Poll: Circumcision

[whaleswiththumbs]

I don't know maybe being able to enjoy sex is deviant. There are no proven benefits it first caught on in the 20's or 30's when they thought it would prevent masturbation it was disproven in the 40's but at his point it was instutuionalized. There was a lawssuit in the seventies and then the doctor's had to get parental consent. Standard american behaviour. The only benefits on the other hand are cosmetic.
I'd go source hunting but spending too much time on this subject just get's me pissed.

hmm. well they have tried alot to stop that fun activity.

what part of cosmetic is it, to get rid of saggy skin? It's not bad, i am cir. and i still got some so that leads me to think that doctor sucked, eww perv joke.

 

[Seldon2639]

We appear to have reached the logical end of any useful conversation. You believe there to be no benefit, and much cost. I believe there to be no cost, and some benefit. I've never met a man who resented his parents for circumcising him, nor any man who regretted not being circumcised. This is an argument which cannot be resolved, and which approaches insanity very quickly. We're at the impasse of two implacable and irreconcilable world views. For all the evidence you have that it doesn't help anything, I have evidence that it does (the AAP and WHO have vacillated back and forth on this issue like metronomes). For all the evidence you can bring that it causes problems, I can bring evidence that it doesn't. You believe it to be mutilation, I believe it to be a non-issue. Short of dueling to the death, there's no way to say one person is "right".

i completely agree that we are at an impasse, as you seem to be committed to your stance, and after literally years of research, a career in child-birth, and tons of anti-circumcision activism work, i think i would have to have a lobotomy to change mine.

however, if you would like to see a large presence of men who resent being circumcised at birth, a simple search for 'foreskin restoration forum' would probably do the trick.

A vocal minority does not indicate that there is a "large presence", just a loud one. The silent majority of men with circumcisions (which is about half of the U.S population) simply doesn't care. Our quality of life is not noticeably different from what the perceived alternative would be. I'd be having no more sex, no better orgasms, and no more happiness. It's a non-event in our lives. For a while I was on a jag on researching this myself, and the conclusion I came to is that no one really knows whether it's good or bad. So the only way to judge is whether the people who had it done are any worse off, and the vast majority of us don't even notice.

 

[jockslap]

I don't know maybe being able to enjoy sex is deviant. There are no proven benefits it first caught on in the 20's or 30's when they thought it would prevent masturbation it was disproven in the 40's but at his point it was instutuionalized. There was a lawssuit in the seventies and then the doctor's had to get parental consent. Standard american behaviour. The only benefits on the other hand are cosmetic.
I'd go source hunting but spending too much time on this subject just get's me pissed.

hmm. well they have tried alot to stop that fun activity.

what part of cosmetic is it, to get rid of saggy skin? It's not bad, i am cir. and i still got some so that leads me to think that doctor sucked, eww perv joke.

isnt it jews who get the circumsision? i thot they did it at a briss....was i wrong?
(tidbit::jewish people get circumcisions because way back in ancient days they where a nomadic desert traversing people, getting circumcisions kept sand from getting trapped under the foreskin and actually doing damage to the Vas Deferens)

 

[Danzaivar]

I heard somewhere that if you're circumsized it makes masturbation painful without using lube, cos theres no slack skin on the erect penis to compensate for the 'rubbing'. On the other hand during sex theres plenty of natural lubrication about so it's only an issue for soloing.

Debatably better/longer sex for debatably cheaper/easier masturbation...seems like a fair trade off if your getting it regularly, I guess.

 

[seidlet]

A vocal minority does not indicate that there is a "large presence", just a loud one. The silent majority of men with circumcisions (which is about half of the U.S population) simply doesn't care. Our quality of life is not noticeably different from what the perceived alternative would be. I'd be having no more sex, no better orgasms, and no more happiness. It's a non-event in our lives. For a while I was on a jag on researching this myself, and the conclusion I came to is that no one really knows whether it's good or bad. So the only way to judge is whether the people who had it done are any worse off, and the vast majority of us don't even notice.

but you cannot possibly say that you're not any worse off, since you've never experienced it any differently. for the record, many men that HAVE actually gone through the long and uncomfortable foreskin restoration process [which of course, doesn't restore the ACTUAL foreskin - severed nerves don't magically grow back] report that their sex lives are vastly more satisfying than they were before. the issue here is not that all circumcised men are leading sad, grey, unhappy lives - of course they're not - the issue is that they were never given a choice in whether or not they wanted functional, innervated, sensitive, erogenous tissue amputated. i'm sure some men would choose to be circumsized as an adult - for whatever reason - and what they choose to do with their bodies is none of my business.

i would also argue that the vast majority of circumcised men aren't particuarly well informed on the functions of the foreskin or circumcision in general, but that, of course, is totally anecdotal.

as we've both said before, we are definitely at an impasse.

 

[seidlet]

I heard somewhere that if you're circumsized it makes masturbation painful without using lube, cos theres no slack skin on the erect penis to compensate for the 'rubbing'. On the other hand during sex theres plenty of natural lubrication about so it's only an issue for soloing.

Debatably better/longer sex for debatably cheaper/easier masturbation...seems like a fair trade off if your getting it regularly, I guess.

it's not only an issue for soloing. the foreskin reduces friction and chafing during intercourse [a BIG plus for the partner, as well as the man in question], and contains nerve endings which contribute to stimulation, up to and including orgasm. the foreskin glides over the surface of the glans during mastrubation OR intercourse, and stimulates all those tiny erogenous receptors.

also, it's possible that foreskin actually HELPS a man last longer during sex, with some practice, because he can more easily tell when he's about to orgasm. more sensory perception is a good thing!

 

[whaleswiththumbs]

Debatably better/longer sex for debatably cheaper/easier masturbation...seems like a fair trade off if your getting it regularly, I guess.

wait, geuss it depends how lonely you are, i never had a problem finding lube, so i'm good either way then, yes!

 

[samsprinkle]

Circumsized. Don't really see any room for discussion in they cut off my foreskin with a blade...but hey, whatever you consider mature discussion I'll leave you to it!

 

[samsprinkle]

I heard somewhere that if you're circumsized it makes masturbation painful without using lube, cos theres no slack skin on the erect penis to compensate for the 'rubbing'. On the other hand during sex theres plenty of natural lubrication about so it's only an issue for soloing.

Debatably better/longer sex for debatably cheaper/easier masturbation...seems like a fair trade off if your getting it regularly, I guess.

it's not only an issue for soloing. the foreskin reduces friction and chafing during intercourse [a BIG plus for the partner, as well as the man in question], and contains nerve endings which contribute to stimulation, up to and including orgasm. the foreskin glides over the surface of the glans during mastrubation OR intercourse, and stimulates all those tiny erogenous receptors.

also, it's possible that foreskin actually HELPS a man last longer during sex, with some practice, because he can more easily tell when he's about to orgasm. more sensory perception is a good thing!

Why the fuck did they chop it off!? I am outraged! (assuming you speak the truth)

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

For everyone out there calling it 'mutilating a penis'.

Really? Have you ever seen a circumcised penis? It looks fine. How about driving holes through various parts of your body, then wedging pieces of metal in? Isn't that a bit more gruesome then taking off some extra skin?

 

[Danzaivar]

For everyone out there calling it 'mutilating a penis'.

Really? Have you ever seen a circumcised penis? It looks fine. How about driving holes through various parts of your body, then wedging pieces of metal in? Isn't that a bit more gruesome then taking off some extra skin?

That's debatable really, since a piercing doesn't actually remove any flesh some may argue it's a lesser evil.

You've kind of missed the point anyway, most people don't mind whether you choose to be circumsized or not. It's when you don't have a choice in the matter (Parents do it to you as a kid, Wife orders it while you're comatose, etc). Comparing it to piercings again, it would be like getting you 4 month old kid a belly-ring or a tongue ring or whatever. Fine if they said they wanted it but kind of a big call for the parents to make.

