Poll: Are you a feminist?

[Darkmantle]

You are making this a gender war. If feminism is really about equality, it should not be a gender war.

Equality does not come by pitting two sides against each other or demonizing the other side with false information.

And did you say domestic violence against men doesn't need real answers or isn't a real issue?

And you seriously want me to think feminism is about equality when you're going to represent it like this?

I think you should take the latter half of my advice and just let him be in his own beliefs cause there is no way after what he has typed that anything you say will actually get him to try and be reasonable. You are not going to be able to have a conversation with Moopig but only an argument.

Also I find it hilarious considering I'm the freaking republican in the forums and all I've done here in this thread is try and get you two blokes to actually have a conversation and get along, something which Moopig has clearly failed to do. I didn't know I was supposed to act passive aggressive and spend my time insulting people cause clearly I am doing it wrong.

Just ignore and move on or have a conversation with someone else on this thread that actually wants to be reasonable and considerate.

bah. Fine, I defer to your judgement, I'm clearly getting no where with him anyway.

the only silver lining is that I now have an on-forum example for later reference I guess.

 

[moopig66]

My friend mister Sterling of the Jimquisition fame:

http://www.gamefront.com/misandry-in-videogames-oh-grow-the-f-k-up/

No, it dosent. Subjigated groups have "rights movements"

Examples:
Gay rights
Women's rights
The civil rights movements of the 60's and 70's
Latino rights

And who were the ones withholding rights in all of those cases? White Christian Men. The oppressor does not get a rights movement.

Well, i lied. I shall rebut, just this once.

Mens rights? MENS RIGHTS! MENS FUACKING RIGHTS!? Are you absolutely shitting me?? Has your brain absolutely gone that far off the deep end. Have you lost touch with this wonderful place we call reality that you would use a term like "mens rights" pow-faced? Men have the rights, men distribute the rights to those who are bellow them, MENS RIGHTS is a made up term.

This asinine attitude of "oh they are victimized so i want to be too!" is so disgustingly childish, so beyond rational thought it sickens me that you share the same species as i. grow the hell up. Take reality for a spin some day, its quite fun.

As someone who has personally been discriminated against my whole life for no other reason than my birth, i hole heatedly support the feminist movement. I believe in equal rights and equal opportunity for all. To not believe in such is a sin worse than all the rest. Be nice, be happy, treat all others with respect and kindness, its not a very hard life philosophy to live by.

Edit: oh... im a dude... i dont know if that came across...

OMG what part of not talking to do you do you not understand? One of your articles that you so smugly posted, I ALREADY POSTED IN RESPONSE TO ANOTHER PERSON!!!!!!! Or at least one with the same information. You can read my deconstruction of that if you want!!

Did some evil six foot five tall 200lb women physicality and sexual abuse you at some point in the past? This irrational, vile distrust of a group of people who's only crime was being born with their reproductive parts on the inside is something beyond evil.

I don't know, my only experiences wit women is as a friend, being a member of the rainbow squad and all, but i have never EVER met this cartoon-ishly evil, seductive archetype of a women once in my life.

And no, no i will not be responding to whatever ill conceived, hateful, sexist thing you feel like responding at me. Please stop co-opting conversations in the message boards (ive seen you before) and go be nice and happy with all the other good boys and girls in the not-internet world. I must now leave for i have a date... with a real person... something i doubt you have much experience with.

Oh god, im not going to debate with you... ive seen you before and meet people of your persuasion. One day you will, hopefully, wake up and realize that taking an opinion because you want to be contrary is not a healthy thing to do. Your words are the regurgitation labyrinth of machination created by a particularly spiteful group of persons who dont want woman's equality. Please, for your own sake, stop being contrary for the sake of contrariety, and start formulating your own opinions based on your own experiences, like an adult...

and here i was hoping to have an adult conversation... oh well

And what possible purpose would the evil women have for misleading all you soft and trusting men? I mean honestly, its attitude like this that holds our nation and our culture back. You have created a false narrative for a group that you have been told falsities about. Attitudes like this lead to very very bad things historically, i would hope that a group like us gamers would understand somewhat of whats its like to be subjugated. Why cant we all just be nice and happy and get along with each other? its not hard... really...

Aw, and here i was hoping to have a thread without insults... dow well.

I would love to see your statistics source study... unless you... pulled it out of your butt...

and i love love love when people claim that feminists are somehow sexist. I have spoken to and am friends with many people who would be considered extreme feminists and never have i felt that they are in any way sexist. Its a slur, calling feminists sexist, that is founded on nothing other than a knee jerk defensive reaction from people who oppose feminism.

and... i apologize for any typos, i just got a new keyboard

SNIP

you want some stats man?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/jan/22/alantravis
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/85-224-x2010000-eng.pdf

there's some.

and here's a feminist organization that's using fake stats.

http://www.mavaw.org/

If you watch, you can notice most if not all the stats used are 15 years old. Intentionally misleading. Both sides of Domestic Violence need to be addressed, many feminists simply don't agree.

And here's the founder of the first battered woman's refuge backing me up, she knew the score.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pizzey-makes-a-stand-for-the-battered-man-1083534.html

I'm not going to play the speculation game with you, nor did I say all women or evil or any nonsense as that, stop building straw men. It's more likely it's just ignorance or confirmation bias, as is your case.

Those stats are as solid as you can get. All I ask is that there be almost as many shelters for men as there are for women, because men need help to. You are not going to end the violence by pretending there is only one side to the issue, and until feminism catches up to the realities of domestic violence today, I'm not going to support them. Show me the feminist groups trying to get men's shelters open, or educate people about DV against both genders, I'll believe they are about equality.

The insulting of people who advocate for men's rights is not helping your case.

Look at the stats and stop being blind to your own bias. I fight for everyone's rights, maybe you should do the same.

