Poll: An objective view or relationships?

[omega 616]

Edit. I have thought of a better phrase than "Logic", "an objective view".

I am an opinionated guy, so I often end up in arguments with people and I happen to be on facebook alot.

So, I end up in these positions were I make some kind of point/argument/comment and end up in an arguemnt with some person, then there family/friends get involved and instead of taking an objective look at what is going on they leap to the defence of that person, even if there in the wrong.

I try not to call names 'cos I think it's very childish to start saying things like " your a stupid fucking dick", were has that got anybody? I may call somebody a sheep or something but it's more to prove a point than insult.

I like to just list facts and base my arguments on that.

Spoiler: For example

a friend of mine put something like "Think yourself better" and considering placebo effects and basic psychology it works, her sister puts "Or drink" yourself positive, I am agaisnt alcohol for many reasons so I put "that usualy causes more problems".

I am now getting called all sorts of stuff 'cos I made a simple comment, I then made the mistake of trying to calm the situation by saying "It's just my view, there no need to be aggresive about it". A few hours later my "friend" kicks the thing back off by backing her sister, I made a simple comment then tried to stop the argument, her sister was aggresive and offensive.

A few days later I am still in the wrong when I message my "friend" asking her to delete the post insulting me more, she replied with a "just FUCK OFF!"

So what do you do when your family/friends cause a fight even though there in the wrong? Do you correct your family/friend or back your family/friend and join in on the flipping out?

From all of my experiances, people always choose there closest relationships.

(please don't be putting things like "you need new friends", 'cos were not friends, we know each other)

 

[Nimcha]

I think your problem is you're arguing on Facebook.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I think your problem is you're arguing on Facebook.

/thread


It's like going to a nursery school and asking the children about string theory. In fact, scratch that, it's like going to facebook and asking about string theory.

 

[omega 616]

Not just facebook, that was an example.

Happens everywhere, maybe I should stop hurting people feelings insulting there fav. hobby.

 

[Quaxar]

I think it's quite obvious.
Why would I take the side of a person that's obviously wrong with their argument? That's not logical.

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[Rachel317]

With all due respect, you sound like the kind of person who is constantly "right" and will never be told otherwise. I know people like this, and it's highly annoying, so I get agitated at EVERYTHING they say (even if it's not confrontational), because I know that they believe that their opinions are the only ones which can be correct.

Sorry if that's wrong, but from the wording of your post, it sounds like maybe these people are getting sick and tired of seeing your comments in regards to things that, possibly, don't concern you?

Also - fighting on Facebook is ridiculous. It's not a real fight, PLUS, no one on the internet is impressed by your "fighting" skills.

Like you say, maybe you should stop "insulting their favourite hobbies". Yeah...yeah, maybe you should. Would you like it if people were constantly insulting your opinions and interests? No? In that case, don't do it to others. It's pretty simple, really.

 

[omega 616]

With all due respect, you sound like the kind of person who is constantly "right" and will never be told otherwise. I know people like this, and it's highly annoying, so I get agitated at EVERYTHING they say (even if it's not confrontational), because I know that they believe that their opinions are the only ones which can be correct.

Sorry if that's wrong, but from the wording of your post, it sounds like maybe these people are getting sick and tired of seeing your comments in regards to things that, possibly, don't concern you?

Also - fighting on Facebook is ridiculous. It's not a real fight, PLUS, no one on the internet is impressed by your "fighting" skills.

Like you say, maybe you should stop "insulting their favourite hobbies". Yeah...yeah, maybe you should. Would you like it if people were constantly insulting their opinions and interests? No? In that case, don't do it to others. It's pretty simple, really.

Not, always right just very opinionated and stubborn. Which can lead to "always being Mr. right" but I remember saying a few times "oh yeah, your right", you know like when your half way through an argument and you suddenly realize there right?

I added her like a week ago and that was my first comment on one of her thingies. I also never insulted drinking just said why I don't drink, I never said "drinking is for morons", I said "I don't drink 'cos of my past, it costs alot, the effects are short term blah blah blah".

