Poll: Circumcision

[Vendor-Lazarus]

Isn't female circumcision deadly?

If they were both done in the U.S, they would both have the same complication rate,
which is rather low, but it happens.
It is because Female Genital Mutilation are mostly done with filthy instruments and by untrained people that it is so deadly now.
The same as Male Genital Mutilation would be if done the same way.

 

[Skalman]

BABIES. CAN'T. CHOOSE.

And yes, parents DO have the right to choose, and should.

And you're wrong. Circumcision is reversible.

Ok, babies can't choose. But they grow up into adults and are either stuck with your decision or have to have surgery. And your an aggronant sod if you think parents have the right to mulitate there children. This isn't like vaccines or so forth.

Sweden. Male. Uncircumcised.

Why fix what isn't broken?
Circumcision does not have any real advantages in this day and age. It does, however cause a lack of sensitivity in and around the area in question.
The fact that people circumcise their children pushes my rage buttons. Because the child in question gets no say in the matter. If they'd want to be circumcised they can choose to have it done when they grow up. It isn't up to the parent's to decide.
I'd even go as far as saying, people who have their children circumcised are unfit to be parents.
Yeah, I went there.

EDIT:

I'm against the forced circumcision of baby boys because you are removing the choice from the kid in the first place. For example, you had no choice if you wanted to be circumcised or not. You were, and hence are stuck like that. These guys who had it done: tis their choice - their adults and presumably willing and able to research something like this, weigh up any pro's or con's, and decide for themselves. Thats fair enough. But inflicting on a baby, whether they'll want it later or not, isn't right.

BABIES. CAN'T. CHOOSE.

And yes, parents DO have the right to choose, and should.

And you're wrong. Circumcision is reversible.

Circumcision is reversible?
Well not entirely, It'll never be the same as if a circumcision hadn't been preformed in the first place. And the partial loss of sensitivity to the glans will never recover either.

I'm serious. It's the discussion itself that is laughable.

Let's propose that there exists procedure A, which is totally reversible in later life and is customarily given to children who don't remember or care and which makes no real difference outside the aesthetic and cosmetic fields.

Read my above comment. Not entirely reversible.

Thanks for the support. Also, is it me or does he seem ridiculously angry about this?

Well people tend to get ridiculously upset when someones opinion clashes with their own. Kind of a natural reaction.

EDIT:

I'm serious. It's the discussion itself that is laughable.

Let's propose that there exists procedure A, which is totally reversible in later life and is customarily given to children who don't remember or care and which makes no real difference outside the aesthetic and cosmetic fields.

If its no big deal, why do it in the first place? Seems like a waste of money and time to me, given there is no benefit from it.

And how is this discussion laughable? Because we don't all agree with your point of view?

But I've gotta agree with you there. It's a valid discussion really, as is any discussion where the opinions of the opposing parties don't get along. As they tend to do.

 

[kawligia]

The foreskin removed in circumcision has almost 40% of the nerve endings that create sexual pleasure. It also increases pleasure in the woman. You know those ribbed condoms? Those are designed to mimic the feel of an uncircumcised male. So circumcision makes both you and your woman miss out on a lot of fun. Seriously, fuck that.

The only "benefit" is aesthetic. But the thing is, when its erect the uncircumcised one looks exactly the same as a circumcised one, except with a little more girth. If loosing all that pleasure for you and your woman is worth a minor cosmetic alteration that's only noticable when you are not excited, well, to each his own. I'll pass.

 

[Skalman]

The foreskin removed in circumcision has almost 40% of the nerve endings that create sexual pleasure. It also increases pleasure in the woman. You know those ribbed condoms? Those are designed to mimic the feel of an uncircumcised male. So circumcision makes both you and your woman miss out on a lot of fun. Seriously, fuck that.

The only "benefit" is aesthetic. But the thing is, when its erect the uncircumcised one looks exactly the same as a circumcised one, except with a little more girth. If loosing all that pleasure for you and your woman is worth a minor cosmetic alteration that's only noticable when you are not excited, well, to each his own. I'll pass.

Actually, an uncircumcised penis and a circumcised one doesn't look exactly alike when erect. Or so I heard. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrSoIHeard]

 

[Ignignoct]

Isn't female circumcision deadly?

Well, if you're talking about cutting out the clitoris or sewing shut their genitalia then yes, those can lead to death via infection. Usually because the ritual is practiced in such backwards areas of the world that can't handle treating it.

And to the OP, I am the only one of my 5 brothers that isn't snipped, thankfully due to a nurse recommending against it when I was born.

I say thankfully, because that choice should be left to the individual, and it's a barbaric ritual rooted in a medically irrelevant religion.

"But what of infections?"

I've never had one, urinary or foreskin wise.

If I'm f*cking anyone that might have HIV, I'm using a condom.

Hell, I'll be using a condom till I'm married with my distrust of women in general.

 

[chimmers]

I don't understand people's infatuation with mutilating themselves for cosmetic purposes. The same goes for earrings, although I'd be willing to bet most babies would choose a lump of metal through their ear than someone cutting off something they won't get to use for about 12 years

 

[Jumplion]

I'm circumcised for Judaism. Nothing negative about it so far, me and Mr. Penis have been good friends regardless if he got a liposuction.

The foreskin removed in circumcision has almost 40% of the nerve endings that create sexual pleasure. It also increases pleasure in the woman. You know those ribbed condoms? Those are designed to mimic the feel of an uncircumcised male. So circumcision makes both you and your woman miss out on a lot of fun. Seriously, fuck that.

Heh, that reminds me of something I said before when my workshop teacher said that Jews work harder (he's a cool teacher, and I was the only jew in the class),

"Jew may have to work harder, but they last longer."

Take that of what you will

 

[kawligia]

The foreskin removed in circumcision has almost 40% of the nerve endings that create sexual pleasure. It also increases pleasure in the woman. You know those ribbed condoms? Those are designed to mimic the feel of an uncircumcised male. So circumcision makes both you and your woman miss out on a lot of fun. Seriously, fuck that.

The only "benefit" is aesthetic. But the thing is, when its erect the uncircumcised one looks exactly the same as a circumcised one, except with a little more girth. If loosing all that pleasure for you and your woman is worth a minor cosmetic alteration that's only noticable when you are not excited, well, to each his own. I'll pass.

Actually, an uncircumcised penis and a circumcised one doesn't look exactly alike when erect. Or so I heard. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrSoIHeard]

When erect, the uncircumcised penis will have the foreskin fall back around the shaft, revealing the head. The only difference is that the shaft will have the foreskin around it, giving it more girth. When flacid, the foreskin will usually surround the head (fully in some males and only partially in others) since it doesn't expand and contract with the rest of the penis.

 

[chuckman1]

I'm American and I'm not circumcised wait.....

There are, however, 'fun' drawbacks to being circumcised with some ridiculously high number of nerve endings in the foreskin making intercourse all the more fun. And whacking off too, to be blunt.

(does a dance and laughs at circumcised people)

 

[Hallow'sEve]

I'm circumcised, I dunno why, just am. Personally I don't see why it's so bad. I mean, it's not like I'm dying or any less of a person since I am. (I'm not Jewish either, so I know that's not it)

I'm American and I'm not circumcised wait.....

There are, however, 'fun' drawbacks to being circumcised with some ridiculously high number of nerve endings in the foreskin making intercourse all the more fun. And whacking off too, to be blunt.

(does a dance and laughs at circumcised people)

That might be true, but even if it was we still have drugs to fix it ; )

 

[hippo24]

As far as my parents(one of which was a doctor) were concerned, circumcision was acceptable for all their male children.

I believe it has to do with increased risk of infections via less nooks and crannies to clean, as well as decreased risk in bleeding and contraction of diseases such as aids. On a lighter note it supposed to be visually more pleasing, though all the girls Ive talked to, don't seem to care.

 

[Ignignoct]

I'm circumcised, I dunno why, just am. Personally I don't see why it's so bad. I mean, it's not like I'm dying or any less of a person since I am. (I'm not Jewish either, so I know that's not it)

I'm American and I'm not circumcised wait.....

There are, however, 'fun' drawbacks to being circumcised with some ridiculously high number of nerve endings in the foreskin making intercourse all the more fun. And whacking off too, to be blunt.

(does a dance and laughs at circumcised people)

That might be true, but even if it was we still have drugs to fix it ; )

You have drugs to increase the amount of nerve endings in your pre-glans shaft? Increased blood circulation isn't going to fix that.

Oh, and medically there's NOT a significant risk at your age due to circumcision, the debate is why should it be done at all if there's no real BENEFIT to having it done.