You stand here with a straight face telling me I'm buying into some kind of agenda, yet you ignore the stats I posted, from UK and Canada, you ignore the woman who founded the FIRST woman's shelter (she should be a feminist icon BTW). Yet you have the gall to tell me I'm not forming my own opinions?

How about you do some real research into the groups you support, instead of blindly running to their defence.

I'll post the stats again, if you're mature enough to actually look at them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/jan/22/alantravis
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/85-224-x2010000-eng.pdf

Actually I've been in a stable monogamous relationship for the past three years. And we're both quite happy in fact. But I do appreciate the wild strawmanning of my opinions and assumptions about my history and relationships. Really shows the quality of person that calls themselves feminist.

Proves my point about feminist attitudes to people who advocate for men's rights as well. Good job becoming an example.

Yeah men's rights. You are now displaying the classic feminist attitude when someone says that. Congrats.

Men need shelters too, the stats prove it. Why are you against taking care of battered men? I'm not saying close down the woman's shelters, I'm saying open up some shelters for men too.

Domestic violence against men is a real issue and needs real answers, not this dismissal coming from a proud feminist, who apparently supports "equal rights" yeah. Real equal.

Protip:

You are not for equal rights. You are just a plain old misandrist.

 

[moopig66]

Feminism is about women trying to fight for their right to stand on equal footing, as its implied in the name "feminism" its ABOUT WOMEN. There is no gender war, there's no feminist bogymen waiting in the shadows, hot to get your alimony.

A vary, very small minority of men are abused by women, and yes that's bad. Ive read into these studies and they count children in their count for "men". Children and child abuse are a whole different subject.

Imagine if you will a time long past, the 1950's, a time of great segregation and mistreatment toward the black community. Now imagine someone telling you that the black people of the time were not mistreated anymore than the white people, and that in fact black people lynch, segregate and flat out kill as many white people as the other way around. You would be dumbstruck with the idiocy of such a statement, i hope, and rightly so. Now try and apply that to today's situation regarding women.

Here is a wonderful quote from my old representative from the 3rd district of georgia:
and i paraphrase as i was present during this quotes inception... "things are hard now days, with the economic crisis (and... while typing this i spelled crisis like crysis...)... when i was a kid things were so much better, so much easier... the women were in the kitchen and america was a better country..."

No, it dosent. Subjigated groups have "rights movements"

Examples:
Gay rights
Women's rights
The civil rights movements of the 60's and 70's
Latino rights

And who were the ones withholding rights in all of those cases? White Christian Men. The oppressor does not get a rights movement.

Well, i lied. I shall rebut, just this once.

Mens rights? MENS RIGHTS! MENS FUACKING RIGHTS!? Are you absolutely shitting me?? Has your brain absolutely gone that far off the deep end. Have you lost touch with this wonderful place we call reality that you would use a term like "mens rights" pow-faced? Men have the rights, men distribute the rights to those who are bellow them, MENS RIGHTS is a made up term.

This asinine attitude of "oh they are victimized so i want to be too!" is so disgustingly childish, so beyond rational thought it sickens me that you share the same species as i. grow the hell up. Take reality for a spin some day, its quite fun.

As someone who has personally been discriminated against my whole life for no other reason than my birth, i hole heatedly support the feminist movement. I believe in equal rights and equal opportunity for all. To not believe in such is a sin worse than all the rest. Be nice, be happy, treat all others with respect and kindness, its not a very hard life philosophy to live by.

Edit: oh... im a dude... i dont know if that came across...

OMG what part of not talking to do you do you not understand? One of your articles that you so smugly posted, I ALREADY POSTED IN RESPONSE TO ANOTHER PERSON!!!!!!! Or at least one with the same information. You can read my deconstruction of that if you want!!

Did some evil six foot five tall 200lb women physicality and sexual abuse you at some point in the past? This irrational, vile distrust of a group of people who's only crime was being born with their reproductive parts on the inside is something beyond evil.

I don't know, my only experiences wit women is as a friend, being a member of the rainbow squad and all, but i have never EVER met this cartoon-ishly evil, seductive archetype of a women once in my life.

And no, no i will not be responding to whatever ill conceived, hateful, sexist thing you feel like responding at me. Please stop co-opting conversations in the message boards (ive seen you before) and go be nice and happy with all the other good boys and girls in the not-internet world. I must now leave for i have a date... with a real person... something i doubt you have much experience with.

Oh god, im not going to debate with you... ive seen you before and meet people of your persuasion. One day you will, hopefully, wake up and realize that taking an opinion because you want to be contrary is not a healthy thing to do. Your words are the regurgitation labyrinth of machination created by a particularly spiteful group of persons who dont want woman's equality. Please, for your own sake, stop being contrary for the sake of contrariety, and start formulating your own opinions based on your own experiences, like an adult...

and here i was hoping to have an adult conversation... oh well

And what possible purpose would the evil women have for misleading all you soft and trusting men? I mean honestly, its attitude like this that holds our nation and our culture back. You have created a false narrative for a group that you have been told falsities about. Attitudes like this lead to very very bad things historically, i would hope that a group like us gamers would understand somewhat of whats its like to be subjugated. Why cant we all just be nice and happy and get along with each other? its not hard... really...

Aw, and here i was hoping to have a thread without insults... dow well.

I would love to see your statistics source study... unless you... pulled it out of your butt...

and i love love love when people claim that feminists are somehow sexist. I have spoken to and am friends with many people who would be considered extreme feminists and never have i felt that they are in any way sexist. Its a slur, calling feminists sexist, that is founded on nothing other than a knee jerk defensive reaction from people who oppose feminism.

and... i apologize for any typos, i just got a new keyboard

SNIP

you want some stats man?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/jan/22/alantravis
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/85-224-x2010000-eng.pdf

there's some.

and here's a feminist organization that's using fake stats.

http://www.mavaw.org/

If you watch, you can notice most if not all the stats used are 15 years old. Intentionally misleading. Both sides of Domestic Violence need to be addressed, many feminists simply don't agree.