People fight all over the net, go and read some youtube comments.

 

[Gigano]

Personal integrity before all else.

Whether you take that to mean intellectual honesty or unbreakable loyalty to the endeavours of your friends though...

Personally, since I'd rather provide my true friends with what they need than what they want, and they need to know if they're in the wrong, I'd go with what is here termed "logic".

 

[Hader]

If you are saying these kinds of things on facebook and aren't trolling, then it's almost always going to end badly. This is why the extent of my facebook postings include witty comments or trollfaces

 

[Bobic]

I'd say what you are calling logic in your example is more of an opinion

 

[Palademon]

I get into the same thing sometimes. My friend once made a status, and the first comment was someone insulting him. I then defended him saying how he can say what he wants on his status and it wasn't even insulting to anyone, just the usual status about himself. Moments later other people that were insulting him came on and told me to go away because it's none of my business. And then the people who were insulting him then started saying how much they love eachother because they're insulting him, thus filling his status with douches saying how much they love eachother and insulting me for being a decent human being. And then all he did was come along with a "lol" type comment, not even agreeing with my defense, then everybody hating me in much the way you described. He later told me that he doesn't mind.

WTF!

 

[Monkfish Acc.]

With all due respect, you sound like the kind of person who is constantly "right" and will never be told otherwise. I know people like this, and it's highly annoying, so I get agitated at EVERYTHING they say (even if it's not confrontational), because I know that they believe that their opinions are the only ones which can be correct.

Sorry if that's wrong, but from the wording of your post, it sounds like maybe these people are getting sick and tired of seeing your comments in regards to things that, possibly, don't concern you?

Also - fighting on Facebook is ridiculous. It's not a real fight, PLUS, no one on the internet is impressed by your "fighting" skills.

Like you say, maybe you should stop "insulting their favourite hobbies". Yeah...yeah, maybe you should. Would you like it if people were constantly insulting their opinions and interests? No? In that case, don't do it to others. It's pretty simple, really.

This keeps happening today.
Everything that was said here is what I would have said, had it not already been sitting here, all typed out and pretty like this.

That said, I guess as much as I think arguing and assuming you are right about everything makes you an utter douchefuck, I would choose logic over relationships any day. I do not really value relationships at all.
Actually, the less people who like me, the better. And there is no better way to make someone hate you than to logic the fuck out of them.

 

[Kirkby]

well the problem you gave in ur example is that u were far too serious. It was a jokey comment to sorta lighten things up and maybe get a cheap laugh and u kinda got all serious over it. Its not gonna encourage the best sort of reaction. U were probably right in what you said but maybe you need to pick better times to make your opinions known.

OT: If iv decided to express my opinion its always my own. My opinions are my own and i wont change them for one argument

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

sounds like you just need better friends, if they actually got pissed at your comment about drinking leading to other problems. i wasn't there, though, and don't know the whole story, so that's just my best guess.

 

[Biosophilogical]

If the topic is subjective (no right answer) I'll support my friends by defusing the situation, if the topic is black and white then I politely correct my friends. Either way, I try to make it a civil discussion rather than an argument/conflict.

 

[Palademon]

Sorry if that's wrong, but from the wording of your post, it sounds like maybe these people are getting sick and tired of seeing your comments in regards to things that, possibly, don't concern you?

People don't make fb statuses to talk to themselves. He wasn't even making a massive point, just the idea that drinking might not be helpful. Why do family take priority over friends in what meaningless opinions matter and what ones should be shunned for not being in the family?

 

[bpm195]

...For example, a friend of mine put something like "Think yourself better" and considering placebo effects and basic psychology it works, her sister puts "Or drink" yourself positive, I am agaisnt alcohol for many reasons so I put "that usualy causes more problems"...

First your friend posts something on her wall. Then your friend's sister makes a comment on the post, most likely as a joke. Because you disagree with her replay you make a post calling her reply wrong because you're against alcohol... That's trolling.

