Poll: Are core gamers too harsh on Nintendo?

[Resonance2]

To the Fanboys:
I want to make this post for core gamers but first I have to explain something to the fanboys before they fly off the handle at me. The Wii is obviously already getting no respect from most core gamers so think about what I am about to say from our perspective, if you do even though you will completely disagree with me and probably try to argue this with me you will realize that this advice I am giving will lead to more respect from core gamers towards the Wii.

To core gamers:
I am a core gamer, I do not own a Wii but own just about everything else and must admit that until I came to a conclusion lead to many angry words with Wii fanboys and non-gamer friends alike. If you adopt this perspective on the Wii you will never criticism it again. What I realized is this, the Wii should not (from the perspective of a core gamer) be viewed as a video game platform. You know how some cell phones and old ipods had a few games you could play around on them with? Well the Wii is an exercise machine that happens to have a few games on it. Here are the top selling games on the wii to prove my point:
#1 Wii Sports (60.69 million)
#2 Wii Play (26.71 million)
#3 Wii Fit (22.56 million)
#4 Mario Kart Wii (21.22 million)
#5 Wii Sports Resort (13.58 million approximately)
You see if you see the Wii like this you will realize that it is not "offensive" to core gamers as much as it is to fans of the bow flex. I should admit though that as far as exercise machines go the Wii is the best. So although nintendo fans will hate me for saying this, this way of thinking has turned me (and possibly anyone else who reads this and is disapointed in the wii) into a fan of it.

 

[Taerdin]

I guess you got me, I'm on probation now all because you infuriated me by completely misunderstanding what I was saying and slandering me by making me out to be something I am not. I know its 100% my fault, but I still think its pretty lame what you did. Successful troll is successful, now excuse me while I stay away from this forum for awhile, I need a break from this painful generalisation.

If only I had realized that in the very first reply you made you basically said I was right by saying "that's arguably true" I should have just taken that as the win it was and not bothered trying to further explain my position. But I will now just take it as the win it was, and say you feel my point was true due to what you wrote, and leave on this note. Nintendo games = plots for children, but not bad games. Done and done.

 

[sumanoskae]

Please explain

Let's first say that your list doesn't even come close to the good game library of what the Wii has.

Nintendo deserve everything they get. Now, I know this will sound fanboyish, and people will throw things at me, but I'm from the generation that was there at the start, back when the only people that supported them were us schoolboys that were shit at football.
All the way through to the 64 we were there, defending that fat fuckin plumber in front of Sega fans when we knew the blue hedgehog was cooler, making do with 8Bit and two button controllers, ignoring the call of the mega drive with its sexy curves and streets of rage grimyness, we spent our pocket and watched them grow.
The rot was setting in with the cube, but we accepted that a family focused company would want to appeal to a wider audience as that audience became more receptive. Then BAM! out comes the streak of piss (or Wii, as some drooling marketing type called it) and all of a sudden theres no room for us in the family anymore. No more Goldeneyes, no more Killer Instincts, just a series of mindless inoffensive flash games that were belched out in the space of an afternoon to rinse cash out of a largely naiive audience that don't know any better. Fuck nintendo, fuck them right in the ear.

Suddenly, your username makes a whole lot of sense to me.

Are there some great games I've never heard of?. Like I said, I despise the Wii, those are all the games I care about, some of them I've never played, they just interest me. I'll like whatever the hell I want, "Great", is a matter of perspective, a lot of people like Mario, I don't

 

[Johnmw]

I guess you got me, I'm on probation now all because you infuriated me by completely misunderstanding what I was saying and slandering me by making me out to be something I am not. I know its 100% my fault, but I still think its pretty lame what you did. Successful troll is successful, now excuse me while I stay away from this forum for awhile, I need a break from this painful generalisation.

If only I had realized that in the very first reply you made you basically said I was right by saying "that's arguably true" I should have just taken that as the win it was and not bothered trying to further explain my position. But I will now just take it as the win it was, and say you feel my point was true due to what you wrote, and leave on this note. Nintendo games = plots for children, but not bad games. Done and done.