And here's the founder of the first battered woman's refuge backing me up, she knew the score.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pizzey-makes-a-stand-for-the-battered-man-1083534.html

I'm not going to play the speculation game with you, nor did I say all women or evil or any nonsense as that, stop building straw men. It's more likely it's just ignorance or confirmation bias, as is your case.

Those stats are as solid as you can get. All I ask is that there be almost as many shelters for men as there are for women, because men need help to. You are not going to end the violence by pretending there is only one side to the issue, and until feminism catches up to the realities of domestic violence today, I'm not going to support them. Show me the feminist groups trying to get men's shelters open, or educate people about DV against both genders, I'll believe they are about equality.

The insulting of people who advocate for men's rights is not helping your case.

Look at the stats and stop being blind to your own bias. I fight for everyone's rights, maybe you should do the same.

You stand here with a straight face telling me I'm buying into some kind of agenda, yet you ignore the stats I posted, from UK and Canada, you ignore the woman who founded the FIRST woman's shelter (she should be a feminist icon BTW). Yet you have the gall to tell me I'm not forming my own opinions?

How about you do some real research into the groups you support, instead of blindly running to their defence.

I'll post the stats again, if you're mature enough to actually look at them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/jan/22/alantravis
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/85-224-x2010000-eng.pdf

Actually I've been in a stable monogamous relationship for the past three years. And we're both quite happy in fact. But I do appreciate the wild strawmanning of my opinions and assumptions about my history and relationships. Really shows the quality of person that calls themselves feminist.

Proves my point about feminist attitudes to people who advocate for men's rights as well. Good job becoming an example.

Yeah men's rights. You are now displaying the classic feminist attitude when someone says that. Congrats.

Men need shelters too, the stats prove it. Why are you against taking care of battered men? I'm not saying close down the woman's shelters, I'm saying open up some shelters for men too.

Domestic violence against men is a real issue and needs real answers, not this dismissal coming from a proud feminist, who apparently supports "equal rights" yeah. Real equal.

You are making this a gender war. If feminism is really about equality, it should not be a gender war.

Equality does not come by pitting two sides against each other or demonizing the other side with false information.

And did you say domestic violence against men doesn't need real answers or isn't a real issue?

And you seriously want me to think feminism is about equality when you're going to represent it like this?

 

[moopig66]

I hoped his words of wisdom would rub off on you. Misandry, which makes wavy red lines appear below it as it is not a word... well... isn't a word. I, as a male, do not discriminate against men because they are men... that would be weird considering i BONE THEM! If i was a gay misandrist, it would be very hard to find positional dates considering my hate for them...

My friend mister Sterling of the Jimquisition fame:

http://www.gamefront.com/misandry-in-videogames-oh-grow-the-f-k-up/

No, it dosent. Subjigated groups have "rights movements"

Examples:
Gay rights
Women's rights
The civil rights movements of the 60's and 70's
Latino rights

And who were the ones withholding rights in all of those cases? White Christian Men. The oppressor does not get a rights movement.

Well, i lied. I shall rebut, just this once.

Mens rights? MENS RIGHTS! MENS FUACKING RIGHTS!? Are you absolutely shitting me?? Has your brain absolutely gone that far off the deep end. Have you lost touch with this wonderful place we call reality that you would use a term like "mens rights" pow-faced? Men have the rights, men distribute the rights to those who are bellow them, MENS RIGHTS is a made up term.

This asinine attitude of "oh they are victimized so i want to be too!" is so disgustingly childish, so beyond rational thought it sickens me that you share the same species as i. grow the hell up. Take reality for a spin some day, its quite fun.

As someone who has personally been discriminated against my whole life for no other reason than my birth, i hole heatedly support the feminist movement. I believe in equal rights and equal opportunity for all. To not believe in such is a sin worse than all the rest. Be nice, be happy, treat all others with respect and kindness, its not a very hard life philosophy to live by.

Edit: oh... im a dude... i dont know if that came across...

OMG what part of not talking to do you do you not understand? One of your articles that you so smugly posted, I ALREADY POSTED IN RESPONSE TO ANOTHER PERSON!!!!!!! Or at least one with the same information. You can read my deconstruction of that if you want!!

Did some evil six foot five tall 200lb women physicality and sexual abuse you at some point in the past? This irrational, vile distrust of a group of people who's only crime was being born with their reproductive parts on the inside is something beyond evil.

I don't know, my only experiences wit women is as a friend, being a member of the rainbow squad and all, but i have never EVER met this cartoon-ishly evil, seductive archetype of a women once in my life.

And no, no i will not be responding to whatever ill conceived, hateful, sexist thing you feel like responding at me. Please stop co-opting conversations in the message boards (ive seen you before) and go be nice and happy with all the other good boys and girls in the not-internet world. I must now leave for i have a date... with a real person... something i doubt you have much experience with.

Oh god, im not going to debate with you... ive seen you before and meet people of your persuasion. One day you will, hopefully, wake up and realize that taking an opinion because you want to be contrary is not a healthy thing to do. Your words are the regurgitation labyrinth of machination created by a particularly spiteful group of persons who dont want woman's equality. Please, for your own sake, stop being contrary for the sake of contrariety, and start formulating your own opinions based on your own experiences, like an adult...

and here i was hoping to have an adult conversation... oh well

And what possible purpose would the evil women have for misleading all you soft and trusting men? I mean honestly, its attitude like this that holds our nation and our culture back. You have created a false narrative for a group that you have been told falsities about. Attitudes like this lead to very very bad things historically, i would hope that a group like us gamers would understand somewhat of whats its like to be subjugated. Why cant we all just be nice and happy and get along with each other? its not hard... really...

