Bayonetta is equal parts amusing and cringeworthy, I'll give her that. But she's built around fanservice and blatantly so. A lot of people seem to conflate "sexist" with "can't enjoy," and that seems to be a lot of the defense for her.
Poll: Bayonetta
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I'm the only person it seems who hated Bayonetta. To me it was more like a memory game with how you had to try and remember an insane amount of button presses for the combos. It was brain training or falling back on a small handful of moves.
Hopefully she is easier to play as in Smash Bros.
Hopefully she is easier to play as in Smash Bros.
I got to a point in the game where basically, I just couldn't be arsed more or less for those reasons.votemarvel said:
I had a lot of fun with Devil May Cry when it first dropped. It's possible I'm just a different person now.
My vote is for long hair for sure. Me and my wife both agree, and her game 1 outfit is hotter too. Bayonetta 2 has better alt costumes though (including her Bayonetta 1 look, so best of both worlds there.)FPLOON said:
I picked the absurd answer because she's both. She's sexist and feminist because the game is completely over-the-top and very aware of itself and Bayonetta herself both owns it and doesn't mind so I dunno why it would be an issue.
Yes, she's sexual but she has a lot of character besides that.
Also yes I agree, there needs to be more Bayonetta/Cereza interaction because that shit's adorable.
Yes, she's sexual but she has a lot of character besides that.
Also yes I agree, there needs to be more Bayonetta/Cereza interaction because that shit's adorable.
She's ...Interesting in Smash.votemarvel said:
after all of her A moves you can hold the button for a few seconds to make her shoot her guns for some extra oomph.
Her recovery is terrible, but you can chain her (Up B) into her (Side B) under conditions I don't comprehend.
Her (Neutral B) is a rapid-fire ranged attack that has a weird angle which allows you to hit enemies on slightly elevated platforms, but makes it useless against shorter characters on level ground.
She's much more interesting than Corrin who severely disappoints me.
Within the context of the universe and her characterisation I'd say she's totally a sex positive feminist. In the context of the real world where she was designed to be titillating (I love that world) then it's hard to call her a feminist icon.
Sexist of feminist? I don't know. Both. Neither.
Sexist of feminist? I don't know. Both. Neither.
I wouldn't call her very feminist, per se. But she also isn't presenting harmful ideas about women, so not sexist either.
Not that it's impossible to be both sexist and feminist, in fact, it's incredibly easy. #KILLALLMEN
Call me the most boring alignment, I'm going true neutral on this.
Not that it's impossible to be both sexist and feminist, in fact, it's incredibly easy. #KILLALLMEN
Call me the most boring alignment, I'm going true neutral on this.
That's true. But also it seems a lot of people like to throw the word "objectification" (as if it was a synonymous of "sexist"). She's not. Princess Peach is more "objectified" than Bayonetta for a number of reasons.Something Amyss said:
Sure, but that doesn't really answer the question. It answers a different, unrelated question.CaitSeith said:
People seem to be under the impression that considering a character sexist and/or feminist means at the exclusion of other traits, such as a well-developed personality, etcetera. No reason at all for that to be true. It's merely one element.
On a side-note, I also wonder whether those saying they "play games, don't analyse them" would give a similar response in English class, or film studies. The teacher asks you whether you consider Shylock to be a comic villain or a tragic victim; would you answer, "Hah! I read books, don't analyse them"?
I thought we'd firmly established that games were not art. As such, it makes sense to thumb our noses at such concepts as critical analysis.Silvanus said:
Well, do we really want to make our offspring attend yet another arts class in secondary school?Something Amyss said:
Y'know, it's just occurred to me that Shylock is a brilliant example, actually. Like "Sexist" and "Feminist", the "comic villain" and "tragic victim" would be two ostensibly diametrically-opposed characters, both embodied in a single personage!
Could this really be... the single greatest example of giving a debate too much credit?!
"Literally zero"? Huh...inu-kun said:
What I quoted was: "the best characters are the ones with personalities" - there is nothing objective, at all, about that sentence or idea given "best" is a subjective value judgement anyway, and what counts as a 'personality' would also be massively subjective (likely both in definition and usage).
The original post was also seemingly couched in conspiracy theory/cultural Marxism fluff, so it was on shaking ground already.
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Heh, I was just looking at how many people voted in the 'derp! entertainment not thinking!' category, and yeah, you make a fine comparison. I mean, it's not like we've had centuries upon centuries of analysis of all kinds of creative mediums or anything...Silvanus said:
God no. Especially if that would make their homework look like they were playing video games.Silvanus said:
The thought had struck me when I saw Shylock, largely because I find that debate actually interesting. There seems to be far less ambiguity in the motives here than those of Shakespeare or Kipling or similar. I mean, I suppose we could go all "death of the author" route, but at that point you can argue any character as degrading or empowering, sexist or feminist, liberal or conservative.
I mean, hell, here's an alternate explanation for Star Wars [http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0075.html] that makes a lot more sense than what Lucas came up with, but it's still not the intent.
Both. She's not the first character to be this divisive either. Lara Croft has had that tenuous position of simultaneously representing feminism and sexism in the bag for decades now. All game characters have their qualities in the context of the game, and then their qualities in the context of wider culture, and they don't always match up.
What I am more interest in is how people will see characters like her in 50 years time. Once upon a time, Al Jolson was praised by black people for being the first to "represent" them in film and music, and now he his image is used as the ultimate icon of racism.
What I am more interest in is how people will see characters like her in 50 years time. Once upon a time, Al Jolson was praised by black people for being the first to "represent" them in film and music, and now he his image is used as the ultimate icon of racism.
Yeah, it would be kind of absurd to claim something to be objectively true based on personal preferences.Darth Rosenberg said:
Remind me, again: what was your argument about spoilers?
Now I am wondering what the curriculum for that would look like. Does the "video game appreciation" class include a Mario game? There are courses that focus on single genres of music, is there going to be a "history of the FPS" class?Something Amyss said: