[POLITICS] Two Mass Shootings in 15 Hours, and O'Rourke on Trump

[Leg End]

Lucky you. If only they were half-way responsible law makers.

Hell man, I'd rather we have idiots that can't do anything over competent people that know how to fuck us over, then proceed to. Controlled idiocy!

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ohio-gop-mass-shootings-trans-people-gay-marriage_n_5d481fbfe4b0acb57fcfe3e1

"The breakdown of the traditional American family (thank you, transgender, homosexual marriage, and drag queen advocates); fatherlessness, a subject no one discuses or believes is relevant; the ignoring of violent video games; the relaxing of laws against criminals (open borders); the acceptance of recreational marijuana; failed school policies (hello parents who defend misbehaving students); disrespect to law enforcement (thank you, Obama); hatred of our veterans (thank you, professional athletes who hate our flag and National Anthem); the Dem Congress, many members whom are open anti-Semitic; the culture, which totally ignores the importance of God and the church (until they elect a President); state officeholders, who have no interest whatsoever in learning about our Constitution and the Second Amendement; and snowflakes, who can?t accept a duly-elected President"

Really doubling down on your public relations there aren't you lady?

Just gonna quote Sheriff Richard Jones from the same article:

"Those people aren't even buried yet and she came out with these comments. ... She should resign because she doesn't represent our party.
...
She doesn't represent me, she doesn't represent our community, she doesn't represent the state or the country."

And then the Ohio AG:

[tweet t="https://twitter.com/Yost4Ohio/status/1158352003636113408"]

 

[Saelune]

Tweet Snip for space

Oh blow it out your ass, Donald.

Trump is blaming the internet, video games, and immigrants for this.

Video Snip for space


-Video Game blame at about 6:04

He definitely did not write this speech, but it has his BS touch to it. Parts of it are hypocritical, hell a good chunk of it sounds like it is a condemnation of Trump's government.

Same as above. Christ.

Targeting the ones who fund the NRA, yes. But very few Americans actually support them. You cannot use such a defense while also attacking portions of Americans.

Not really attacking any portions of Americans here, outside the very exclusive club of mass shooters that I don't think you'd classify as a group for the purpose of that statement. NRA/2AF/GOA funders put their money where their mouth is and support legal defense of the 2A. Not different from any other group that funds other organizations to protect other rights, especially where other organizations fall short on certain ones.

All mass shootings in the US are political because it's your politicians that let you keep doing it to each other.

They're not our parents/God.

Reconsidering your support of him?

 

[Saelune]

Trump is blaming... video games...

Oh good grief.

It's amazing that shit still has any traction, but I guess he may as well throw as much shit at the wall as possible. He'll be right back to talking about Hispanic invasions, nuking America's enemies and punching journalists the minute he can raise a cheer.

It should also be noted that Trump is very much politicizing this tragedy...to encourage more hate, in the same speech that he far too late is condemning bigotry and hate in a speech he clearly did not write. Surprised someone managed to get him to actually read a speech though.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

He's blaming video games?! B..b..but I thought only LIBERALS did that! But he's our God Emperor! G[REDACTED] told me that Republicans are our allies in the culture war against ess jay dubyas! I'm so confused?!

 

[Saelune]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ohio-gop-mass-shootings-trans-people-gay-marriage_n_5d481fbfe4b0acb57fcfe3e1

"The breakdown of the traditional American family (thank you, transgender, homosexual marriage, and drag queen advocates); fatherlessness, a subject no one discuses or believes is relevant; the ignoring of violent video games; the relaxing of laws against criminals (open borders); the acceptance of recreational marijuana; failed school policies (hello parents who defend misbehaving students); disrespect to law enforcement (thank you, Obama); hatred of our veterans (thank you, professional athletes who hate our flag and National Anthem); the Dem Congress, many members whom are open anti-Semitic; the culture, which totally ignores the importance of God and the church (until they elect a President); state officeholders, who have no interest whatsoever in learning about our Constitution and the Second Amendement; and snowflakes, who can?t accept a duly-elected President"

Really doubling down on your public relations there aren't you lady?

I thought it was straight white men who were the oppressed ones?

I mean, this woman is almost literally hitting every single checkbox of why I criticize Republicans.

 

[gyrobot_v1legacy]

He's blaming video games?! B..b..but I thought only LIBERALS did that! But he's our God Emperor! G[REDACTED] told me that Republicans are our allies in the culture war against ess jay dubyas! I'm so confused?!

On the bright side. At least thise fuckers on 8chan are finally gone at last as they have been kicked off the internet and forced to back to the nether regions of Tor

 

[Jarrito3002]

These two shootings show that we have a lot to unpack here. This goes from the raise of domestic terrorist, white supremacist rhetoric on the raise under the border security argument, any sort of comprehensive gun control is dead in the water and the president continues to be a bad parody.

Maybe there is a way. My fellow black people we have the take the bullet on this sardonic humour intentional to get some change in gun control. Like when the Black Panthers stood on the steps and the NRA and Reagan moved assualt bans and limitation so fast it was not even funny.

Also to hell to anyone trying to make it another right vs left with the two shooters. Your already poisoning a well of shit and not even adding anything of value.

I can't wait for a certain segment to turn on Trump because he attacked vidja gamez not the other shit but win is a win.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

I don't really trust police to hit the side of a barn, is a major issue with relying on that.

One of the most bizarre arguments I've ever seen: "Police, with their hundreds of hours of training, are utterly worthless. This is why we need crowds of comparatively untrained and green civilians carrying around guns."

 

[Jarrito3002]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ohio-gop-mass-shootings-trans-people-gay-marriage_n_5d481fbfe4b0acb57fcfe3e1

"The breakdown of the traditional American family (thank you, transgender, homosexual marriage, and drag queen advocates); fatherlessness, a subject no one discuses or believes is relevant; the ignoring of violent video games; the relaxing of laws against criminals (open borders); the acceptance of recreational marijuana; failed school policies (hello parents who defend misbehaving students); disrespect to law enforcement (thank you, Obama); hatred of our veterans (thank you, professional athletes who hate our flag and National Anthem); the Dem Congress, many members whom are open anti-Semitic; the culture, which totally ignores the importance of God and the church (until they elect a President); state officeholders, who have no interest whatsoever in learning about our Constitution and the Second Amendement; and snowflakes, who can?t accept a duly-elected President"

Really doubling down on your public relations there aren't you lady?

That is too parody to be real. Like usually its one or two of those dipshit points assclowns use but the whole tirarde together damn just damn. And I know she is not an isolated case that point of view is all over Murica to the same insane degree so no shock from me.

Really doubling down on your public relations there aren't you lady?

Just gonna quote Sheriff Richard Jones from the same article:

"Those people aren't even buried yet and she came out with these comments. ... She should resign because she doesn't represent our party.
...
She doesn't represent me, she doesn't represent our community, she doesn't represent the state or the country."

And then the Ohio AG:

[tweet t="https://twitter.com/Yost4Ohio/status/1158352003636113408"]

Good for him but that is all lip service. Again she is not isolated plenty in his party, in that state and in this country are nodding for her "telling it like it is". Again respect to the guy for having some deceny and values but sometimes you got to weary of your company.

 

[Leg End]

Yes, given the context, it might not be clear. I do mean that the president of the USA encourages hate and violence.

Thanks for the clarification. I can barely read anymore so stuff just gets jumbled up.

On the bright side. At least thise fuckers on 8chan are finally gone

Wouldn't count on it. Even if it means just slapping the site up without protection, it's probably going back up until the server explodes.

at last as they have been kicked off the internet and forced to back to the nether regions of Tor

Not even close, man. They're using chat services until the site comes back up, or jumped ship to other sites for a bit. All this has done is drive these same people into still readily-accessible gathering spots outside of the public eye, and bring down the site for all the other boards of people that aren't /pol/. It's worse all around.

One of the most bizarre arguments I've ever seen: "Police, with their hundreds of hours of training, are utterly worthless. This is why we need crowds of comparatively untrained and green civilians carrying around guns."

Hundreds of hours of crap training spread across numerous subjects versus the guys that shoot regularly for fun and practice on this specific subject. The idea that police officers are elite humans is a myth, and I know who I'd trust over cops that stay outside when the bullets fly.

 

[Erttheking]

I don't really trust police to hit the side of a barn, is a major issue with relying on that.

