Poll: Are you religious?
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I was raised catholic went to catholic grade and high school I don't go to mass that often but sometimes I fit it into my schedule. Am I convinced? Not exactly, but I do hope one day I can get a little closer to knowing what it's all about.
And yet for me, science is all the reason I have to believe there may be a god. Funny, isn't it?Henkie36 said:
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!!
There's no true bliss, when sorrow strikes those you love. :3 Even if heaven is where you go, it's hard to enjoy it when you leave your loved ones with the image of your body decimated in a car accident because you de-valued life.RobCoxxy said:Nope. I went to a Church of England Primary school, where they force religion onto you from your first year onwards. I just thought it sounded weird. Then I read up on science. And it explained everything a lot better than the vicar did.
To quote Doug Stanhope:
"They shouldn't teach you religion until you're eighteen years old, it'd be a whole different world. If they weren't pushing it into your head while it was still soft you'd never buy it."
If you really believe death leads to eternal bliss, why are you wearing a seatbelt?
Oh boy this can only go well.
But well, The way I see it - science hasn't answered half my questions. They can't disprove god and if there is a god then I'd rather be on his good side. Either way, it can't really go too wrong, I suppose I'm closer to agnostic but well, I guess I believe in god yeah. Not sure about all the bible nonsense and Christ crap though. No idea what that makes me.
But well, The way I see it - science hasn't answered half my questions. They can't disprove god and if there is a god then I'd rather be on his good side. Either way, it can't really go too wrong, I suppose I'm closer to agnostic but well, I guess I believe in god yeah. Not sure about all the bible nonsense and Christ crap though. No idea what that makes me.
Agnostic Theist here. I like to believe in a higher power, knowing that even if there is no one sitting on a cloud watching us, the belief itself already serves a major purpose: giving people hope and something to trust in times of crisis.
As for the mythos surrounding Christian beliefs, like all the magic stuff around Jesus - why shouldn't it be alright to follow a great person - in this case a philosopher - in their ways without them being some sort of magical figure? Isn't the fact that he apparently taught a pretty good message in a hostile environment enough to think he was a great guy?
As for the mythos surrounding Christian beliefs, like all the magic stuff around Jesus - why shouldn't it be alright to follow a great person - in this case a philosopher - in their ways without them being some sort of magical figure? Isn't the fact that he apparently taught a pretty good message in a hostile environment enough to think he was a great guy?
Well this poll is very restrictive i.e. yes/no/maybe. Very logical but religion isn't a logical topic so its misleading to try an analyse it in a logical way.
For example I greatly appreciate the religious aesthetic, I own a bible, I (sometimes) go to church, I pray sometimes also. As a modern man of science and reason however I find no compelling evidence for the existence of God as an independent force.
So a Christian would say that I am an atheist and an atheist would say that I'm religious.
For me religion/God is about morality and aesthetics (even morality is an aspect of aesthetics in my opinion) and not about the supernatural.
For example I greatly appreciate the religious aesthetic, I own a bible, I (sometimes) go to church, I pray sometimes also. As a modern man of science and reason however I find no compelling evidence for the existence of God as an independent force.
So a Christian would say that I am an atheist and an atheist would say that I'm religious.
For me religion/God is about morality and aesthetics (even morality is an aspect of aesthetics in my opinion) and not about the supernatural.
No, I'm not religious, and I've never understood how anyone else could be. And I'm vastly more moral than anyone of faith.
I have a question.
Why is any of this important? Why is knowing what we evolved from, or what created us such a big deal?
I have a new religion, it's called "fuckitallism"
In this religion we worship nothing, we don't have to pay tithes, we don't have to pray, we don't have to worry about sinning or doing good deeds, we don't have to study books or go to special schools, we don't have to gather in special buildings, we don't have to compete, we don't have to go soul winning, we don't have to do anything; we are not atheists, we are not agnostics, we are not buddhists, hindu's, creationists, or evolutionists, we are people who don't fucking care....if asked about our religion, we just utter the sacred phrase, "fuck it all, i don't care."
If you suddenly feel the need to say, "this guy is right, why the hell should I care about this pointless shit?" Congratulation, you are now a convert; next Mass is never, no need for tithes, and the dress code is whatever the fuck you feel like wearing.
Why is any of this important? Why is knowing what we evolved from, or what created us such a big deal?
I have a new religion, it's called "fuckitallism"
In this religion we worship nothing, we don't have to pay tithes, we don't have to pray, we don't have to worry about sinning or doing good deeds, we don't have to study books or go to special schools, we don't have to gather in special buildings, we don't have to compete, we don't have to go soul winning, we don't have to do anything; we are not atheists, we are not agnostics, we are not buddhists, hindu's, creationists, or evolutionists, we are people who don't fucking care....if asked about our religion, we just utter the sacred phrase, "fuck it all, i don't care."
If you suddenly feel the need to say, "this guy is right, why the hell should I care about this pointless shit?" Congratulation, you are now a convert; next Mass is never, no need for tithes, and the dress code is whatever the fuck you feel like wearing.