/debate
Seriously I've nothing against the Wii, as a board game substitute (no that is not an insult in my eyes). The Wii is in a new era or gaming it should be considered as a new form of family entertainment and not compared to the P.C/ PS3 or 360. The Wii was out there to achieve different goals, namely bringing ENTERTAINMENT, to the masses, this it has achieved, so stop comparing it to a market that it doesn't even try to cater for.
for proof that this is ALL (from both sides) fanboy/girl ranting:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97923-Casual-Games-Not-Taking-Away-From-Core-Market-Says-Analyst

 

[CriticalGriffin]

Are there some great games I've never heard of?. Like I said, I despise the Wii, those are all the games I care about, some of them I've never played, they just interest me. I'll like whatever the hell I want, "Great", is a matter of perspective, a lot of people like Mario, I don't

... Thus making your point completely irrelevant.

Did anyone else get a laugh over the fact that we have a boardgamer battle here?

I did.

Taerdin, you're officially one of the funniest men on the internet... For all the wrong reasons.
And Treblaine, you deserve a thumbs up.

 

[Mr. Shoggoth]

People like Taerdin really take all credibility from people bashing Nintendo.

 

[sumanoskae]

Are there some great games I've never heard of?. Like I said, I despise the Wii, those are all the games I care about, some of them I've never played, they just interest me. I'll like whatever the hell I want, "Great", is a matter of perspective, a lot of people like Mario, I don't

... Thus making your point completely irrelevant.

Did anyone else get a laugh over the fact that we have a boardgamer battle here?

I did.

Taerdin, you're officially one of the funniest men on the internet... For all the wrong reasons.
And Treblaine, you deserve a thumbs up.

No, it doesn't make my point irrelevant, I was being kind including games I've never played but am interested in playing to make the point that the Wii has a very small library for core gamers. Even with the extra games I can count the entire library of interesting games on my hands

My point wasn't that these games were bad, I was pointing out that there are so few

 

[Sleekgiant]

The Wii is just, well, um, I just don't like saying waggle okay

 

[Taerdin]

People like Taerdin really take all credibility from people bashing Nintendo.

But I wasn't even bashing Nintendo, so thats good then that I somehow took their credibility?

 

[Velocitykills]

i think the nintendo games were all better when the titles were kinda new and fun

(link to the past, mario 64, super mario world, yoshis island, star fox, metroid ect)

the main problem i have is that i mostly know what is going to happen... yeah maybe mario has something new to do but i STILL know what is going to happen and how to do it.

off topic: why havent they made another star fox game yet? id love to pew pew with the wii remote

 

[CriticalGriffin]

No, it doesn't make my point irrelevant, I was being kind including games I've never played but am interested in playing to make the point that the Wii has a very small library for core gamers. Even with the extra games I can count the entire library of interesting games on my hands

My point wasn't that these games were bad, I was pointing out that there are so few

Yes, but you were only explaining the games you alone find interesting, not counting the games that are generally considered good. It's like picking from a box of candy, where you only pick the strawberry flavoured, instead of looking at the whole thing, and then proceed to complain about it.

And I'll just go pretend you never used the term "core games".

 

[sumanoskae]

No, it doesn't make my point irrelevant, I was being kind including games I've never played but am interested in playing to make the point that the Wii has a very small library for core gamers. Even with the extra games I can count the entire library of interesting games on my hands

My point wasn't that these games were bad, I was pointing out that there are so few

Yes, but you were only explaining the games you alone find interesting, not counting the games that are generally considered good. It's like picking from a box of candy, where you only pick the strawberry flavoured, instead of looking at the whole thing, and then proceed to complain about it.

And I'll just go pretend you never used the term "core games".

Well you can't argue weather something is fun or not, that's personal taste. Nothing has inherent value, it just has value to us. The thread asked me my opinion, that's my opinion, I don't hate Nintendo, I just think they're being greedy exploitative dicks

Most of the Wii's games are sequels, or rip offs of cliche genre games from other consoles with shitty motion control, or mini game collections I should be able to play online, this doesn't exactly strike me as creative

Counting the Wii games that are considered good, so you're saying popular opinion is correct?