 

[Jumplion]

I'm American and I'm not circumcised wait.....

There are, however, 'fun' drawbacks to being circumcised with some ridiculously high number of nerve endings in the foreskin making intercourse all the more fun. And whacking off too, to be blunt.

(does a dance and laughs at circumcised people)

Hey, that means longer and more fun for us!

(does a dance and laughs at uncircumcised people who can't stay in bed for long)

 

[EeveeElectro]

No, I'm not and it sounds painful for a woman.
My ex was, which was a bit weired but I got used to it.
I'm not a guy so I don't have a clue if it feels any different.
I heard it's for hygiene reasons that some get the snip.

 

[mokes310]

I am, and I can honestly say that I don't really care.

 

[Ignignoct]

I'm American and I'm not circumcised wait.....

There are, however, 'fun' drawbacks to being circumcised with some ridiculously high number of nerve endings in the foreskin making intercourse all the more fun. And whacking off too, to be blunt.

(does a dance and laughs at circumcised people)

Hey, that means longer and more fun for us!

(does a dance and laughs at uncircumcised people who can't stay in bed for long)

Oh yeah?

LET'S RACE!

Mind over matter, son!

 

[Fronken]

Putting a child through such agony for something that doesnt even have any benefits is inhumane and should be illegal, just look at the mutilating of female genetalia in african tribes, that's considered a crime against humanity, yet mutilating a infant boy for you're own beliefs are not.

 

[Skalman]

No, I'm not and it sounds painful for a woman.
My ex was, which was a bit weired but I got used to it.
I'm not a guy so I don't have a clue if it feels any different.
I heard it's for hygiene reasons that some get the snip.

The hygiene argument is really only valid if the person in question never showers, or does so very rarely.
And then, not being circumcised will be the least of his problems.

The foreskin removed in circumcision has almost 40% of the nerve endings that create sexual pleasure. It also increases pleasure in the woman. You know those ribbed condoms? Those are designed to mimic the feel of an uncircumcised male. So circumcision makes both you and your woman miss out on a lot of fun. Seriously, fuck that.

The only "benefit" is aesthetic. But the thing is, when its erect the uncircumcised one looks exactly the same as a circumcised one, except with a little more girth. If loosing all that pleasure for you and your woman is worth a minor cosmetic alteration that's only noticable when you are not excited, well, to each his own. I'll pass.

Actually, an uncircumcised penis and a circumcised one doesn't look exactly alike when erect. Or so I heard. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrSoIHeard]

When erect, the uncircumcised penis will have the foreskin fall back around the shaft, revealing the head. The only difference is that the shaft will have the foreskin around it, giving it more girth. When flacid, the foreskin will usually surround the head (fully in some males and only partially in others) since it doesn't expand and contract with the rest of the penis.

Well, you have to take into account that far from all uncircumcised penises will have the foreskin retract when erect. Which was what I was getting at, but you obviously didn't get the hint.

 

[Sindre1]

I think getting circumcised removes some of your nerves down there.
Ya know what that means

 

[Jumplion]

I'm American and I'm not circumcised wait.....

There are, however, 'fun' drawbacks to being circumcised with some ridiculously high number of nerve endings in the foreskin making intercourse all the more fun. And whacking off too, to be blunt.

(does a dance and laughs at circumcised people)

Hey, that means longer and more fun for us!

(does a dance and laughs at uncircumcised people who can't stay in bed for long)

Oh yeah?

LET'S RACE!

Mind over matter, son!

A'ight! Let's go!

...wait, we're having a sex competition? Well that's one of the more weirder ways a conversation has gone.

Putting a child through such agony for something that doesnt even have any benefits is inhumane and should be illegal, just look at the mutilating of female genetalia in african tribes, that's considered a crime against humanity, yet mutilating a infant boy for you're own beliefs are not.

Circumcising a female is a "crime" because it can kill the woman (to my knowledge at least).

For males, it's just some debatable unneeded skin. It's not "agony" at all, I should know, I am circumcised, it's just some skin cut off. Do you really think that I have to get used to not having foreskin when I never even knew what it felt like? The only way I could die from it is if I had hemophilia (I believe that's the name for it) and bled to death.

Though just a tidbit of info for everyone, according to my Rabbi if the first two children die of circumcision, then the third child may not be circumcised even if the parents want it. Just dropping it off for no real reason.