Aw, and here i was hoping to have a thread without insults... dow well.

I would love to see your statistics source study... unless you... pulled it out of your butt...

and i love love love when people claim that feminists are somehow sexist. I have spoken to and am friends with many people who would be considered extreme feminists and never have i felt that they are in any way sexist. Its a slur, calling feminists sexist, that is founded on nothing other than a knee jerk defensive reaction from people who oppose feminism.

and... i apologize for any typos, i just got a new keyboard

SNIP

you want some stats man?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/jan/22/alantravis
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/85-224-x2010000-eng.pdf

there's some.

and here's a feminist organization that's using fake stats.

http://www.mavaw.org/

If you watch, you can notice most if not all the stats used are 15 years old. Intentionally misleading. Both sides of Domestic Violence need to be addressed, many feminists simply don't agree.

And here's the founder of the first battered woman's refuge backing me up, she knew the score.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pizzey-makes-a-stand-for-the-battered-man-1083534.html

I'm not going to play the speculation game with you, nor did I say all women or evil or any nonsense as that, stop building straw men. It's more likely it's just ignorance or confirmation bias, as is your case.

Those stats are as solid as you can get. All I ask is that there be almost as many shelters for men as there are for women, because men need help to. You are not going to end the violence by pretending there is only one side to the issue, and until feminism catches up to the realities of domestic violence today, I'm not going to support them. Show me the feminist groups trying to get men's shelters open, or educate people about DV against both genders, I'll believe they are about equality.

The insulting of people who advocate for men's rights is not helping your case.

Look at the stats and stop being blind to your own bias. I fight for everyone's rights, maybe you should do the same.

You stand here with a straight face telling me I'm buying into some kind of agenda, yet you ignore the stats I posted, from UK and Canada, you ignore the woman who founded the FIRST woman's shelter (she should be a feminist icon BTW). Yet you have the gall to tell me I'm not forming my own opinions?

How about you do some real research into the groups you support, instead of blindly running to their defence.

I'll post the stats again, if you're mature enough to actually look at them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/jan/22/alantravis
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/85-224-x2010000-eng.pdf

Actually I've been in a stable monogamous relationship for the past three years. And we're both quite happy in fact. But I do appreciate the wild strawmanning of my opinions and assumptions about my history and relationships. Really shows the quality of person that calls themselves feminist.

Proves my point about feminist attitudes to people who advocate for men's rights as well. Good job becoming an example.

Yeah men's rights. You are now displaying the classic feminist attitude when someone says that. Congrats.

Men need shelters too, the stats prove it. Why are you against taking care of battered men? I'm not saying close down the woman's shelters, I'm saying open up some shelters for men too.

Domestic violence against men is a real issue and needs real answers, not this dismissal coming from a proud feminist, who apparently supports "equal rights" yeah. Real equal.

Protip:

You are not for equal rights. You are just a plain old misandrist.

And somehow Jims article, which certainly isn't amoung his best work, makes you not a misandrist? That's not how it works pal.

 

[Epona]

Misandry, which makes wavy red lines appear below it as it is not a word... well... isn't a word

Spellcheckers are behind but according to dictionary.com, it is a word.

misandry [mis-an-dree]  

noun
hatred of males.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misandry

I, as a male, do not discriminate against men because they are men... that would be weird considering i BONE THEM!

So, are you saying that heterosexual men cannot be misoginists?

 

[Darkmantle]

I hoped his words of wisdom would rub off on you. Misandry, which makes wavy red lines appear below it as it is not a word... well... isn't a word. I, as a male, do not discriminate against men because they are men... that would be weird considering i BONE THEM! If i was a gay misandrist, it would be very hard to find positional dates considering my hate for them...

WOAH! WOAH! Umm Moopig, I'm all for sharing and such but no one asked about your sexual preference and you are clearing the too much information line. The only reason you are getting that reaction from Jiggy is cause of the way you have been treating other people in this forum thread.

The topic clearly does not require you mentioning your sexual preference and you could easily of said you overreacted and started over and have a conversation with Jiggy instead.

It's the same logic that a black person can't be racist against black people, or your not racist because you have a black friend. The old uncle tom kind of thinking.

 

[moopig66]

I apologize, i was put in RAGE MODE, upon reading some of my fellow escapist's comments.

As someone who knows what its like, and i know im bringing that up a lot now but... i feel it adds some weight to the conversation or rather my opinion, this specific subject understandably can hit close to home. It does disturb me however to see people basically stating their disapproval for women equality. Having an opinion is one thing, but prejudice disguised as "asking questions" is not a valid opinion to hold as it is not an opinion but rather a prejudice.

I want to see us all living in a nice happy world where we can all get along, but to do so we must first stamp out the prejudice that plagues us (yes i know... colorful words...) Even on the internet, all opinions are not valid, an opinion that i know many may disagree with. Racism is not a valid opinion as it is not based on fact but rather personal misunderstandings and inbred prejudice. Likewise, sexism toward women is not a valid opinion to express anywhere, education is a must. Now obviously im not saying sexists should be shot, but they should be given a nice lecture, however i also know that, in the words of Spock, one cannot be brought to a rational conclusion if they have not reached their own conclusion based on logic.

We keep pretending its ok to say redirection things about any subject like this. And underneath every (...most... but "every" sounds more exciting) opposing sentiment is a subtext of pure sexism.

