Poll: An objective view or relationships?

[the rye]

From what you posted i don't see what you did wrong, your statement was perfectly legitimate.

 

[Hoplon]

I think you need to refrain from commenting on anything not directed at you if you feel negatively about it.

It's clearly not constructive or conducive to your relationships with others.

 

[reyttm4]

If it's an argument that is or could get aggressive then I wouldn't comment, at all, but to be fair I'm not one for arguments.

 

[Bailoroc]

The problem with trying to use "logic" and "relationships" as mutually exclusive concepts is that some people like to be told when they're wrong (as long as the "wrong" isn't about religion or personal beliefs) and some people appreciate a good philosophical debate or conversation, often WITHOUT getting confrontational. There is such thing as having both or a third way.

That being said, and having witness recent flame wars on this forum, I have come to the hypothesis that pure "logical" people have extreme trouble making friends, because they cannot think emotionally for even one second or even learn to agree to disagree.

And that makes me very sad.

 

[EboMan7x]

a friend of mine put something like "Think yourself better" and considering placebo effects and basic psychology it works, her sister puts "Or drink" yourself positive, I am agaisnt alcohol for many reasons so I put "that usualy causes more problems".

"Or drink" was a joke man. Cool your jets, a lot of time people don't want to have a big discussion.

 

[omega 616]

...For example, a friend of mine put something like "Think yourself better" and considering placebo effects and basic psychology it works, her sister puts "Or drink" yourself positive, I am against alcohol for many reasons so I put "that usually causes more problems"...

First your friend posts something on her wall. Then your friend's sister makes a comment on the post, most likely as a joke. Because you disagree with her replay you make a post calling her reply wrong because you're against alcohol... That's trolling.

It doesn't matter if you're right when you're choosing the wrong venue in which to be right. Either learn to say these things in a funny (and subsequently, less confrontational way) or don't make unsolicited posts to say you disagree.

Lets change it up, your chatting to a friend (call him person A) when another friend comes up and says "I just got mugged", person A suggest to go and get your stuff back, you say "it's better to call the police and let them sort it" ... Is that trolling?

Remember on the net there is no tone and given how people drink ALOT (after work, any kind of social event, at holidays, during meals etc) I took it seriously.

In your last paragraph aren't you the pot calling the kettle black?

Remember, venue has a huge affect on anything. This is a forum, so it's strongly implied that you have some interest in feedback. Here I'll openly disagree without hesitation. On facebook I assume you're less interested in an argumentative response, and moreover would rather not have people arguing on your wall. Arguing on a forum is an entirely different ball game.

In this mugging scenario, telling them to call the cops is throwing some advice in there to prevent a crime, and also addressing an immediate situation of importance. Telling them to call the cops in that case would be making a suggestion in a situation where it's completely reasonable to do; calling the cops for them could be called trolling, or if they were strangers that your overheard that could also be trolling.

Note that trolling doesn't make your views any less valid, it just makes you a nuisance.

On facebook, you post random stuff about your day, it's like that start of a conversion, you just say something random and if somebody comments then it starts off a conversation or just gets another point of view to take into consideration.

The crime has already happened, how can you prevent it? Calling the cops for the guy isn't trolling, it is taking the initiative. If you over hear then it could be a good Samaritan, if you see a guy collapsed in the street it isn't trolling to call for medics.

I think you need to refrain from commenting on anything not directed at you if you feel negatively about it.

It's clearly not constructive or conducive to your relationships with others.

What about if your looking for balance? Somebody saying drinking is the best thing ever, while the other person balances it out by saying it's good but not the best thing in the world.

 

[slightly evil]

logic, every time
my family can be dicks sometimes

 

[CastIronWin]

sorry guy but you've got to side with the friends/ family/ significant other every time, even if they've got a full blown case of the crazies!

unless discussion is between the above categories, then it's all about who you want to piss of most!

 

[Hosker]

The only two reasons I can think of why somebody would get emotional over that is:
1. They don't want to be reminded that alcohol is bad for them, or
2. They were only joking around and didn't want somebody being serious with them.

If you end everything you say there with "lol", it should help avoid this type of thing.

 

[Dark Knifer]

I suggest get better friends. If someone is wrong, I'll ask them why they think that and explain my thoughts on the subject. This usually works well with little consequences.

 

[Rachel317]

People fight all over the net, go and read some youtube comments.

I didn't suggest that people don't "fight" on the internet, I suggested that people shouldn't fight on the internet because it means very, very little.

douchefuck

I don't think I've ever actually heard a more brilliant insult...this has been added to my offensive vocabulary! I tip my hat to you, Sir!

 

[JemothSkarii]

I'm a bit of a fencesitter on this one...
I'm an easily forgiving person, and I'm also ferociously loyal to my friends and anyone I'm close to. Therefore, if my friends argue with anyone outside of my friends, I will always, ALWAYS back them up.
However, if I'm in an argument with a couple of friends, I will pick logic instead of siding with any of them in particular.
Probably means I just picked relationship. Although I believe myself to be relatively intelligent and mature, I put my friends before logic.

 

[omega 616]

People fight all over the net, go and read some youtube comments.

I didn't suggest that people don't "fight" on the internet, I suggested that people shouldn't fight on the internet because it means very, very little.

douchefuck

I don't think I've ever actually heard a more brilliant insult...this has been added to my offensive vocabulary! I tip my hat to you, Sir!

Fighting anywhere means very, very little yet we are always doing it, on the net, in wars, in politics, on a saturday night etc. Where has it got anybody?

"where is the love?"

 

[Paksenarrion]

*reads first post*
What was the argument? I'm not sure I can even...has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

 

[Lullabye]

Logic.
Because being right feels better than being loved.

