Poll: Are you a feminist?

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Cheesepower5

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maturin said:
45% aren't advocates for equal rights for the sexes? Wow, you really are pigs.
I think the majority who voted no did so because they do not like identifying as a feminist, not because they don't support equality. While I agree with that sentiment, I voted yes as solely within the boundaries of the poll question and the provided term definitions it is where I fall.

I think the more accurate statement would be 45% don't take polls literally.
 

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MeTheMe said:
I think the primary problem in most discussions like this is a lack of understanding. Many people will say they don't like Feminism because they want to be superior. That's Misandary, not Feminism, which is just after equal rights. People say Feminists are radical, but in my experience that's a vocal minority. I don't think think there's anything inherently wrong with Feminism, but people need to know what they're talking about. I want equal rights for women just like men, so by definition, that makes me feminist, doesn't it?
I don't understand the need to invent many confusing and vague words to mean "treating each person fairly"(or not).
 

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maturin said:
45% aren't advocates for equal rights for the sexes? Wow, you really are pigs.
or alternatively a fair amount of people mis interpret what feminism is (the belief women should be equal). truthfully a fair amount of people don't like to identify as feminism due to all the different connotations related to word depending on who you talk to(and the many different shades of it). While i do believe in equal rights for all people and hope to 1 day live in star trek world in which race, sex, sexuality are non issues. i don't identify as a feminist due to the all various ways that can be interpreted. I.e.
Guy A: So your an feminist eh so you hate men when you yourself are a man?
Guy B: So your an feminist, what that means you want to see men emasculated?
Guy C: So your an feminist, that means you want equal rights between men and women but don't like sex?
Guy D: So you an feminist, which means you just want the sexes to be equal right?
Truthfully i'll say a fair amount of the 45% simply misinterpret the general meaning of the word and group behind the word or do want their to be equal rights they just don't want to identify as a feminism to avoid be misinterpreted as something they're not.
 

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I support equality of the sexes and the empowerment of women, but there are so many things associated with 'feminist' that I do not agree with that I can't honestly say that I entirely agree with being associated with them.

And, all things considered, I do, in fact, enjoy some stereotypes. The frilly girl stereotypes and the burly guy stereotypes, while some may find annoying or offensive, I find a bit enjoyable and endearing. imo, as long as you aren't showing a clear, divisive inequality between males and females, I don't mind if some stereotyping is involved. For one, I think magical girl shows (some, at least, like Puella Magi Madoka Magica) manage to show off the whole 'frilly girl aspect' while also showing off a degree of equality (and badassness).

I think the only thing I really don't like about female stereotyping is the clear objectification of women in comics. Yes, we get it. They have boobies. They don't exactly have to be a focal part of her attire, though.
 

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SecretNegative said:
"Are you a vegetarian? No? Then you hate animals!"

Or:

"Are you an envorimentalist? No? Then you hate the enviroment!"

Or:

"Are you a liberal? No? Then you hate freedom!"

Is exactly the same thing as:

"Are you a feminist? No? Then you are sexist and hate women!"
Wrong. If you don't believe in equal rights for women, then you are sexist.

If you don't eat meat, you are a vegetarian, no matter what you call yourself.

So if you aren't a feminist, you don't believe in equal rights for women. Unless you're too dumb to read the dictionary definition at the beginning of the thread and don't understand the meaning of words, which I like to think applies to 45%. After the whole Tropes vs Women thing, though, I have my doubts.
 

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Oh? A few examples? How about some reputable organizations!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Women%27s_Global_Leadership
http://www.mavaw.org/index2.asp
http://www.sfuwomenctr.ca/faqs.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INCITE!_Women_of_Color_Against_Violence

any organization that claims to try to end domestic violence and then goes on to say they only care about domestic violence against women, is not for equality. Yet many of these organizations and people are not only accepted in the movement, but praised. What am I to think of the movement?

The rates are about 45-55 men erring on the side of over representation, but the gap is closing, especially as men start reporting. We should be giving them help in men's shelters, not giving them scorn as others in this very thread suggest. That's why I don't support feminism.