The definition of sexism is, via Wikipedia (long quote): "Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women.[1][2] In addition, feminism seeks to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist is "an advocate or supporter of the rights and equality of women." I hope that each and every person out there agrees with these sentiments, that women out to be equal and that they deserve an appropriately proportionate role in our society. And this "men are victimized too!!!" attitude that just translates to a MEE TOO attitude is just laced with sexism. We as men are of a privileged we cant even begin to understand, there are so many more doors open to us from birth, specifically if you happen to be white and straight. And we forget that fact and fall into a defensive mode whenever confronted with this knowledge, and for what? So we can stay special? Is it because you dont feel privileged, because you work for a living? Im sure you do, im sure you work very hard and im sure you diverse what you get, but not everyone is presented in life with the same opportunities that lead to your success.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the Y chromosome, and no feminist thinks that there is, no matter what some Conservative blogger pushes. And ya there have been a few "feminists" who have said that all men are evil. but they arnt feminists, their wrong. Feminism is about equality for all, a sentiment that i hope everyone can get behind.

Oh... and i apologize for all the typeos... its late here in Portland... though its much later out east... i resend my excuse...

My friend mister Sterling of the Jimquisition fame:

http://www.gamefront.com/misandry-in-videogames-oh-grow-the-f-k-up/

Question: Are you really presenting opinion as fact here?

I mean I've read your posts and honestly I really don't see you actually sharing your stance on the issue or definition of feminism. All I've seen you do is charge in headfirst and tell other people on this forum that they are wrong and just focus on being negative rather than positive.

You are for some reason focused like this is some battle where there are winners and losers where in actuality you are in a forum where people are here to have a conversation and share their opinions, thoughts and ideas. It would be better before you start actually having a debate with a person to actually see if they would like to debate the issue and actually share some sort of starting point.

Not everyone is going to agree with you, especially with some radical statements that you have made tonight. But you know what? That is okay, but don't think that a person is attacking you because they disagree with you on a forum. You are forgetting that the written word lacks tone, as humans our main mode of communication if voice. To which your reading comprehension on these forums demonstrates that you are perceiving that the people who are typing to you are somehow yelling at you to which only explains why you have taken such a radical stance and made declarations like "right wing tactics".

You would best be served to stop, think, and not be afraid to actually ask questions. There is nothing wrong with asking questions as it helps leads to that understanding so you are both on the same page. Darkmantle tried his best but you clearly did not give him that equality or follow any sort of golden rule.

 

[moopig66]

My point being, and one that either went over your head or defeated your line of reasoning, was that its quite hard for someone... like me... to be this made up word.

Oh, and dont pull that debate cop-out "oh, im going to overreact now to deflect attention toward you!" its rather easy to see through.

I hoped his words of wisdom would rub off on you. Misandry, which makes wavy red lines appear below it as it is not a word... well... isn't a word. I, as a male, do not discriminate against men because they are men... that would be weird considering i BONE THEM! If i was a gay misandrist, it would be very hard to find positional dates considering my hate for them...

WOAH! WOAH! Umm Moopig, I'm all for sharing and such but no one asked about your sexual preference and you are clearing the too much information line. The only reason you are getting that reaction from Jiggy is cause of the way you have been treating other people in this forum thread.

The topic clearly does not require you mentioning your sexual preference and you could easily of said you overreacted and started over and have a conversation with Jiggy instead.

 

[Darkmantle]

It's the same logic that a black person can't be racist against black people, or your not racist because you have a black friend. The old uncle tom kind of thinking.

I think you are quoting the wrong person there Darkmantle...

I'm not planning on responding to him further, but you seemed completely shocked when he brought his sexuality into it, so I figured I'd explain why he'd bring it up like this, I've seen that kind of thing before after all

I'm trying to stay out of it now, but it's hard to ignore

 

[moopig66]

really... some ad-laden website from the neather is your source...?

Wikipedia is so much better!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry

anyhoo... i bring up my sexuality to shed light upon where my understanding comes from, and because being called a word that, no matter what the internet asserts, makes wavy red lines appear underneath it, is an assertion that would be counter to my orientation.

As well, no actual dictionary has it, or as far as i can find, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary but rather a reference sight, which can define made up words.

I hoped his words of wisdom would rub off on you. Misandry, which makes wavy red lines appear below it as it is not a word... well... isn't a word. I, as a male, do not discriminate against men because they are men... that would be weird considering i BONE THEM! If i was a gay misandrist, it would be very hard to find positional dates considering my hate for them...

1. I don't give the slightest shit where you put your junk and it has no bearing at all on you being a misandrist.

2. For your reading pleasure:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misandry

 

[moopig66]

Well the people here do make the laws, if their in America, they Vote. And feminism isnt really loaded, its been twisted by its dissenters, sadly effectively, and it saddens me that so many are unable to at least embrace it in some way. And weather or not you identify with feminism is aside the point, it weather you agree with its philosophies. And i hope most people, or rather all, do agree. But many MANY people out there have fallen into this sad mindset of feminism having any negative connotation to it.

As well, I CANT BELIEVE THAT YOU SEXIST MOTHER... im just kidding... i liked your video!

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Hey I'm the conservative guy here just trying to help ya out. Most of the people here posting who say they aren't feminists or don't like to identify as feminists on this thread are simply saying that they don't identify as feminists due to all the loaded concepts that come with the word. Especially when you consider the interpretations of the feminist theory to which is its own school of thought.

Ya gotta know though that none of these people who disagree with you are against ya. They are just other people here who like to play video games that are sharing their opinions. They aren't the ones legislating laws. Concepts like racism and sexism are usually rooted in irrationality or experiences that are based on one's heritage, experiences both positive and negative that simply can't be pinned down easy.

But if you really do have a problem with the philosophical thought of conservatism, have you checked out this guy? He does some pretty solid blogging when it comes to politics. You might find that the other side actually does have a conversation and calls out the bullshit lines that you will hear from the political theater that is FOX, CNN, and MSNBC.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/

 

[moopig66]

Well... it does not, we all live in a society and we dont get to make up words to fit our sexist fantasies. It comes from the same mindset that thinks Christians in america are oppressed, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

really... some ad-laden website from the neather is your source...?