"where is the love?"

Wow, its been so long since Ive heard that song.

 

[omega 616]

Logic.
Because being right feels better than being loved.

"where is the love?"

Wow, its been so long since Ive heard that song.

That's what I was thinking of when I said it.

"Logic.
Because being right feels better than being loved."

I may have that tattoo'd on me, it fits me perfectly!

Edit. I had to change it slightly, it is now "Logic is better than love because being right feels better than being loved."

 

[SturmDolch]

With all due respect, you sound like the kind of person who is constantly "right" and will never be told otherwise. I know people like this, and it's highly annoying, so I get agitated at EVERYTHING they say (even if it's not confrontational), because I know that they believe that their opinions are the only ones which can be correct.

Sorry if that's wrong, but from the wording of your post, it sounds like maybe these people are getting sick and tired of seeing your comments in regards to things that, possibly, don't concern you?

Also - fighting on Facebook is ridiculous. It's not a real fight, PLUS, no one on the internet is impressed by your "fighting" skills.

Like you say, maybe you should stop "insulting their favourite hobbies". Yeah...yeah, maybe you should. Would you like it if people were constantly insulting your opinions and interests? No? In that case, don't do it to others. It's pretty simple, really.

This, this, and this again. Oh, and this. Did I mention, this? Because this.

Many people post things on Facebook that doesn't go well with me. But I don't post on it because I don't want to start a Facebook argument. Facebook arguments don't just make your username or profile look bad, it makes you look bad to your friends and family.

 

[Lyx]

I see stuff like this - to me, there are three kinds of personal relationships:

1. Relationships with people who do not match me, and with whom i do not have to deal

This INCLUDES things like problematic love relationships. What use is a relationship with fucked up relations to me? I'm not talking about disinterest in solving conflicts - i'm talking about people who simply are unwilling to accept me, or truths that are relevant to the relationship. I simply am not interested in this kind of stuff, no matter the "how nice it could be if everything were different" - it isn't.


2. Relationships with people who do not match me, but with whom i have to deal at least to some extend. Either because of force, or because the disadvantages of rejection would be unreasonable (which basically is just bullying)

I keep contact down to the minimum necessary, and only talk about necessary stuff, leaving out everything unnecessary that is potentially problematic. Pro-trick: Very often, people do not care what you are saying. You can to some question reply some blahblah without really having stated anything significant, and they will be satisfied. What those robots react to, are keywords and signals, especially role-signals... not the content. Thus, you can make them shut up without actually giving them anything and without lying. Remember: Everything significant you say may be used against you. In my case, the above includes SOME members of my family.


3. Relationships with people who match me

Well, where's the problem? Not much to explain here.

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So in summary, optimally i prefer to seek matching people, and not deal with nonmatching people. If i have to deal with people who do not match me (or would be faced with unfair consequences if i reject), i go stealth-mode, by keeping interaction down to the necessary, and to not give any information that may be used against me (which as i explained, does not need to involve lying - not even halftruth. Most of the time, they don't care *what* you say, just how you say "something").

 

[Hoplon]

I think you need to refrain from commenting on anything not directed at you if you feel negatively about it.

It's clearly not constructive or conducive to your relationships with others.

What about if your looking for balance? Somebody saying drinking is the best thing ever, while the other person balances it out by saying it's good but not the best thing in the world.

There is no balance in personal opinions and jokes. I am not a fan of over the top drinking but I have taken to reading such comments as flippant "aren't humanity neat" bullshit most people come out with.

They don't want to be told they are a virus with shoes.

In the words of the dude "your not wrong, you're just an asshole"

 

[omega 616]

With all due respect, you sound like the kind of person who is constantly "right" and will never be told otherwise. I know people like this, and it's highly annoying, so I get agitated at EVERYTHING they say (even if it's not confrontational), because I know that they believe that their opinions are the only ones which can be correct.

Sorry if that's wrong, but from the wording of your post, it sounds like maybe these people are getting sick and tired of seeing your comments in regards to things that, possibly, don't concern you?

Also - fighting on Facebook is ridiculous. It's not a real fight, PLUS, no one on the Internet is impressed by your "fighting" skills.

Like you say, maybe you should stop "insulting their favourite hobbies". Yeah...yeah, maybe you should. Would you like it if people were constantly insulting your opinions and interests? No? In that case, don't do it to others. It's pretty simple, really.

This, this, and this again. Oh, and this. Did I mention, this? Because this.

Many people post things on Facebook that doesn't go well with me. But I don't post on it because I don't want to start a Facebook argument. Facebook arguments don't just make your username or profile look bad, it makes you look bad to your friends and family.

What you said and what (s)he said are different.

You think I care what people think of me? To some degree yes, I don't want people to think I am unhygienic or something. As far as people thinking I am an arrogant, opinionated, stubborn prick I really couldn't care less.

Like I said, I am an opinionated guy and I like to express those opinions, there is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is to be gang up on 'cos you took something the wrong way or for thinking differently than other people.

I think you need to refrain from commenting on anything not directed at you if you feel negatively about it.

It's clearly not constructive or conducive to your relationships with others.

What about if your looking for balance? Somebody saying drinking is the best thing ever, while the other person balances it out by saying it's good but not the best thing in the world.

There is no balance in personal opinions and jokes. I am not a fan of over the top drinking but I have taken to reading such comments as flippant "aren't humanity neat" bullshit most people come out with.

They don't want to be told they are a virus with shoes.

In the words of the dude "your not wrong, you're just an asshole"

No offence but what?

Seriously, I don't understand you.

Is there any need for the asshole line? Read my OP for what I think of insults like that.