No More Heroes
No More Heroes 2
Metroid 3
Twilight Princess
Mario Galaxy
SSBB

Congratulations there are six, what did is miss?, what other games are there?, go ahead list them

No personal opinion is correct, that's why they're personal opinions

You're not going to find some magical calculator that tells of something's worth by searching for popular opinions

 

[Veldt Falsetto]

To the Fanboys:
I want to make this post for core gamers but first I have to explain something to the fanboys before they fly off the handle at me. The Wii is obviously already getting no respect from most core gamers so think about what I am about to say from our perspective, if you do even though you will completely disagree with me and probably try to argue this with me you will realize that this advice I am giving will lead to more respect from core gamers towards the Wii.

To core gamers:
I am a core gamer, I do not own a Wii but own just about everything else and must admit that until I came to a conclusion lead to many angry words with Wii fanboys and non-gamer friends alike. If you adopt this perspective on the Wii you will never criticism it again. What I realized is this, the Wii should not (from the perspective of a core gamer) be viewed as a video game platform. You know how some cell phones and old ipods had a few games you could play around on them with? Well the Wii is an exercise machine that happens to have a few games on it. Here are the top selling games on the wii to prove my point:
#1 Wii Sports (60.69 million)
#2 Wii Play (26.71 million)
#3 Wii Fit (22.56 million)
#4 Mario Kart Wii (21.22 million)
#5 Wii Sports Resort (13.58 million approximately)
You see if you see the Wii like this you will realize that it is not "offensive" to core gamers as much as it is to fans of the bow flex. I should admit though that as far as exercise machines go the Wii is the best. So although nintendo fans will hate me for saying this, this way of thinking has turned me (and possibly anyone else who reads this and is disapointed in the wii) into a fan of it.

I don't think the best selling games cover all the bases tbh, also isn't it unfair that Wii Sports, the free game with the wii, is the best selling, no one bought it, they bought the console and it was a nice addition, what was 6?

 

[Veldt Falsetto]

Is it just me or has the OP reversed the question in his poll? I'm pretty sure that when I answered 'no' a few days ago it read something along the lines of 'Are gamers too hard on Nintendo?'.

Is it just me or has the OP reversed the question in his poll? I'm pretty sure that when I answered 'no' a few days ago it read something along the lines of 'Are gamers too hard on Nintendo?'.

I've done nothing, either a moderator reworded it or it was read wrongly..or confused with the question in the topic name, I do appear to have worded the poll strangely

 

[drisky]

We are not to hard because they are being very lazy here is a list of Wii games they published in 2009

New Play Control! Mario Power Tennis-Remake/Republish
New Play Control! Pikmin-Remake/Republish
New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat-Remake/Republish
Punch-Out!!-Remake
Wii Sports Resort-Sequel
Metroid Prime: Trilogy-Remake/Republish
Wii Fit Plus-Expansion Pack
New Super Mario Bros. Wii-Mario Three

Thats right Wii Sports Resort was the only game that did'nt seem like just a rehashing even though parts of it were, we absolutely need to be angry!

 

[DrDeath3191]

Absolutely. Nintendo has brought us great titles time and time again for over 30 years, and it doesn't seem like they'll be stopping anytime soon.

 

[Veldt Falsetto]

Is it just me or has the OP reversed the question in his poll? I'm pretty sure that when I answered 'no' a few days ago it read something along the lines of 'Are gamers too hard on Nintendo?'.

I've done nothing, either a moderator reworded it or it was read wrongly..or confused with the question in the topic name, I do appear to have worded the poll strangely

Fair enough, put it down to my memory being bad. Sorry to besmirch your reputation, if I did at all.

Nothing of the sort all is cool

 

[bloodychimp]

If you didn't grow up with Nintendo consoles I don't think you realize what a slap in the face the Wii is.

We suffered through the lack of third party games on the Gamecube (and to a certain extent the N64), and finally, in the generation when most third party games are going multi-platform, they make a Gamecube with a useless motion controller (if you think SSBB and Mario Kart are better with the Wiimote you're flat wrong).

Yes they are a company. Yes they need to make money. But loyal fans have kept them in business for the last 10 years got screwed.