Wikipedia is so much better!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry

anyhoo... i bring up my sexuality to shed light upon where my understanding comes from, and because being called a word that, no matter what the internet asserts, makes wavy red lines appear underneath it, is an assertion that would be counter to my orientation.

As well, no actual dictionary has it, or as far as i can find, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary but rather a reference sight, which can define made up words.

I hoped his words of wisdom would rub off on you. Misandry, which makes wavy red lines appear below it as it is not a word... well... isn't a word. I, as a male, do not discriminate against men because they are men... that would be weird considering i BONE THEM! If i was a gay misandrist, it would be very hard to find positional dates considering my hate for them...

1. I don't give the slightest shit where you put your junk and it has no bearing at all on you being a misandrist.

2. For your reading pleasure:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misandry

Are you honestly going to say that firefox is a better source than wikipedia and the dictionary?

Misandry is just the hatred of men, it exists, and it's not a complicated concept. M

 

[repeating integers]

I am all for equality in everything!

I hate feminazi's though, and by that I mean the ones who want men to be wiped off the face of the earth eg this ***** here...

http://thefemitheist.blogspot.com.br/2012/04/allow-me-to-introduce-myself.html

...Who believes that every man should be castrated, and should be executed if they refuse. (She isn't trolling either, she's got an entire youtube channel devoted to that stuff.

Uh, yeah, she is trolling and it's fucking obvious, she even has a list of Anti-Feminist Youtubers on the Sidebar.

You know, I thought so too at first. But apparently this woman once wrote "*****" on her daughter's forehead and threatened to kill her, so it looks like she's a genuine crazy.

Captcha: sudo make sandwich. Dafuq?

 

[zefiris]

Most of the people here posting who say they aren't feminists or don't like to identify as feminists on this thread are simply saying that they don't identify as feminists due to all the loaded concepts that come with the word.

Nah. In reality, there is no baggage or loaded concept that comes with the word. These people simply are sexist and cannot handle women having equal rights. This is why they pretend there is baggage with the word.

When in reality, it's just butthurt men insisting that it's bad.

Men and Women are different! We think different, we act different, We are different.

This is intellectually dishonest. An average man and an average woman are somewhat different. The same is true for every group of men being different from other groups of men.

In fact, men from different groups are, on average, more different than men are, on average, different from other women. The problem is that people like you don't understand this.

So, yes, men and women are different. And men and other men are also different. Clinging to the "they're different!" as if it had merit doesn't get you anywhere, sorry. Humans generally are very different from other humans. DUH.

Example Pay, More men take the dangerous, undesirable work and generally favour connivance over comforts. Women the opposite generally going for comfort, easy commute, benefits etc. over money. And guess what because of that men get paid more on average.

This proves that you have no idea what you are talking about. For one, the wage gap is generally existing for people with the exact same job, so some random nonsense you made up about what jobs women take doesn't exactly help your point.

Furthermore, it's a completely idiotic argument, because wage has nothing to do with the job being dangerous or undesirable. The jobs that are, by far, the most well paid also tend to be completely lacking in dangerousness.

Men get shat on when it comes to devour and child custody.

This is because of misogyny, actually: If you keep pushing that women should be caregivers and not men, then yes, the opposite effect is that men don't get to be. This is pretty much the consequence of misogyny. The solution here? More equality. If caregiving is not automatically a woman's job, then men would not be shat on so much there.

Proof: Scandinavic countries. The less sexism a country has, the better men stand if they want to take family time. Simple fact. IN fact: This issue is evidence for sexism in general.

Once we are at a point where nobody will give a damn if a guy stays home to take care of kids because it doesn't matter and their gender doesn't play into it, then sexism is probably over.

Until then, it's not.

And Women generally get less jail time than men for the same crimes.

Actually, this isn't true. There are many crimes where women get harsher sentences.
Murder, for example. If a man kills his wife "because she cheated", he will get a lot less jailtime than if a woman kills her husband because "he cheated". There's actually legal precedent for this in Britain, and it hasn't been challenged yet (because, lets face it, people don't exactly care about the rights of wife-killers or husband-killers).

Factually, you are wrong. Again.

So all in all I think the equal rights thing is done and does not need to go further

Actually, you're proved that we still have a long way to go. It's far from done.

Equal rights doesn't mean "men have it easier nearly everywhere, but the difference isn't AS big anymore, so we can call it a day!"

It means actually equal rights. That means that men and women can pick any task based on their individual capability and not get into trouble for it/get equal pay.

This includes, for example, men raising kids, if they so want. This also includes both genders being taken serious when making a complaint about rape. As serious as, say, a complaint about getting your car stolen.

Not the case right now, despite false car theft reports being a lot more common than fake rape reports.

It's not a straw feminist if there actually exist people like that in the real world

By this logic, wouldn't it be okay to hate all men because a few men are insane douchebags?
Wait, you'll say - not all men are like that, so that'd be bad!

Yes. And the same goes for feminists. I'm one, and I have never seen one of these supposed feminazis in real life, nor in online communities. I have never heard anyone utter the wish to "wipe out" or "castrate" men, nor have I ever observed any "women are better than men".

In fact, the ONLY people I have seen saying the "women are better" were men on 4chan.
Who aren't known for feminism.

On the other hand, despite not being in many male-focused groups, I have seen dozens of rape-threat campaigns against women (some of which with thousands of men joining in to try to silence a single woman - takes women vs tropes, which STILL has buttdevastated men bashing her with lies), have seen hundreds of threats of physical violence against feminists IRL, and have seen these threats being carried out.


I have far more a leg to stand on if I wanted to say "all men are assholes" or "men are bad". I don't say it. Why do you think is it more okay to say "feminism is bad" based on... a single crazy blogger who is probably a troll or actually clinically insane?

