that Jones grabbed her hair. Not pinned her against the car. I've looked for her testimony, but the only version of it I've seen was the Buzzfeed article where she never mentioned being pinned.
I don't think Jones is some hapless innocent victim. If those texts are true, she sought this encounter. I wish didn't it come to any kind of violence, but People are going to People. My issue is that the entire incident is muddied. We don't have one clear account of how anything went down. The Defense said he has a cell phone video of Jones backing away [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/us/charges-dropped-alabama-woman-pregnant.html] from the situation before the shot. If so, I hope he still releases it so we can have some real knowledge of what happened.
But from various accounts, including seemingly conflicting accounts from Jemison herself, the only facts we know for a fact is that Jemison and Jones had an altercation and Jones was shot. And we're here grasping at second-hand accounts and the "I was afraid for my life" defense tactic that they basically burn onto your soul if you take the CCW course in one of these Stand Your Ground states makes me uneasy with everything.
We used one article sans any evidence or video proof other than a police account that contradicts other articles and accounts (and even Jemison's own testimony) to say "Oh, ok. Justified Shooting". That worries me.
