The commandments say not to believe in other gods, not to make onto thee any graven image, and not to take the name of God in vain.Generic Gamer said:I'm an atheist but unlike a lot of atheists I don't see the point in attacking religion. I don't need the uneducated and worthless approval of other atheists in order to know my beliefs feel right.
I agree entirely. Separation of Church and State is extremely important - it's just as bad for minority religions as it is for those who hold no religion at all.Problem is, thats not how I am treated. When the government makes laws that are only there because some christian parties believe in a book thats 2000 years old (example: All shops must be closed on Sundays) I will become bold and offending.
There's a big difference between athiestic worldview and a rational worldview. You can hold a rational worldview while being religious or atheistic.Hammeroj said:Worshipping either of which required no rational thought whatsoever. You'll notice that both of them had a quasi-religious cult surrounding them, too, along with miracles, witch hunts, executions, the whole deal.matoasters said:Speaking as an agnostic, an atheistic worldview doesn't prevent any of the shit that atheists seem to think only religion causes. Stalin, Mao... those names ring a bell?
Actually, life is silly.Meatramen said:No, simply because it is quite silly.
I don't think holding a generally rational worldview is the same as being 100% rational all the time - but even if I did, the original argument still stands - as you said yourself, athiests are not always rational. Rationality is just the use of reason, not emotion, to solve problems. People are complex enough to be rational about most things, and irrational about others - I know I am.Hammeroj said:That's not true. There is no part of believing something without evidence (100% of the time in your interest) that is rational. There will always be at least one part of your world view that is at least partly irrational.Veritasiness said:There's a big difference between athiestic worldview and a rational worldview. You can hold a rational worldview while being religious or atheistic.
I didn't say all atheists are perfectly rational aswell, but hey, chances are good, if a guy doesn't think of another man as a god, he's probably way more thoughtful than another guy who does.
That is actually one of the views that I use against religious people (really just Christians).TheDist said:Sorry almost missed this post to me, going blind it seems. :szehydra said:Sure, except the burden of proof argument doesn't work when dealing with apparently non-falsifiable things. That is, normally the burden of proof works in day to day life, but with regards to things like "the creation of the universe" or other things which we will never observe nor really affect us, it is required that acknowledge that the evidence is lacking for both claims of existence and non-existence.TheDist said:Nope, I am an atheist, as for why? I see no credible evidence for the existence of any gods.
Simple as that. If repeatable, demonstrable evidence is shown then to me there would be an argument for it, however to this day it has not been provided.
I'm not trying to convince you that my religion is right by any means, I'm just trying to show that the burden-of-proof argument isn't as perfect as some atheists think it is.
Well let me use an example: I have an intangable, invisible, undetectable box which creates all gravity in the universe (also its purple!). Do you ask me to prove it or belive me untill somone else shows I am incorrect? That is how the claims of religion seem to me.
It is a hot topic I understand, and I honestly do appreciate that you arn't trying to convert me at all. If you wish to belive in a god, that is your right as a human, for any reason you wish. As long as it isn't pushed onto others or into laws to punish others, then you and I will have no problems.
My brian is just "wired" if you will, in such a way that in order for me to belive the big claims of religion I need repeatable, demonstrable evidence.