I'm not religious, I can see the value of religion, with the moral codes and all that, but that's a little depressing isn't it, that most people believe we NEED religion to be good, people are essentially saying "I don't murder and steal because a big man in the clouds said I shouldn't" (No offense to the religious). I also have a problem with the whole "if you fail to believe in me you will suffer for all time" system, I quote somebody, I don't remember who, but here it is "And the Lord did love his creation so, that he decided to damn a large majority of it to an enternity in Hell" because if there is a God, only one precise religion get's heaven, everyone else is a heretic no matter what lives they led, and if they don't I'm the type of person who would turn to God and tell him he's too damn lenient.
I wish it were popular, all I ever see is a never ending squabble between different so called religious groups, or arguments between religion and all that fancy science stuff.Continuity said:
If everyone were a follower of fuckitallism there would be a lot less shit to deal with in the world.
I don't know, this 'fuckitallism' seems like a lot of other religions I've had experience with. You know, where they just do whatever they want and hide behind their religion as an excuse for their behavior. I think we called them 'Chirstians' in my old home town, but that's probably a regional dialect or something that translates it into 'fuckitallism'.
On topic, I think I would be classified as a nihilist. I don't believe in god, or heaven or hell or even religion for that matter. I don't believe in an afterlife or prophets or faith or spirituality; I just don't have faith.
On topic, I think I would be classified as a nihilist. I don't believe in god, or heaven or hell or even religion for that matter. I don't believe in an afterlife or prophets or faith or spirituality; I just don't have faith.
1000th atheist. Cool cool cool.
I think that a lot of people like me would have just picked Agnostic though. I'm not of the opinion that there are not, or cannot be, a God or any gods, I'm just of the opinion that it's irrational to believe in such and that the inability to say 'I believe in God/gods' makes one an atheist.
I think that a lot of people like me would have just picked Agnostic though. I'm not of the opinion that there are not, or cannot be, a God or any gods, I'm just of the opinion that it's irrational to believe in such and that the inability to say 'I believe in God/gods' makes one an atheist.
I am not religious but I feel that even if god is real then why should I care? I only know a bit about Catholics but their god sounds like kind of an asshole killing everyone and stuff.
Nope. I never have been and never will be.
I find it quite funny that at a young age when I would tell my friends "I don't believe in god" and got the whole, shocked look as though I was a demon or something and critised for not being able to explain if god didn't make us then who did (I was like 8 ffs, how would I know) and be told that I was gonna go to hell. And now a lot of them lean a lot closer to if not entirely the "religion is bull shit" side of the scale.
That's why I think on any kind of census data that gets released should contain two different things. 1 to say the percentage of people of x religion or whatever in total. And then another to say, percentage of people who are over 18 who belive in this religion.
Including children on a census for that kind of study is pointless becuase their religion will almost always be that of their parents and not what they might really believe inthe future. By the time they are 18 though they should be educated enough to be able to make a choice on whether or not they beleive in something or not. I think it would make for a lot better accuracy in terms of religion statistics.
PS: I'm not trying to say that religious parents are bad for teaching them their religion or whatever, I mean hell, it happens with atheists families too, when I was little my dad said, "god's not real" and I believed him. It's how kids learn.
I find it quite funny that at a young age when I would tell my friends "I don't believe in god" and got the whole, shocked look as though I was a demon or something and critised for not being able to explain if god didn't make us then who did (I was like 8 ffs, how would I know) and be told that I was gonna go to hell. And now a lot of them lean a lot closer to if not entirely the "religion is bull shit" side of the scale.
That's why I think on any kind of census data that gets released should contain two different things. 1 to say the percentage of people of x religion or whatever in total. And then another to say, percentage of people who are over 18 who belive in this religion.
Including children on a census for that kind of study is pointless becuase their religion will almost always be that of their parents and not what they might really believe inthe future. By the time they are 18 though they should be educated enough to be able to make a choice on whether or not they beleive in something or not. I think it would make for a lot better accuracy in terms of religion statistics.
PS: I'm not trying to say that religious parents are bad for teaching them their religion or whatever, I mean hell, it happens with atheists families too, when I was little my dad said, "god's not real" and I believed him. It's how kids learn.
It seems like you misunderstand what atheism means. Which I think might be important to correct considering you are one.Jack the Potato said:
Literally translated, atheism means "without religion", as in unable to make the claim that a 'higher power' exists, which is what your position seems to be. It doesn't matter what your reasoning is - if you can't claim faith in a god or gods, you're an atheist. Scientifically speaking, you're quite right - it's the only valid viewpoint, at least until such a time as any religion makes a testable hypothesis which is subsequently validated.
More specifically, your position is that of agnostic atheism - a lack of belief due to not knowing if a religions phenomenon exists or not. This is in fact the position the majority of atheists who take more than a second to think about it will assume. Where the misunderstanding comes in is you seem to be assuming all atheists say that absolutely no gods exist, which is an impossible claim to make because we can't differentiate between universes with gods and without them. This is the same claim, I should note that makes actual belief in gods unscientific.
Anti-theism is less a position on the truth value of religion than an attitude towards it, considering religion to not be a positive thing. Theoretically you could believe a deity existed and still an anti-theist, as long as you refused to worship them, or considered worshiping them to be bad. I think that's the case anyway. Like how I believe gravity exists, but I don't like the fact it doesn't let me fly.
Good old Nihilism. I think everyone spends the majority of their time following this one, in between occasional checks of the ethical compass to either bolster or damage their egos. Although Nihilists have no need for their own apathy, so it can't be that; Apatheism it is then.GenericAmerican said: