Poll: Best fighting game franchise?

[black_knight1337]

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yes that is a fact however that still does not make their opinion law. in these testing groups the developers ask for their opinions and based on these opinions make minor alterations to their game. it does not mean that whatever they think of the genre they are so called experts of is absolute fact.

as for the part about the story mode it wasn't to do with the amount of content it was about depth. just because a game has a short story mode does not mean that it does not have depth. and once again it was that person's opinion of it. if they had of said that it had the longest story or the most content in a story then fair enough but they didn't they said that it was deep.

i might have a look around and see if i can grab a copy of them.

 

[Xenimus]

Tekken is good I thought the charactors had good personalty the storylines were good because each charactor had there own storyline.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

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yes that is a fact however that still does not make their opinion law. in these testing groups the developers ask for their opinions and based on these opinions make minor alterations to their game. it does not mean that whatever they think of the genre they are so called experts of is absolute fact.

as for the part about the story mode it wasn't to do with the amount of content it was about depth. just because a game has a short story mode does not mean that it does not have depth. and once again it was that person's opinion of it. if they had of said that it had the longest story or the most content in a story then fair enough but they didn't they said that it was deep.

i might have a look around and see if i can grab a copy of them.

It was an expression, it wasn't meant to be taken literally. The point of it was to prove that there IS a hierarchy of opinions, that some DO matter more than others and that due to that the other things I have been saying which other people's "opinions" disagreed with were still correct.

I didn't say it was "longer", I said it was "denser and more complex", the difference being that something denser may have an equal length as something else but in the same time-span it presents more ideas, more elements, more events, more theories, more possibilities, in general more content. I never said that the story just drags on and on, only that it's much more packed with cool stuff, which again is something you can tally and is what depth stems out of.

Perception of depth is something I purposefully never touched upon, I never stated that the person didn't THINK MK's story was deep, I'm positive that he thought as much otherwise he wouldn't have said so, I just said that it wasn't the deepest by presenting him with an alternative which I was pretty sure he had not actually tried out. Not as to override his statement but to simply help him supplement it through experiencing the other one too.

 

[Fishyash]

I don't think there's a best really. I had to pick my favourite, that's more likely what it's gonna come down to anyways. I'll just stick to giving my opinions on 3 games instead.

For a competetive fighting game experience, I would say street fighter. This is because it's popular and easy to get into, but with enough complexity and balance for it to remain a competetive fighting game. Sure, it's a lot easier to defend yourself now (focus attacks, reversals) and there are some bouts of imbalance (yun and fei long come to mind currently), but honestly, no fighting game is perfect, and street fighter has a nice aesthetic and doesn't go heavily into the anime artstyle that most extremely competetive fighters have. It's a great game for the western playerbase as well as the eastern one (of course). This is the one I voted for.

SSB is probably the best casual fighter out there. You can't really say that it's not a fighter. It has the core rule that every fighting game has, which is to fight the opponent. They had to greatly sacrifice balancing, and the game definately has core problems with its design that causes major imbalance (in ALL of the games, the main one would be attack priorities), in competetive play, but that doesn't matter in casual play anyways, because they play what they want, these imbalances don't matter in low level play.

MK I definately think is worth mentioning too, it's definately good for what it does, providing visceral play. I think it's worth a mention because I think that's the only thing it's got going for it. Sorry, it's just a poorly designed fighter. I mean, UMK3 was a high point (IMO), and then the creators of MK just made crap over and over again. The only community within the game was online. MK9 has tried very hard to change that. They did make a lot of changes, pretty much all of them for the better, but I personally think it only barely made it to be a competetive game. At least when it first came out that was the case. There have been several patches to fix the gameplay, but will it be enough? Or will the game sink back to having a online only community again?

The other fighting games have their merits, I don't feel like giving my opinion on them though, I think I have said too much already. However I don't think there really is a best game, because certain people want certain things in fighting games.

However I think games that strive for competetive gameplay (especially offline tournaments) inherently have an advantage over other fighters, save for ones that give party elements. This is because there is the option for serious play AND competetive play.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

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Why exactly a fighting game being "too anime" is a bad thing as far as "the west" is concerned? Anime isn't only liked in Japan and most fighter fans do like the anime-aspect of the games.