 

[moopig66]

I may of been responding to someone else when i quoted those stats... let me check... yup, i may of been on a tare there for a bit... oops... perhaps the intended target received the message?

And im using Chrome thank you very much, i never touch this Firefox thing you speak of

But, as i said before, you dont get to make up a word and pretend like its real because you want it to be, and you certainly dont get to pretend like this made up word is actually happening in that crazy place we call the real world!

Stoner... stoner... you wavy lines... Truthyness... damn, i was hoping that one was real... Feminist... hey, that one has no lines...

oh... no reference... sad face, and here i was hoping that you would reciprocate with a source that proved your point instead of deflecting the argument...

Asserting ones independence and equality is not sexism, its fair. I strongly support gay rights as someone directly affected by the outcome of said legislation, does this mean that im "hetrophobic"?

I never said feminism automatically makes you sexist, I said there are sexist feminists, and I never said you were one. If you really want a source then I can find some people who call themselves feminists who bluntly state that they hate men.

I heard that term the other day from a christian extremist person.. i like it... hetrophobic... although it does make little wavy lines appear underneath it... perhaps its because its not a real thing??

Stoner produces red lines underneath too. We don't base what's real and what's not on firefox spellcheck. And I've seen a few people online (a few as in I can count them on one hand) who say they hate straight people, but if you're honestly worried about them effecting your life then you're paranoid.

And I don't know why you're giving me stats about domestic abuse seeing as how I never brought it up, so I'm just going to ignore it.

 

[moopig66]

Yes, lots of things are older than me, like sexism... and homophobia... and racism...

How am i making up definitions?? Have you seen the man going their own way forum?

I have not once in my existence met anyone who hates men, they might not like the power they assert over them, they may not like their self appointed lordship over women, they may even avoid men as much as possible, but they dont hate men. And ive met MANY MANY far left liberals, im in Oregon after all.

Misandry does not mean they're oppressed, now stop making up definitions and especially sotp being a hypocrite.

You honestly think that nobody hates men? Because I can find people who say that they do really freaking easy.

Also
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misandry

The word is probably older than you are. Nobody here made it up.

Well... it does not, we all live in a society and we dont get to make up words to fit our sexist fantasies. It comes from the same mindset that thinks Christians in america are oppressed, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

really... some ad-laden website from the neather is your source...?

Wikipedia is so much better!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry

anyhoo... i bring up my sexuality to shed light upon where my understanding comes from, and because being called a word that, no matter what the internet asserts, makes wavy red lines appear underneath it, is an assertion that would be counter to my orientation.

As well, no actual dictionary has it, or as far as i can find, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary but rather a reference sight, which can define made up words.

I hoped his words of wisdom would rub off on you. Misandry, which makes wavy red lines appear below it as it is not a word... well... isn't a word. I, as a male, do not discriminate against men because they are men... that would be weird considering i BONE THEM! If i was a gay misandrist, it would be very hard to find positional dates considering my hate for them...

1. I don't give the slightest shit where you put your junk and it has no bearing at all on you being a misandrist.

2. For your reading pleasure:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misandry

Are you honestly going to say that firefox is a better source than wikipedia and the dictionary?

Misandry is just the hatred of men, it exists, and it's not a complicated concept. M

 

[zefiris]

t is not sexist to point out that equality cannot be achieved by focusing on the issues of a group that is so equal that they now mus

Wrong. Thanks for proving that you have no clue what you're talking about.

The things you call petty are hardly petty. If you had any idea whatsoever about sociology or how the human brain works - or how humans learn things when they grow up, and internalize them- you wouldn't write such complete nonsense.

These things matter a *lot*. You just don't really understand this because you are used to being catered to at all times, and are unwilling to look past your own situation.

You can take that propaganda and shove it right up where the sun doesn't shine. Many a moron has tried to tell me that I'm totally privileged, yet not a single one has yet managed to actually explain how I am privileged

Facts aren't propaganda. You chose to ignore the proof there is, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

You're just like a flat earther ignoring actual photos of the planet. I am sorry that you are butthurt about actual science proving this concept over, and over, and over. It must be hard to argue against science.

I personally couldn't really do it. I like the scientific approach too much, but it must be nice to live like you, ignoring facts, and just going along with your pre-concieved beliefs that you never question.

 

[moopig66]

I LIKE YOU!!!

I thought i was alone it the fight against these... gentlemen...

Most of the people here posting who say they aren't feminists or don't like to identify as feminists on this thread are simply saying that they don't identify as feminists due to all the loaded concepts that come with the word.

Nah. In reality, there is no baggage or loaded concept that comes with the word. These people simply are sexist and cannot handle women having equal rights. This is why they pretend there is baggage with the word.

When in reality, it's just butthurt men insisting that it's bad.

Men and Women are different! We think different, we act different, We are different.

This is intellectually dishonest. An average man and an average woman are somewhat different. The same is true for every group of men being different from other groups of men.

In fact, men from different groups are, on average, more different than men are, on average, different from other women. The problem is that people like you don't understand this.

So, yes, men and women are different. And men and other men are also different. Clinging to the "they're different!" as if it had merit doesn't get you anywhere, sorry. Humans generally are very different from other humans. DUH.

Example Pay, More men take the dangerous, undesirable work and generally favour connivance over comforts. Women the opposite generally going for comfort, easy commute, benefits etc. over money. And guess what because of that men get paid more on average.

This proves that you have no idea what you are talking about. For one, the wage gap is generally existing for people with the exact same job, so some random nonsense you made up about what jobs women take doesn't exactly help your point.

Furthermore, it's a completely idiotic argument, because wage has nothing to do with the job being dangerous or undesirable. The jobs that are, by far, the most well paid also tend to be completely lacking in dangerousness.

Men get shat on when it comes to devour and child custody.

