Lets not forget that the Warcraft MMO made Blizz millions an millions.So they choose the right thing.Crono1973 said:
Poll: Anti-BioWare backlash?
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Why not just uninstall Origin after your finished with ME3? Or is it uninstallable?mrF00bar said:
My Opinion of Bioware has changed ever since I played Mass Effect 2. Prior to that the only Bioware games were much older, the Baldur's Gate series, and I think I had played Neverwinter Nights, (I recently downloaded the Demo and I'm almost sure I played it before). However, I loved Mass Effect for the reasons I loved Baldur's Gate, although it was a different type of game and it was nowhere near as good (but that's saying alot, Baldur's Gate 2 is in my opinion one of if not the best game of all time, certainly of it's genre). But they have recently made some assholeish moves regarding how the games are released and the DLC sort of stuff. But isn't that sort of thing the publishers concerns?
Although Dragon Age 2 was sort of clearly a money grabbing attempt, so maybe the publishers aren't the only ones to blame here.
All in all, they still make great games.
Although Dragon Age 2 was sort of clearly a money grabbing attempt, so maybe the publishers aren't the only ones to blame here.
All in all, they still make great games.
Except that, y'know, they want to go back to the RPG roots. A good analogy for Bioware would be the Goldilocks tale; one game goes too much in that direction, the next too much in the other direction, and the third sits right in the sweet spot.Crono1973 said:
At least I hope it'll be like that, as we still have to see ME3 in the flesh.
That's great for them, but what's good for the company is not always good for the consumer. "We didn't get what we asked for, but they made money" is a pretty puzzling argument in favor of this sort of behavior. If a developer completely abandons what the target audience wants in favor of a new one (possibly drastically changing/retconning the IP that the former audience loved so much in the process) then they have a pretty fair justification for being annoyed with the developer, I figure. No one would care if Blizzard made an unrelated MMO on the side and made millions off of it, but it was made in substitution for the rest of an rts series. Not only is the MMO takign the palce of warcraft 4, but it *is* warcraft 4, as it is another game in the same series. I can understand why many fans would be upset with the final note of a beloved series ending in a completely different genre.IamGamer41 said:
*shrugs*
they're just another developer to me, and and given the only game of theirs i actually liked enough to finish is DA: O i could really careless one way or another
they're just another developer to me, and and given the only game of theirs i actually liked enough to finish is DA: O i could really careless one way or another
One reason why the level of criticism has risen so significantly is that Bioware have entered an entirely new genre (for them) with The Old Republic. Dedicated MMO players are less likely to soften their opinion based on their single player games - quite the reverse.
It hasn't helped that Bioware have been insufferably arrogant in the run up to and following the release of SWTOR.
"One of the greatest achievements in the history of video games."
"After playing SWTOR, people are finding it difficult to go back to other MMOs."
"SWTOR is the first MMO where story really matters."
Etc etc. Every time they point out how superior their game is they're indirectly pissing on every other MMO, and they've done that a lot.
It hasn't helped that Bioware have been insufferably arrogant in the run up to and following the release of SWTOR.
"One of the greatest achievements in the history of video games."
"After playing SWTOR, people are finding it difficult to go back to other MMOs."
"SWTOR is the first MMO where story really matters."
Etc etc. Every time they point out how superior their game is they're indirectly pissing on every other MMO, and they've done that a lot.
Well, dragon age 2 was mind-bogglingly bad, and by most accounts TOR is a solid MMO with the questionable choice to give a mediocre script a more central role. I don't think that that's enough to prove a decline. Now if only they would change the mandatory Origin policy so I could actually buy their games...
I was honestly more uneasy with them around the past few games that everyone loved, I was seriously underwhelmed by Mass Effect 2.
Though now that I've seen some gameplay for 3, I'm hopeful. It looks good.
Though now that I've seen some gameplay for 3, I'm hopeful. It looks good.
Well, I never really got into it either, except for the custom maps and stuff like that. I prefer games in the vein of Total War. But I have known people who are into that sort of stuff, so I can understand the sentiment in this case, and I feel that aspects of this argument do apply to the direction that Bioware is heading in recent years.Sabertooth said:
Hasn't changed. I'm young. I only heard of Bioware like 3 years ago. They gained my respect because they showed they cared about their fans, about telling a story and about trying to further the medium.
Even if Dragon Age 2 wasn't perfect and the TOR launch has had some hiccups, so what? They don't feel like they've changed to me.
Maybe they used to be something different and I never knew it. Fair enough. But what I know is that what they are now is a good developer, maybe even a great developer. Anyone who can't see that is blind.
Even if Dragon Age 2 wasn't perfect and the TOR launch has had some hiccups, so what? They don't feel like they've changed to me.
Maybe they used to be something different and I never knew it. Fair enough. But what I know is that what they are now is a good developer, maybe even a great developer. Anyone who can't see that is blind.
Well, then it was a poor error in judgment. I haven´t played DA, but I can how a shooter mechanic might not apply to a hack and slash RPG.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Exactly. I think it's a real shame, if I'm honest. Also, I don't think it's accurate to say the market for traditional RPGs is "small and shrinking". It's certainly big enough to turn a healthy profit, as DA:O demonstrated, but it's not the biggest market. It's not enough for the biggest profit imaginable. And with the new ultra-profit-driven paradigm that the games industry has taken on over the last ten years, only the biggest profit imaginable is enough. That means every game has to appeal to the largest possible number of people, which means games get less and less unique, more and more homogenized.Oroboros said:
Capitalism and art are compatible up to a point. The games industry is getting past that point.
And it pisses me off when people say "that's the real world, deal with it". Yes, I know that's the real world, I don't have to fucking like it.
Yeah, if you liked Dragon Age 2, you might like some of their earlier games. For instance, Dragon Age: Origins is like Dragon Age 2, except that it doesn't suck.PureIrony said:
50 seconds on Google turned this thread up:Hides His Eyes said:
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/researching-the-death-of-the-crpg-industry.60314/
And there's plenty of information in there I won't bother cutting and pasting. I'm not pulling it out of my ass, the CRPG market was in real trouble for a while there. Gaming was becoming more mainstream, and the CRPG was still a niche market. The games were huge, costly, and time consuming to make, and they gave a terrible ROI compared to shooters and the CRPG's stupid younger brother, the ARPG.
Everyone craps on Bioware and Bethesda for "abandoning their roots" and making a more accessible product, but without them doing that you'd never even SEE a DA:O. And DA:O is hardly a throwback. Some people suggested it was, in some ways, a "spiritual successor" to Baldur's Gate II, but nowhere near as hardcore, and Baldur's Gate was mocked at the time for being a brain-dead streamlining of the genre.
At the end of the day we're just fans. I'm happy that they're still making RPGS. This isn't an X-Com scenario where they turned it into a FPS and told everyone that strategy games weren't contemporary any more. No, the RPG doesn't look exactly like it used to, and yeah, sometimes that makes me sad, but there's lots to love about where the RPG is going, too, not just where it's been.
where's the 'indifferent because i'm not dumb enough to get emotionally attached to a business' option? because its stuff like that which leads to stupid asinine occurences like the 'console wars' and the 'ford vs holden' debate
seriously, i honestly don't care either way whether bioware has 'changed' or 'sold out', demographics shift, so long as the end product is good thats all that matters. same with buying a car, it doesn't matter what the badge or label is, just that it's reliable, fun, and has a manual gearbox
seriously, i honestly don't care either way whether bioware has 'changed' or 'sold out', demographics shift, so long as the end product is good thats all that matters. same with buying a car, it doesn't matter what the badge or label is, just that it's reliable, fun, and has a manual gearbox