P.S. Bout the hand-crank action, thats fair enough, you learn something new every day. ^^

 

[Eipok Kruden]

I was born in Russia, and I don't believe the circumcision is a normal thing to do there. Or in Europe, but I might be wrong there.

So yeah, I'm not.

I don't see a point in cutting off, pretty much, a piece of yourself, especially in such a sensitive area for yourself... and especially for your own kids. What kind of a maniac would do that?

And based on the medical studies, there is no advantages of circumcision. It just seems like a rather barbaric, and possibly scarring practice.

Also... You know, I doubt that anyone would care whether you're circumcised or not by the time you get close enough to someone to get into their pants. I mean, really, if they do, the whole "relationship" isn't worth it.

There is nothing freaky about it, probably most of the world is uncircumcised. Both males and females, of course. Female circumcision seems even nastier.

It's religious, for some reason. Circumcision started in the bible which is one of the reasons why I hate that I'm circumcised. The other reason is that it's totally pointless. There aren't any benefits whatsoever. It's a barbaric tradition that started back before people knew what germs or atoms were. It should be stopped. I wish I wasn't circumcised when I was born.

This would most likely be the result if my parents had chosen to circumcise me as an infant, which by the way, is very rare where I live.

Lucky fucking bastard I so wish my parents hadn't circumcised me when I was an infant.

 

[Lord Beautiful]

Being an American and being that circumcision is the norm here (I think), yes I am, and I'm just fine with it. It's not like I remember my foreskin getting cut off.

 

[tthor]

I am circumcised, while there are no medical drawbacks currently, it's always safe for the precaution.
I can't stand however the social stigma affiliated with circumcisions. However you're a youngin' one day you'll look back and face palm at the ideas you had about all this. I know I face palmed about a lot of the ideas I had when I was in high school.

well, there is 1 medical drawback, circumcission does decreases sensitivity

 

[Eipok Kruden]

And based on the medical studies, there is no advantages of circumcision. It just seems like a rather barbaric, and possibly scarring practice.

Sorry to jump in there, Gormourn, but recently it's been found that being circumcised reduces the risk of catching HIV, as the virus attacks the cells in the foreskin. It still doesn't make you immune though.

I'm not gay, there's not a high chance I'll be getting HIV that way.

You do realize that you can get HIV from heterosexual sex too, right? I don't know how the "only gays can get HIV through sex" stereotype got started. If your partner has HIV and you have sex, you're going to get it too. Doesn't matter if you're straight or gay.

 

[Spartan Bannana]

And based on the medical studies, there is no advantages of circumcision. It just seems like a rather barbaric, and possibly scarring practice.

Sorry to jump in there, Gormourn, but recently it's been found that being circumcised reduces the risk of catching HIV, as the virus attacks the cells in the foreskin. It still doesn't make you immune though.

I'm not gay, there's not a high chance I'll be getting HIV that way.

You do realize that you can get HIV from heterosexual sex too, right? I don't know how the "only gays can get HIV through sex" stereotype got started. If your partner has HIV and you have sex, you're going to get it too. Doesn't matter if you're straight or gay.

If you'll look at some of the posts below it, we've cleared up that issue.
And notice how I said there wasn't a HIGH chance, not no chance at all.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

Edit: I think some people do it for religious purposes. Don't know what the reasoning is, though.

I believe it was Judaism that started it. But I think that came back down to the desert survival thing.

I think the original reasoning had something to do with preventing a kind of fungal infection. I think...

 

[lacktheknack]

It's not normal in Poland, or Europe. Why would it be?

No point, really. It's just inhumane, cutting off the most important part of a man just for... WHAT?

The most important part of me is my massive, throbbing...
Brain.
What did you think I was going to say?

Not "brain".

 

[searanox]

I'm not circumcised and I don't plan on being circumcised anytime soon. Not sure why anyone would do it willingly, because there is no significant benefit.

 

[mattttherman3]

In my high school, we had a substitute teacher that asked every guy in his class, individually and out loud, if he was circumsized, unfortunately, it was not in my class, if it was, someone would have gotten fired.