Hell, Akuma turned super saiyan in Arcade Edition, id's say a demon with blue aura and hovering beads around him smashing you with evil energy that makes Japanese letters appear is as close to "anime-like aesthetic" as you can get really.

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I mean look at him, they even gave him the electricity currents from Super Saiyan 2 lol.

 

[AngloDoom]

Smash Bros.

Accessible, simple, fun, lots of different and recognisable characters.

What more do you want?

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Smash Bros.

Accessible, simple, fun, lots of different and recognisable characters.

What more do you want?

Depth, complexity, highly competitive drive, an interesting story and uniqueness.

 

[Silenttalker22]

To liken something like the werehog sonic game with sonic 1-4 is to say that Legacy of Sub Zero is a proper MK game.

Well, there's Dead or Alive Beach special, which is a fighting game about girls going to the beach and wearing skimpy clothes and tanning and playing volleyball and what not.

So Sub-zero running around hitting other people(what he does in MK), isn't a proper MK game, but a game merely featuring characters that do absolutely nothing of what they do in their main franchise is a proper fighting game? I'm confused.

OT: Soul Calibur is boss, cuz as wonderful as most of the list is (SF bores me now), SC takes a severe break within it's own format. In my experience, there's only so different a feel between different kinds of kicks and punches. Wheres SC's makes everyone very different(minus the clones) and throws in the fantastical stuff, like Cervantes teleporting and all that. The result is deep, with lots of fun and variety and good pacing, but not feeling ridiculous, aside from Voldo of course. He literally attacks you with his junk on several occasions, which is never a good start to the day. ; ;

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

To liken something like the werehog sonic game with sonic 1-4 is to say that Legacy of Sub Zero is a proper MK game.

Well, there's Dead or Alive Beach special, which is a fighting game about girls going to the beach and wearing skimpy clothes and tanning and playing volleyball and what not.

So Sub-zero running around hitting other people(what he does in MK), isn't a proper MK game, but a game merely featuring characters that do absolutely nothing of what they do in their main franchise is a proper fighting game? I'm confused.

Reading comprehension fail.

The dead or alive game mention was a reply to his challenging me to find a fighting game without any fighting in it. Need that context man.


Oh and hitting people in a 2D sidescroller game like Castlevania isn't the same as doing that in a fighting game, even if all the sprites are copied and pasted and all the moves are the same.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

King of Fighters is my favorite franchise, but Arcana Heart for the PS2 is probably my favorite fighting game. So much depth and customization.

For 3D fighting games, Dead or Alive has a spectacular combat system built around natural, cinematic combos and reversals. It looks great and feels great, and screw those who see DoA as softcore porn (and by that, I also mean "screw Team Ninja, those morons who thought a cheesecake beach volleyball game was a good use of the DoA characters.")

King of Fighters '98 was a really cool game. It had environments that changed based upon what round of the battle you were fighting. That was a really nice touch, and more games should do that.

 

[New Troll]

I have never been a fan of fighters, but I have always loved the gameplay found in the Guilty Gear series. Almost chaotic. Favorite fighter from the past several years has most definitely been BlazBlue, even more than Continuim Shift.

The only other series to waste a great deal of my time was DarkStalkers. And yes, I do enjoy the occasional Marvel vs. Capcom, but it's not quite the same. If I had to choose a fighter that is easily found at any retail store right now, I would definitely grab MvC 3.

 

[AngloDoom]

Smash Bros.

Accessible, simple, fun, lots of different and recognisable characters.

What more do you want?

Depth, complexity, highly competitive drive, an interesting story and uniqueness.

Please expand on depth, because I don't quite understand what you mean by that.

Complexity - I think completely making a different way to fight, including items, team-battle, point-scoring battles, boss-battles, and still giving you the option to fight like in other fighting games with hit-points is a lot more complex than most games I've played of the genre. Added to that characters with certain rules that affect them (I fall faster, I get stronger as I get damaged, most of my attacks rely on chance, I can take other's abilities) and it's a lot more complex...and then you have the ability to turn off half the rules I mentioned to change your game to fight exactly how you want.