It doesn't matter if you're right when you're choosing the wrong venue in which to be right. Either learn to say these things in a funny (and subsequently, less confrontational way) or don't make unsolicited posts to say you disagree.

 

[omega 616]

I get into the same thing sometimes. My friend once made a status, and the first comment was someone insulting him. I then defended him saying how he can say what he wants on his status and it wasn't even insulting to anyone, just the usual status about himself. Moments later other people that were insulting him came on and told me to go away because it's none of my business. And then the people who were insulting him then started saying how much they love eachother because they're insulting him, thus filling his status with douches saying how much they love eachother and insulting me for being a decent human being. And then all he did was come along with a "lol" type comment, not even agreeing with my defense, then everybody hating me in much the way you described. He later told me that he doesn't mind.

WTF!

At last somebody feels my frustration, you go in with the best intentions but you get made out to be the dick in the whole thing.

I'd say what you are calling logic in your example is more of an opinion

I mean, you go into what ever with good intentions or just putting your thought down out of boredom (like you did with this thread), then before you know it your the dick and everybody else has ganged up on you.

I just made a comment then got (for lack of a better phrase) attacked, then my "friend" backed her sister who actually started the shit in the first place.

 

[omega 616]

...For example, a friend of mine put something like "Think yourself better" and considering placebo effects and basic psychology it works, her sister puts "Or drink" yourself positive, I am agaisnt alcohol for many reasons so I put "that usualy causes more problems"...

First your friend posts something on her wall. Then your friend's sister makes a comment on the post, most likely as a joke. Because you disagree with her replay you make a post calling her reply wrong because you're against alcohol... That's trolling.

It doesn't matter if you're right when you're choosing the wrong venue in which to be right. Either learn to say these things in a funny (and subsequently, less confrontational way) or don't make unsolicited posts to say you disagree.

Lets change it up, your chatting to a friend (call him person A) when another friend comes up and says "I just got mugged", person A suggest to go and get your stuff back, you say "it's better to call the police and let them sort it" ... Is that trolling?

Remember on the net there is no tone and given how people drink ALOT (after work, any kind of social event, at holidays, during meals etc) I took it seriously.

In your last paragraph aren't you the pot calling the kettle black?

 

[bpm195]

...For example, a friend of mine put something like "Think yourself better" and considering placebo effects and basic psychology it works, her sister puts "Or drink" yourself positive, I am agaisnt alcohol for many reasons so I put "that usualy causes more problems"...

First your friend posts something on her wall. Then your friend's sister makes a comment on the post, most likely as a joke. Because you disagree with her replay you make a post calling her reply wrong because you're against alcohol... That's trolling.

It doesn't matter if you're right when you're choosing the wrong venue in which to be right. Either learn to say these things in a funny (and subsequently, less confrontational way) or don't make unsolicited posts to say you disagree.

Lets change it up, your chatting to a friend (call him person A) when another friend comes up and says "I just got mugged", person A suggest to go and get your stuff back, you say "it's better to call the police and let them sort it" ... Is that trolling?

Remember on the net there is no tone and given how people drink ALOT (after work, any kind of social event, at holidays, during meals etc) I took it seriously.

In your last paragraph aren't you the pot calling the kettle black?

Remember, venue has a huge affect on anything. This is a forum, so it's strongly implied that you have some interest in feedback. Here I'll openly disagree without hesitation. On facebook I assume you're less interested in an argumentative response, and moreover would rather not have people arguing on your wall. Arguing on a forum is an entirely different ball game.

In this mugging scenario, telling them to call the cops is throwing some advice in there to prevent a crime, and also addressing an immediate situation of importance. Telling them to call the cops in that case would be making a suggestion in a situation where it's completely reasonable to do; calling the cops for them could be called trolling, or if they were strangers that your overheard that could also be trolling.

Note that trolling doesn't make your views any less valid, it just makes you a nuisance.