One of the most bizarre arguments I've ever seen: "Police, with their hundreds of hours of training, are utterly worthless. This is why we need crowds of comparatively untrained and green civilians carrying around guns."

People tend to vastly overestimate their own abilities. A problem I notice with America is many gun owners seem to think they're John McClane and that when the moment comes, they'll be able to stop all the bad guys.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.


The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA (and the politicians they bribe), so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

 

[09philj]

Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.

The harder it is for extremist literature to be disseminated the less likely radicalisation is to occur. Places where it's hosted will continue to pop up but if they can't rely on a big host to manage their traffic and stop DDOS or other low tech attacks then they won't have the same impact.

I don't really trust police to hit the side of a barn, is a major issue with relying on that.

One of the most bizarre arguments I've ever seen: "Police, with their hundreds of hours of training, are utterly worthless. This is why we need crowds of comparatively untrained and green civilians carrying around guns."

People tend to vastly overestimate their own abilities. A problem I notice with America is many gun owners seem to think they're John McClane and that when the moment comes, they'll be able to stop all the bad guys.

While simultaneously wildly overestimating the amount of firepower necessary to complete any given firearms related task. (Also AR-15 derivatives will be recommended for everything, including taking game which is probably too large for 5.56?45mm NATO to cleanly kill)

 

[Trunkage]

Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.


The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA, so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

Ah, but the wasps will go somewhere else. Gab has the same issue but takes no responsibility for when one of its clients shoots people. Sure, they might not be encouraging any of these maniacs, but they aren't condemning them, especially before it happens. I can imagine that most people don't want their legacy to be encouraging shootings, even unintentionally. These shooters love have their voices heard. It's why they shoot people. The MSM and places like Gab are just fuel to their personal martyrdom. It kinda reminds me of President Garfield's assassin. 'I am the Stalwart of the Stalwarts.'

Also, homes are built for breeding. Sure, destroying the nest might not stop the current wasps but it's going to stop them breeding for a while. Wasps only breed if they are given a chance to make a home again. It is interesting that the creator of 8chan, who created it based on concerns of Freedom of Speech, now realises that Freedom of Speech is dangerous. He probably realised that he'd be first in line for the gas chambers.

It's funny how the NRA blames video games. You know, becuase both are about handling weapons, whether IRL or virtual.. It's like their shooting themselves in the foot. I also find it funny that NRA keeps not coming up with their own solutions to the problem and just worries about those libtards taking their guns away

 

[Leg End]

It's funny how the NRA blames video games. You know, becuase both are about handling weapons, whether IRL or virtual.. It's like their shooting themselves in the foot.

Timestamp relevant.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.


The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA, so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

Ah, but the wasps will go somewhere else. Gab has the same issue but takes no responsibility for when one of its clients shoots people. Sure, they might not be encouraging any of these maniacs, but they aren't condemning them, especially before it happens. I can imagine that most people don't want their legacy to be encouraging shootings, even unintentionally. These shooters love have their voices heard. It's why they shoot people. The MSM and places like Gab are just fuel to their personal martyrdom. It kinda reminds me of President Garfield's assassin. 'I am the Stalwart of the Stalwarts.'

Also, homes are built for breeding. Sure, destroying the nest might not stop the current wasps but it's going to stop them breeding for a while. Wasps only breed if they are given a chance to make a home again. It is interesting that the creator of 8chan, who created it based on concerns of Freedom of Speech, now realises that Freedom of Speech is dangerous. He probably realised that he'd be first in line for the gas chambers.

It's funny how the NRA blames video games. You know, becuase both are about handling weapons, whether IRL or virtual.. It's like their shooting themselves in the foot. I also find it funny that NRA keeps not coming up with their own solutions to the problem and just worries about those libtards taking their guns away

That's my point, they will go somewhere else, and you can't cut down the entire forest cause there's wasps in a couple trees to ensure they have nowhere to go cause then we won't have any apples or wood or oxygen.

Freedom of speech is not dangerous, or if you want to describe some of it's side-effects as such, it still is the least dangerous situation we can have, like how democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other ones.

When you ban people, they don't stop to self-reflect and change their minds. They go further underground and become even more radicalized. You have to address the core issue why there are such people to begin with, not try to deal with the symptoms.

 

[Gergar12_v1legacy]

You cut down 8chan, then there's 4chan, you cut down 4chan, then you would need to police Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Patreon and youtube, and then they will use TOR to go into the dark web.

