Poll: Bayonetta Sexist?
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Frankly I was too busy going "what the ****, this is absolutely mental" to be worrying about whether the character design was sexist. Which, upon reflection, I don't think it is.
Lots of people have said it already, but it bears repeating - she's sexy, but that's not all there is to her. She's not a helpless damsel in distress, getting into a jam and waiting for a big strong man to save her whilst showing off her tattybojangles. She gets on and saves herself. And gets a cool outfit and gun shoes into the bargain not to mention summoning creatures made of hair. As an aside, where can I get me a pair of those heels, they're bloody awesome...
There's plenty of game leads who are fine specimins of the male form (Dante, Vincent, I'm looking at you. Um. A lot). Why get worked up over one that happens to be female and attractive?
Lots of people have said it already, but it bears repeating - she's sexy, but that's not all there is to her. She's not a helpless damsel in distress, getting into a jam and waiting for a big strong man to save her whilst showing off her tattybojangles. She gets on and saves herself. And gets a cool outfit and gun shoes into the bargain not to mention summoning creatures made of hair. As an aside, where can I get me a pair of those heels, they're bloody awesome...
There's plenty of game leads who are fine specimins of the male form (Dante, Vincent, I'm looking at you. Um. A lot). Why get worked up over one that happens to be female and attractive?
I've not played the game the whole way through, so my opinion is going to be based solely off my first few levels playthrough of the game.
My question is: are there reasons behind why she moans like she's having an orgasm during combat and cutscenes? Are there reasons why the character seems to sexualise everything around her?
She's most certainly sexulised and since I haven't played the game through I don't know if this is a necessary part of her character so I'll naturally have to lean more toward 'sexist', because the message so far seems to be "women can be powerful if they're sexy."
My question is: are there reasons behind why she moans like she's having an orgasm during combat and cutscenes? Are there reasons why the character seems to sexualise everything around her?
She's most certainly sexulised and since I haven't played the game through I don't know if this is a necessary part of her character so I'll naturally have to lean more toward 'sexist', because the message so far seems to be "women can be powerful if they're sexy."
Erm... you didn't play the game then, did you?
It's a solid and fun action title with a witty, pleasantly over the top and tongue-in-cheek plot , and according to many, Bayonetta felt more like a Devil May Cry than DMC itself has felt in years (something that new sequel/prequel probably won't change either).
It's a solid and fun action title with a witty, pleasantly over the top and tongue-in-cheek plot , and according to many, Bayonetta felt more like a Devil May Cry than DMC itself has felt in years (something that new sequel/prequel probably won't change either).
Now you're just outright ignoring things I've said.ZephrC said:
Seriously, go back and read again.
Like I said, go back and read again.ZephrC said:
Also, totally not what I'm talking about.
Those assumptions being? Because I'm willing to bet I didn't really make them.ZephrC said:
Okay.. I wasn't until now but if you want.ZephrC said:
How could I be taking this seriously. It's not even an argument.ZephrC said:
She... doesn't? She makes pained sounds when she's getting hit and sounds like she's having fun when she isn't. It's part of her over-the-top flamboyance, man. She really enjoys her job.
Because that's how she is. Do you seriously not know anyone like that IRL? I know lots of people like that. Hell, I'm like that. I'd twist every post I make into something monumentally filthy if I didn't think it would get me banned from the forums.
I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post, because it made me facepalm so hard.
Anyone who things Bayonetta is sexist hasn't played the game, I think she's one of the best female characters in gaming so far.
She's what I imagine a sexual female character would be like if designed by a women. She plays with her sexuality a lot but it's never in a "come get it" kind of way. Never while playing did I think of her as a shallow piece of boob.
She's what I imagine a sexual female character would be like if designed by a women. She plays with her sexuality a lot but it's never in a "come get it" kind of way. Never while playing did I think of her as a shallow piece of boob.
We can all totally see what you did there, mr. I've-lost-track-of-my-arguments-so-I'll-resort-to-claiming-it-was-all-but-a-joke.ZephrC said:
This is a major steorotype in videogames...if a woman in appears in a videogame everybody just runs around screaming "SEXIST!SEXIST!". Or when a black person appears in a videogame,"RACIST!RACIST!". Resident Evil 5 is a big example of that.
There is a major difference between the words "sexy" and "sexist"
If the game Bayonetta was sexist you'd have her running around making sandwhiches and attacking people with cutlary(come to think of it cooking mama is more sexist don't you think?)...
There is a major difference between the words "sexy" and "sexist"
If the game Bayonetta was sexist you'd have her running around making sandwhiches and attacking people with cutlary(come to think of it cooking mama is more sexist don't you think?)...
She would be a sexist character if she was: dumb because she's pretty; lived in a kitchen because that's her job; or appeared in the game solely for some main character to have a love interest; etc...
Considering she's the opposite of all that, I don't think she's sexist. Actually her over-sexualized nature seemed more like a spoof of the character type.
Considering she's the opposite of all that, I don't think she's sexist. Actually her over-sexualized nature seemed more like a spoof of the character type.
Sexy female characters are only sexist if they're only sexy for the sake of satisfying the men. The shy and non-intimidating girls who wear little vests and short skirts, for example, so that males feel like they can dominate them socially as well as physically, as I know few real shy girls who are that comfortable displaying their sexuality.
For one thing, this:
It's not really serious enough for there to be a good argument that the game's appealing to men's libidos, either. It's highly sexualised but ridiculously so... There's a frickin' monster who attacks by lying back and displaying her crotch, for frick's sake. If anything I'd imagine that it makes guys end up laughing at such fetishisms, and maybe even at their own fetishes.
As a female, I don't find Bayonetta particularly empowering, she hasn't exactly broken any boundries for women. And female or no, I just find her kick-ass and totally awesome.
For one thing, this:
Not really the role of a person who's been created to be dominated.Kalezian said:
It's not really serious enough for there to be a good argument that the game's appealing to men's libidos, either. It's highly sexualised but ridiculously so... There's a frickin' monster who attacks by lying back and displaying her crotch, for frick's sake. If anything I'd imagine that it makes guys end up laughing at such fetishisms, and maybe even at their own fetishes.
As a female, I don't find Bayonetta particularly empowering, she hasn't exactly broken any boundries for women. And female or no, I just find her kick-ass and totally awesome.