EDIT: add these disgusting people too

http://www.nomas.org/node/107
So because organisations focus on domestic violence against women they are considered evil?
That logic would make any society to help blind people ignorant of the deaf. Domestic violence is different between the genders, and no one stops the formation of a group to support abused men.

The final group is criticising studies, using transparent sources. Though I don't like the tone of this "myth" talk, all it does is quoting scientists and essays that suggest that what you believe is wrong. I don't know if they're right, but I actually don't like to compare two evils, so no, I don't think that their article is helping much.
 

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I support some feminism, but i'm not a feminist. I like to think of myself as a humanist because I support equal rights and equality for everyone. I do not, however, support most of feminism.

Let me explain, some feminists are rational people working for the betterment of their gender. They fight for things like the fact that women get payed less and unfair workplace habits and the right to breastfeed in public. All things that are perfectly okay to fight for, such is their right.




Then you have the breed of feminism that seems to exist on this forum that works on moon logic. Where no matter what a woman does they are clearly in the right. Where a woman cannot and will not get in trouble for the awful crap they say, but god forbid a man make any joke about a woman being harmed, discouraged, about her body weight or image, or anything that does not make her look flattering.


You want proof? See that video above someone posted from ABC, or perhaps go looking up reactions from women to that Lorena Bobbit incident back in the 90's.

So in closure? I believe in real feminism.
 

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SecretNegative said:
maturin said:
Wrong. If you don't believe in equal rights for women, then you are sexist.

If you don't eat meat, you are a vegetarian, no matter what you call yourself.

So if you aren't a feminist, you don't believe in equal rights for women. Unless you're too dumb to read the dictionary definition at the beginning of the thread and don't understand the meaning of words, which I like to think applies to 45%. After the whole Tropes vs Women thing, though, I have my doubts.
I call bullshit, as do a lot of people on this forum.

But you go on, keep believing that women are universally hated and maybe you can get a few sympathy points on the backwater of the the internet.
I'm just going to go ahead and say you're both wrong.

Saying you're not a feminist doesn't make you sexist by default. Believing that women should have anything less but completely equal rights and privileges to men would make you sexist, in my eyes.

However, I don't think anyone, even the most ardent feminists on the planet; feminist s who would look at me and see nothing less than The Oppressor, truly believes that women are 'universally hated'. Not anyone with ties to reality, in any case.
 

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I refuse to identify myself as feminist. I think the name sounds far too stupid. I also dislike the connotations it carries. I'm all about dem equal rights and fair treatment, though.
 

RoBi3.0

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I support equal rights and treatment for all human beings. What does that make me?
 

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Urgh, I feel like every time this topic is wheeled out (and I've read quite a few more of these threads than I've commented on), for all people involved (feminists, humanists, baconists [that'd be equal rights for bacon, damnit], masculinists, equalists, or whatever you happen to decide you're for) about 50% of them want to have a rational discussion and about 50% of them want to tell their respective opposing faction just how much of an ass they're being, and how the former individual's opinion is right without a shadow of a doubt.

OT: I consider myself a feminist. I like rights for me. I don't like people telling me who I'm supposed to be based on my gender. This has gotten to the point where whenever someone decides what is female, I don't usually fall in the jurisdiction of the standard definition. I mean, I have all the parts. They work (-ish), although I guess I haven't tested my ability to produce children. But I like math, grew up playing with pretend swords, I dislike wearing makeup or revealing clothing, I like video games, I don't like healer classes (I've just started warming up to the medic in TF2, but I've hated every healer in every MMO ever, and this is not from a lack of trying. I just can't get into making health bars go up when it's so damn satisfying to make them go away), I don't like clothes shopping (unless under very specific circumstances, i.e. with exactly two unique human beings), I like Lego shopping/computer part shopping/video game shopping/action figure shopping/comic book shopping/anime convention shopping, I hate shoe shopping (under all conditions. Of course, I've worked in that department before, too. No one likes shoe shopping. No one. It's a hellhole of negativity), and I like collectible card games despite the fact that they eat absolutely all of my money. I could go on. Really. For every list of "girls are genetically predisposed to like X" I can think of at least a few reasons why I must not be a freaking girl.

On that note, as was the conclusion of a 5am argument I had with a friend: yeah, men and women are genetically different. But I don't think we're vastly different. I think a lot of the difference is socially ingrained. I think that's the part we need to change. No need to fix whatever genetic part is different, but it would help to accommodate some of that (like women who want to be firefighters aren't necessarily weaker than men, they might just be more adept at carrying things on a different part of their body from men). As for what, exactly, is the genetic extent of our personalities, I think we'll never know for certain as long as we don't engage in the forbidden experiment (and aren't able to completely unravel the purpose of every gene in our DNA). I could even be horribly wrong and all women are the way they are due to completely genetic reasons and I'm just making myself miserable by fighting against them. But I like to think I actually like the things I enjoy. And I like to think that people's perceptions of things are more powerful than the reality of the actual things (this goes both ways: the fact that men are ignored in custody battles can be downright tragic sometimes; just because men are seen as less nurturing does not make this truth).

As far as terms with negative connotations: "gamer" has those. I take it anyway. I like games. There should be nothing wrong with that. I think I should have the right to be whatever it is I want to. There is nothing wrong with that either; terms be damned.

TL;DR: This post is long and ranty. Sorry for the page dump.
 

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Im an equalist. Or whatever. I think everyone deserves basic equal human rights because for fucks sake people everyone fucking thinks this and if anyone thinks you deserve to be treated worse or better based on stupid things like race, gender or pubic hair colour that person tends to be a cretin and we all fucking know this. Seriously. Im tired of this discussion. Vitrol and hatred on a scale ive never seen come wheeling out over definitions and technicalities and im tired. Who cares. Seriously. Who cares about those stupid things.

I, like basically 90% of all humans, obviously know equal rights for all is good and right. You can call it equalist. You can call it feminist. You can call it masculinist. You can call it shit-in-mouth-dumb-fuckery. What you label my views is irrelivant to me and links me in no way to others who recieve this label. Maybe in your eyes. But not to myself. And in the end isnt that what matters the most? Fuck labels. Vote for equal rights, treat others with equal rights and think whatever you want free of these weird arguement inducing names. Just DO stuff. Just be FAIR to others. Anyone with half a brain can tell its not fair that there are differences in gender. Just dont contribute to them. Teach your kids not to. Thats the best think you can do. If someone wants to group it or pigeon hole it thats their business. Dont make it yours. And dont wall others out for not wanting YOUR specific label. Because its all the same stuff people. Its all the same stuff.

TLDR: If you want to call me that then why the fuck not.
 

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SecretNegative said:
I call bullshit, as do a lot of people on this forum.
Calling bullshit. Sure is easier than refuting arguments, amiright?

But you go on, keep believing that women are universally hated and maybe you can get a few sympathy points on the backwater of the the internet.
If you look up the meaning of 'universal,' you will find that it doesn't apply to the figure of 45%. And I don't think most of the 45% hate women, in fact they probably like them quite a bit, so long as they don't make any troublesome noises about equality and human dignity and activate your pathetic adolescent persecution complex.

PS, I'm a man.

Now now we all know the Tropes vs women thing doesnt prove that the majority of men are sexist pigs, just male gamers.
Naturally. I was referring to the poll results on this website.

And there are plenty of people who do believe in equal rights and aren't feminists, fancy that.
They're feminists and don't know it or deny it, just like there are so many sexists on this website that deny it.
 

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Suki_ said:
Father Time said:
Can't tell if you're serious but in case you aren't

Youtube is not a gaming community, and cherry picking a few quotes does not mean you get to blanket statements against all of them especially when a lot of people were attacking the trolls.
Its not just youtube the exact same thing happened on this website as well. Do you also honestly expect me to believe that all of those sexist comments about a video about GAMING were not coming from gamers? Or that those people on GAMING websites were not actually gamers? Your post is so rediculous its not even funny.
There was quite a backlash against the comments made to that Sarkeesian fellow. Even most people who disagree with her assertions thought "Yeah that's fucking stupid" about the idiotic rape comments and XBOX live level douchebaggery.

Some sexists = male gamers.
Not all male gamers = sexist.

Lurn2distinguish
 

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Dasick said:
It's funny that you(she) mention(s) a "fictional world where genders are already equal". Because in her "Tropes vs Women" videos she is arguing that even in the fictional worlds, there still exists a wedge between the genders (as seen by the use of tropes). So which is it?
What? No, she doesn't. "Sexist fictional worlds" was never an issue, otherwise people would be up in arms about Westeros and the GoT series, even if sexism is essential for the story. Now, from what I understand, Tropes vs. Women is meant to describe how gaming only offers a male-centered perspective, and female characters often conform to tropes meant to appeal to the male audience. Most female protagonists suffer no sexism in their respective fictional worlds, because they're ass-kicking lollipop-licking sexy engines of destruction; however, in the context of the real world, such depictions are sexist because they rely only on sex appeal towards males, and exclude and alienate every other demographic. In addition, the industry offers few alternatives.

Dasick said:
Single-dimension villains are a result of bad writing. Sure, it says something about something else that a feminazi is an instantly recognizable and acceptable target, but eliminating the stereotype will only shift the perception of who is an acceptable target.

In my opinion, the real solution is demanding better writing. And I agree with you in a sense; shitty writing in children's shows is a really horrible thing for our society. (I personally believe cartoons to be the ultimate test of one's writing ability; we have far too many people failing)
Agreed that children's shows deserve far more attention than they are given, and that bad writing is the main concern. But I don't think the feminazi is recognizable because she's a real, ubiquitous threat to gender equality (as she is presented in the shows) - how many male rights have been infringed upon in the last half-century? How much have men "lost" due to the feminist movement, exactly? What damage has been done to gender equality that would prove the existence of feminazi oppression? I really find it hard to believe that the feminazi is anything but a defence mechanism that we erect when we feel some of our long-standing man-privileges are under attack, or when we are being forced to take a woman seriously.

Dasick said:
Have you never heard a woman say something along the lines of "all men are pigs" based on something her boyfriend/husband did? It's not really "feminism"(as some perceive it) or reverse-sexism or any other form of "ism"s. It's just a result of human nature. We tend to simplify things, and exaggerate them based on our emotions.
Why would a woman saying "all men are pigs" be representative of an entire movement? And why would that largely meaningless and colloquial statement somehow make it okay to have gender inequality? Regardless of whether all women think "men are pigs", and all men think "women are whores", the end result is a world where women are under-represented and under-appreciated in politics, science, technology, legal matters, health and overall quality of life. You can't just shrug that problem off under "human nature."

SecretNegative said:
The hell?

I made my comment in about page 11, the hell have you been doing?

Anyways, her argument are easily defeated, she has no evidence to her support her claims, she tries to be funny but she fails, you don't seem to respond to arguments in my post, you make weird claims and don't seem to bring any point to this topic.

I have no wish to debate you you, goodbye.
...It's an internet forum, not a live debate. Your presence isn't required, and I'm not posting for you. Plus, the topic is 3 days old, I'm not necroposting or anything.
 

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misterprickly said:
In it's current state... No.

Feminism has changed so much from its original cause (equal rights) and is now the very thing that it used to despise IE: a form of sexism.

I still remember how the feminist community verbally attacked Gloria Steinem when she got married saying that she was betraying the movement.
They all did? I'm not aware personally of any feminists who claim that marriage is bad or that relationships with men are bad. Or even that all men are necessarily inherently bad. And I follow quite a few. Networks of them, even.
 

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Suki_ said:
Cheesepower5 said:
There was quite a backlash against the comments made to that Sarkeesian fellow. Even most people who disagree with her assertions thought "Yeah that's fucking stupid" about the idiotic rape comments and XBOX live level douchebaggery.

Some sexists = male gamers.
Not all male gamers = sexist.

Lurn2distinguish
Nobody said all male games.

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Suki_ said:
Now now we all know the Tropes vs women thing doesnt prove that the majority of men are sexist pigs, just male gamers.
I suppose you didn't specify all, but it certainly sounded that way. In any case, I suppose that means I have no issue, if you're willing to acknowledge it's a deeper issue than happening to have Y chromosome and happening to enjoy video games.
 

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I believe feminism is correct but there is no way in hell I would ever identify myself with the feminazis. They're more sexist than half of the misogynists they're working against.