Poll: Bullets: Round or Sharp end?

[WolfThomas]

As most people have actually explained how bullets work, I think I'll throw out a fun fact:
One of the reasons why lever action rifles are not as accurate as bolt action rifles, is that they have to use soft tipped bullets. This is because they are kept in a tubular magazine, one after each other in a row, if they have pointed tips dropping the rifle would cause all of the bullets to discharge because of this. There are now pointed rounds for lever guns that have a rubber cap on them to prevent this. Also another reason they're less accurate is because with every shot the barrel weight and other factors change as rounds are removed.

 

[Snarky Username]

Sharp for penetration and round for pure damage.

 

[Elementlmage]

M855 are harden steel.

"NATO specifications for SS109 (U.S. M855) Ball require a 61.7 grain
(q 1.5 grains) with a hardened steel penetrator at a velocity of 3,025 fps
(q 40 fps) from a 20 inch barrel 25 meters from the muzzle."

http://www.ak-47.net/ammo/ss109.txt

The M855 does not contain a penetrator, it contains a CAP.

THIS is a penetrator

That is actually a pic of the 7n6 mild steel core. The 7n20 and 22 rounds use a sharpened, hardened steel core. So just picture a point core and you will see the difference between the rounds.

Anyway, you are missing the point; there are steel core AP rounds.

 

[DazBurger]

can I just use a Shotgun?
Buckshot is your friend.

But Frag 12 is not. It hates you and everything you point em at.

It's a shotgun, THAT SHOOTS BOMBS!!!

I want one I want one I want one...

I want more than one! It can be used with ANY 12 gauge shotgun, be it a 2 shot sawed off shotgun or the 34 round automatic AA-12 and it has a max range of 200 meters!

Best part is, that its a British invention! So its not gonna blow up in your hand...

 

[Elementlmage]

M855 are harden steel.

"NATO specifications for SS109 (U.S. M855) Ball require a 61.7 grain
(q 1.5 grains) with a hardened steel penetrator at a velocity of 3,025 fps
(q 40 fps) from a 20 inch barrel 25 meters from the muzzle."

http://www.ak-47.net/ammo/ss109.txt

Dug up an old post on the GSC forums where I explained armor piercing rounds much better than I did here:

Also, AP designs have changed drastically over the years. They are no longer just hardened version of their non-AP counterparts. They can actually be thought of as something like a mini Sabot with a copper jacket. A modern AP round is composed of a Copper Jacket, a lead outer core and a steel penetrating core. (New and more expensive versions use sharpened cores and tungsten cores) When the tip of the copper jacket hits it compresses and distributes its force over the target(since it's AP I'm going to assume kevlar) Now, the core resting in a jacket of nice soft lead slides out as the jacket distributes its force over the impact point. That area of the kevlar already being weakened, takes the full force of core which at that point is only slowed by the kevlar. And as you stated it is not as lethal as an fmj b/c the steel core doesnt deform.

Replace kevlar with armor plate and you basically have the same thing.

 

[Treblaine]

M855 are harden steel.

"NATO specifications for SS109 (U.S. M855) Ball require a 61.7 grain
(q 1.5 grains) with a hardened steel penetrator at a velocity of 3,025 fps
(q 40 fps) from a 20 inch barrel 25 meters from the muzzle."

http://www.ak-47.net/ammo/ss109.txt

The CONTAIN a hardened steel penetrator, but this is the actual composition:

It has a lead base.

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

I'll take the bullet that puts them down in one shot, thanks. I don't care how it works as long as it does.

 

[2733]

can I just use a Shotgun?
Buckshot is your friend.

But Frag 12 is not. It hates you and everything you point em at.

It's a shotgun, THAT SHOOTS BOMBS!!!

I want one I want one I want one...

I want more than one! It can be used with ANY 12 gauge shotgun, be it a 2 shot sawed off shotgun or the 34 round automatic AA-12 and it has a max range of 200 meters!

Best part is, that its a British invention! So its not gonna blow up in your hand...

an automatic bomb gun? (sniffs) sorry, I don't usually tear up like this but, I'm just so happy...

 

[maturin]

Richochets take extreme angels though don't they? Otherwise the bullet, any kind, would dig in instead of bouncing off. Right?

"Extreme," maybe, but not unusual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcJBJYH7Xi8

And since I'm too lazy to find a live action version, check out the last part (5:30) of this video and just trust me that it's accurate.

 

[A.A.K]

Why not have both?
Ranger SXT's to the rescue!
http://www.prestoimages.net/store/graphics02/1926_dept44310.jpg

 

[dickseverywhere]

this has got to be the dumbest thread i've seen on this forum.

 

[vallorn]

Why am I reminded of the Onion report about the defective hollow point bullets?

what? the one i posted on page1?

 

[vallorn]

can I just use a Shotgun?
Buckshot is your friend.

But Frag 12 is not. It hates you and everything you point em at.

It's a shotgun, THAT SHOOTS BOMBS!!!

I want one I want one I want one...

I want more than one! It can be used with ANY 12 gauge shotgun, be it a 2 shot sawed off shotgun or the 34 round automatic AA-12 and it has a max range of 200 meters!

Best part is, that its a British invention! So its not gonna blow up in your hand...

Full auto Shotgun Grenadelaucher!? where can i get one?

 

[Hashime]

It is SOOOO much more complicated than tip shape. Material, fracture lines, bullet spin, drag...
Basically the shape of the tip mainly has to do with how the bullet travels through the air and whether the target needs to be penetrated before the bullet fragments or expands.

 

[Cypher10110]

Give me a pointy stick anyday.

Don't you mean a poin-ted stick?

If so, my response would be:

"A POINTED STICK?!"

"Where's he gonna get one of those? THE POINTED STICK ROOM?!"

 

[superbatranger]

Well, they have their respective advantages and disadvantages. You wouldn't try to shoot through armor plating with a 9mm, now would you? Sharp-ended(or however you call it)can travel greater distances, making them great for snipers. Rounded bullets tend to be smaller, allowing the guns to be smaller. They both can kill, but sometimes rounded bullets fragment inside the body causing further damage without exiting through the other side. As mentioned earlier, pointy(-ed?)bullets are better for piercing armor.

Disclaimer: I am not an expert in guns. At all.

 

[Daipire]

I reckon the sharp bullets look cooler

 

[Andantil]

Hollow points. I want to see a heavenly geyser of blood and brains when I shoot somebody in the face.

 

[Kwaren]

I use hollow points.

Aren't they, ya know, illegal? I see no reason to have hollow points, in a self defense case, what more good is a bullet that shreds a man's insides gonna do? That just mean's he'll die faster but generally speaking if you shoot a man they're gonna stay down. All hollow points do is kill him quicker, not good.

I live in the US so no, they are not illegal.

 

[Jewrean]

Hollow point please so that it mushrooms and tears them to shreds. Although to be honest I know nothing about guns seeming as I don't live in a nation that allows you to have them in the first place. I guess that's a good thing looking at the Gun death rate in America.