Get rid of the most capable guns especially semi-automatic handguns, and semi-automatic rifles, and magazines with more than 5 rounds. And then do an Australian style gun buyback.

Edit: Also Beto is right the president is a white supremacist, he loves immigration from Norway, but not Latin America, and the middle east. He used to be friends with Steve Bannon, but the problem is large sums of the republican party do believe in a version of it. They don't like Latinos, and people from the Middle East.

We need to oust the NRA from power, and we need to win back the Senate, and keep the House, and pressure SCOTUS to do the right thing on 2A.

Edit: and obviously beat Trump in 2020 with an actual democrat who doesn't cower to republicans.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ohio-gop-mass-shootings-trans-people-gay-marriage_n_5d481fbfe4b0acb57fcfe3e1

"The breakdown of the traditional American family (thank you, transgender, homosexual marriage, and drag queen advocates); fatherlessness, a subject no one discuses or believes is relevant; the ignoring of violent video games; the relaxing of laws against criminals (open borders); the acceptance of recreational marijuana; failed school policies (hello parents who defend misbehaving students); disrespect to law enforcement (thank you, Obama); hatred of our veterans (thank you, professional athletes who hate our flag and National Anthem); the Dem Congress, many members whom are open anti-Semitic; the culture, which totally ignores the importance of God and the church (until they elect a President); state officeholders, who have no interest whatsoever in learning about our Constitution and the Second Amendement; and snowflakes, who can?t accept a duly-elected President"

Really doubling down on your public relations there aren't you lady?

Legit thought that was the manifesto of one of the shooters until I read the article. Jesus wept...

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

TIL that the US is the only country in the world with violent video games, homosexual marriage, transgender people, marijuana, lax immigration laws etc. So naturally, mass shootings happen in this bizarre world filled to the brim with all those things unique to it.

What a dumb fuckin' *****.

 

[Trunkage]

Closing down 8chan is like cutting down the tree with the wasp nest on it and thinking there's not gonna be any more wasps. It was prolly a sucky tree, sure, but that's not gonna address your wasp problem.


The attack on videogames is a usual deflection of the NRA, so that doesn't surprise me. It's the same politicians who are suck in the 90s in their politics that use those attacks, they're almost cliche at this point. They're not a serious threat.

Ah, but the wasps will go somewhere else. Gab has the same issue but takes no responsibility for when one of its clients shoots people. Sure, they might not be encouraging any of these maniacs, but they aren't condemning them, especially before it happens. I can imagine that most people don't want their legacy to be encouraging shootings, even unintentionally. These shooters love have their voices heard. It's why they shoot people. The MSM and places like Gab are just fuel to their personal martyrdom. It kinda reminds me of President Garfield's assassin. 'I am the Stalwart of the Stalwarts.'

Also, homes are built for breeding. Sure, destroying the nest might not stop the current wasps but it's going to stop them breeding for a while. Wasps only breed if they are given a chance to make a home again. It is interesting that the creator of 8chan, who created it based on concerns of Freedom of Speech, now realises that Freedom of Speech is dangerous. He probably realised that he'd be first in line for the gas chambers.

It's funny how the NRA blames video games. You know, becuase both are about handling weapons, whether IRL or virtual.. It's like their shooting themselves in the foot. I also find it funny that NRA keeps not coming up with their own solutions to the problem and just worries about those libtards taking their guns away

That's my point, they will go somewhere else, and you can't cut down the entire forest cause there's wasps in a couple trees to ensure they have nowhere to go cause then we won't have any apples or wood or oxygen.

Freedom of speech is not dangerous, or if you want to describe some of it's side-effects as such, it still is the least dangerous situation we can have, like how democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other ones.

When you ban people, they don't stop to self-reflect and change their minds. They go further underground and become even more radicalized. You have to address the core issue why there are such people to begin with, not try to deal with the symptoms.

If you havent noticed, discussing points with people radicalizes them too. In fact, from what I've heard from ex-Alt righters and ex-Incels, the only thing that change is someone getting shot by another RW or Incel and someone holding that incident up to their face and saying, 'this is where you are going.' There is no argument, shaming is the correct course. In other words, the best way to deradicalize people is for more people to get shot.