This is because of misogyny, actually: If you keep pushing that women should be caregivers and not men, then yes, the opposite effect is that men don't get to be. This is pretty much the consequence of misogyny. The solution here? More equality. If caregiving is not automatically a woman's job, then men would not be shat on so much there.

Proof: Scandinavic countries. The less sexism a country has, the better men stand if they want to take family time. Simple fact. IN fact: This issue is evidence for sexism in general.

Once we are at a point where nobody will give a damn if a guy stays home to take care of kids because it doesn't matter and their gender doesn't play into it, then sexism is probably over.

Until then, it's not.

And Women generally get less jail time than men for the same crimes.

Actually, this isn't true. There are many crimes where women get harsher sentences.
Murder, for example. If a man kills his wife "because she cheated", he will get a lot less jailtime than if a woman kills her husband because "he cheated". There's actually legal precedent for this in Britain, and it hasn't been challenged yet (because, lets face it, people don't exactly care about the rights of wife-killers or husband-killers).

Factually, you are wrong. Again.

So all in all I think the equal rights thing is done and does not need to go further

Actually, you're proved that we still have a long way to go. It's far from done.

Equal rights doesn't mean "men have it easier nearly everywhere, but the difference isn't AS big anymore, so we can call it a day!"

It means actually equal rights. That means that men and women can pick any task based on their individual capability and not get into trouble for it/get equal pay.

This includes, for example, men raising kids, if they so want. This also includes both genders being taken serious when making a complaint about rape. As serious as, say, a complaint about getting your car stolen.

Not the case right now, despite false car theft reports being a lot more common than fake rape reports.

It's not a straw feminist if there actually exist people like that in the real world

By this logic, wouldn't it be okay to hate all men because a few men are insane douchebags?
Wait, you'll say - not all men are like that, so that'd be bad!

Yes. And the same goes for feminists. I'm one, and I have never seen one of these supposed feminazis in real life, nor in online communities. I have never heard anyone utter the wish to "wipe out" or "castrate" men, nor have I ever observed any "women are better than men".

In fact, the ONLY people I have seen saying the "women are better" were men on 4chan.
Who aren't known for feminism.

On the other hand, despite not being in many male-focused groups, I have seen dozens of rape-threat campaigns against women (some of which with thousands of men joining in to try to silence a single woman - takes women vs tropes, which STILL has buttdevastated men bashing her with lies), have seen hundreds of threats of physical violence against feminists IRL, and have seen these threats being carried out.


I have far more a leg to stand on if I wanted to say "all men are assholes" or "men are bad". I don't say it. Why do you think is it more okay to say "feminism is bad" based on... a single crazy blogger who is probably a troll or actually clinically insane?

 

[Darkmantle]

Snip

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Neither of you have ever seen a man hating feminist eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feminists

It was a real group, here are some choice quotes from the wiki if you don't like jumping links

""characterized men as the enemy,"[1] considered "Love" to be "'the response of the victim to the rapist'",[1] and believed that marriage as a "proprietary relationship"[1] and uterine pregnancy would "no longer prevail."[1]"

"" To liberate themselves from such oppressive roles, The Feminists held that the feminist movement must be entirely autonomous from men and eventually came to hold that women should be free of men in their personal lives as well.""

"" The Feminists moved in the direction of advocating matriarchy and developing a "woman's religion", ideas that later came to be known as cultural feminism.""

They disbanded in 1973, BUT..

""Although The Feminists disbanded in 1973, they played an important role in the development of cultural feminism, separatist feminism, and anti-pornography feminism (Barbara Mehrhof later became an organizer for Women Against Pornography)""

They assimilated into the greater feminist movement, and as quoted, shaped quite a bit of feminist theory.

that's an old example, but I hope you meet someone who thinks like this in your future, it's an eye-opening experience for many, IF they don't invoke no true scotsmen as a reactionary defence of course.

 

[moopig66]

My favorite part of your response was how it didn't respond to anything!

You know, i live in the northwest, and i think that people are being discriminatory toward me because of that. Its northwestaphobia! Its a thing now, because i said so... see how that dosent work?

And I've never met an astronaut or someone from South American, and yet they still exist.

Yes, lots of things are older than me, like sexism... and homophobia... and racism...

How am i making up definitions?? Have you seen the man going their own way forum?

I have not once in my existence met anyone who hates men, they might not like the power they assert over them, they may not like their self appointed lordship over women, they may even avoid men as much as possible, but they dont hate men. And ive met MANY MANY far left liberals, im in Oregon after all.

Misandry does not mean they're oppressed, now stop making up definitions and especially sotp being a hypocrite.

You honestly think that nobody hates men? Because I can find people who say that they do really freaking easy.

Also
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misandry

The word is probably older than you are. Nobody here made it up.

Well... it does not, we all live in a society and we dont get to make up words to fit our sexist fantasies. It comes from the same mindset that thinks Christians in america are oppressed, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

really... some ad-laden website from the neather is your source...?

Wikipedia is so much better!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry

anyhoo... i bring up my sexuality to shed light upon where my understanding comes from, and because being called a word that, no matter what the internet asserts, makes wavy red lines appear underneath it, is an assertion that would be counter to my orientation.

As well, no actual dictionary has it, or as far as i can find, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary but rather a reference sight, which can define made up words.

I hoped his words of wisdom would rub off on you. Misandry, which makes wavy red lines appear below it as it is not a word... well... isn't a word. I, as a male, do not discriminate against men because they are men... that would be weird considering i BONE THEM! If i was a gay misandrist, it would be very hard to find positional dates considering my hate for them...

1. I don't give the slightest shit where you put your junk and it has no bearing at all on you being a misandrist.

2. For your reading pleasure:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misandry

Are you honestly going to say that firefox is a better source than wikipedia and the dictionary?

Misandry is just the hatred of men, it exists, and it's not a complicated concept. M