Complexity I don't quite understand either. I don't see how many fighting games are 'complex' with he exception of games that give you lengthy combos from a drop-down menu, rather than your own creations you make up on the spot.

Highly competitive drive is a weird thing to argue. My friends and I play the game endlessly and enjoy it, racking up hours of gameplay a day most times me play it. Other people won't.

Interesting story I've not actually encountered on a fighting game. I actually found the story scene in Brawl to be a lot more entertaining than any other fighting game I've personally encountered. Karate-man out for revenge/ultimate weapon/ultimate life-form seems to be the theme of many other fighting games.

Uniqueness? I honestly can't think of a fighting game with much more uniqueness. Half the time I can't tell if people are playing Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Street Fighter or sometimes even Mortal Kombat until someone burps a fireball.

 

[PureChaos]

it would be either Mortal Kombat or Smash Bros. Street Fighter is good, as is DoA. never really played Tekken or Soul Calibur.

 

[Silenttalker22]

The dead or alive game mention was a reply to his challenging me to find a fighting game without any fighting in it. Need that context man.

Oh and hitting people in a 2D sidescroller game like Castlevania isn't the same as doing that in a fighting game, even if all the sprites are copied and pasted and all the moves are the same.

You didn't find a fighting game... You found a sports game with clearly no elements of fighting, and called it one. But said a game where a fighter fights stuff isn't a proper one.

 

[Silenttalker22]

Street Fighter is good, as is DoA.

DOA is my No.2. Been playing it heavily since doa2 on Dreamcast. Me and my long-time sparring partner and friend love it's fast, exaggerated combat, and I respect it for it's great mix of accessibility to new people, and wealth of material, for veterans.

 

[Last Hugh Alive]

Well, my FAVOURITE fighting game franchise of all time is Mortal Kombat. Its also one of my favourite franchises in general. There's a lot of spectacle, but I think there's depth and balance in how the actual fighting works. I've always felt a balance in Mortal Kombat that's somewhere between Tekken and Street Fighter in terms of how it plays, I enjoy the storylines and character plotlines, and the game is made unique by artistic style, gore, Fatalities and varied side modes with each game. I may be biased, though.

The best, however... We need to define "best". Best as in most successful/popular? Easiest/funnest to play? Best story/characters? Most depth?

 

[PureChaos]

Street Fighter is good, as is DoA.

DOA is my No.2. Been playing it heavily since doa2 on Dreamcast. Me and my long-time sparring partner and friend love it's fast, exaggerated combat, and I respect it for it's great mix of accessibility to new people, and wealth of material, for veterans.

i've only played DoA 4 on the 360. did a 4 player game and it was really good fun. even though 2 of us had never played it before (the other 2 had played it a fair amount so we had 1 veteran and 1 newcomer on each team to make it even) and the matches were really close. there were 2 people watching and we had loads of matches which they were happy to watch because they were close. we played Street Fighter 4 before doing winner stays on but one person only used Chun Li and constantly won. Street Fighter is probably better if 2 closely matched veterans play but DoA is great for all

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

You didn't find a fighting game... You found a sports game with clearly no elements of fighting, and called it one. But said a game where a fighter fights stuff isn't a proper one.

That's the point, a fighting game series, Dead or alive, had a sports game as one of them, while still being called dead or alive and being a fighting game series. Anyways, that's a totally besides the point discussion that had nothing to do with any of this.

And yeah, fighting stuff in a 2D sidescroller game is nothing like a fighting game.

 

[Silenttalker22]

i've only played DoA 4 on the 360.

The vegas level is one of the niftiest stage oriented things to ever come to a prominent series (I say prominent cuz I haven't played every one and wouldn't want anyone to feel left out). We make it a huge deal of trying to hit and out-think the other person into oncoming cars. It's great fun

 

[PureChaos]

i've only played DoA 4 on the 360.

The vegas level is one of the niftiest stage oriented things to ever come to a prominent series (I say prominent cuz I haven't played every one and wouldn't want anyone to feel left out). We make it a huge deal of trying to hit and out-think the other person into oncoming cars. It's great fun

didn't get to play that level, we just did a rematch. sounds like a good level, though. next time i visit my mate i'll see if we can give it a go.