Poll: Console Gamers: Excited?

[Jandau]

To any PC, Console fanyboys out there who may completely lose their head over this...can't we all just get along?

You're excited we're getting shafted more and more and then ask if can all get along? Riiiight...

And don't get excited. If there's one thing the overall console population has shown is that they'll gulp down anything and is willing to get screwed over and still smile. The things happening to PC games (such as removal of dedicated servers) are things you guys were screwed over with to begin with. And don't expect to get those things in the future since overall buying trends support games that screw over customers and encourage publishers to stifle innovation, play it safe and take as much control OUT of the consumer's hands as possible.

Now, if you demanded those shiny features such as mods, dedicated servers, etc. a console generation ago, maybe we all (PC and console gamers alike) wouldn't be in this mess...

 

[KhaineII]

To any PC, Console fanyboys out there who may completely lose their head over this...can't we all just get along?

You're excited we're getting shafted more and more and then ask if can all get along? Riiiight...

And don't get excited. If there's one thing the overall console population has shown is that they'll gulp down anything and is willing to get screwed over and still smile. The things happening to PC games (such as removal of dedicated servers) are things you guys were screwed over with to begin with. And don't expect to get those things in the future since overall buying trends support games that screw over customers and encourage publishers to stifle innovation, play it safe and take as much control OUT of the consumer's hands as possible.

Now, if you demanded those shiny features such as mods, dedicated servers, etc. a console generation ago, maybe we all (PC and console gamers alike) wouldn't be in this mess...

Ugh, I hate you people. You show up 50 posts into a topic and just run at it with the blinders on. I've stated at least ten times that I'm not excited PC Gamers are getting shafted, I'm excited Console Gamers are getting some extra focus currently.

If that means the PC Community loses a little support in the process, then that's the way things are. It's a shame, but welcome to global markets. You need to remember these developers are in it to please you second, and make money first.

PC Gaming isn't going to die because of this, and I don't want it to. I own a PC, and I play quite a few games on it.

However, I also own an X-Box and play even more games on it than I do the PC. So yes, I'm excited the focus has fallen on consoles for the time being. Perhaps we'll get a few interesting tidbits out of it.

Also, to claim that we just accept anything that's handed to us on a silver platter is silly. Ooooh, we never had the support for Dedicated Servers in the first place. Guess we're all blubbering idiots, right? I mean, it's not like the hardware inside the damned console was specifically designed for P2P communications, a system which works just fine.

 

[KhaineII]

Ugh, I hate you people. You show up 50 posts into a topic and just run at it with the blinders on. I've stated at least ten times that I'm not excited PC Gamers are getting shafted, I'm excited Console Gamers are getting some extra focus currently.

What is this mysterious "focus" that consoles are supposedly lacking?

Extra. The keyword is extra. As in, more than was previously there.

It wasn't lacking to begin with. It just has extra focus.

Extra.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

I like hot wings ...

 

[KhaineII]

If they already have all the focus they need, why do they receive even more?

We don't. I don't think we need anymore. I'm going out in the world, pumping my console in the air over my head demanding that everyone pay attention to our whimsical needs.

It just so happens that the market has turned to us because, we're profitable. Call us the scourge of gaming with our "casual gamers" and our "attitudes to just blindly accept anything and everything" but god damnit, we've got a little extra attention.

I didn't ask for it, I didn't think we needed it, but here it is. So, should some improvement come along with it, then that's awesome. I'm jazzed up. I'd like to see improvement.

To hell with the mass majority opinion that says, just get a PC if you want that stuff. No. 'Cause then I'd be getting in the way of some honest to god advancement. I'm not going to just accept one platform as the only medium for design, I want all of them to be tinkered with. Netflix on consoles, damned awesome. MSN while playing console games, pretty sweet.

We haven't even scratched the surface here. There's a whole whack of stuff you could get on these consoles if there was some honest to god support for it. So, perhaps the small sliver of added focus will push that along a little. Just a little. But it's better than nothing...

 

[teh_gunslinger]

Yes, because feeling giddy that PC gamers are getting shafted really screams to get along. I think that this whole MW2 fiasco has shown, if nothing else, a deep seated loathing of pc gamers by console ditto. I can't for the life of me understand it.
Are we intolerable because we want better games? I wont settle for much of the console experience and I can't understand why console gamers wouldn't be shouting for better treatment themselves. In the case of dedicated servers I would love to see that on consoles and I would be behind that all the way. But the other way around it's mostly just a lot of 'Serves you right.' I would suggest that console players upped their own demands to game quality instead of dragging PC gamers down and calling elitist at every turn.

And how do OP figure that PC getting shafted will do anything for consoles. If MW2 is an example of the bog standard FPS experience you seem to want, then good riddance to it. If anything, screwing over the PC community will kill creativity. As I understand it, a lot of the new things in MW2 started out as mods for CoD4. And L4D, CSS, Half Life started out as mods and indie projects at first. Console gaming kills creativity I think.

But who cares. Enjoy your mod free games, lack of server admins, the abuse on Live and the racism. I'll be over here playing TF2 on well regulated servers, playing with my community or shooting stuff in space in Shattered Horizon.

Consoles are the lowest common denominator, and that's perfectly fine, but don't begrudge us for wanting the best possible experience.

 

[Jandau]

To any PC, Console fanyboys out there who may completely lose their head over this...can't we all just get along?

You're excited we're getting shafted more and more and then ask if can all get along? Riiiight...

And don't get excited. If there's one thing the overall console population has shown is that they'll gulp down anything and is willing to get screwed over and still smile. The things happening to PC games (such as removal of dedicated servers) are things you guys were screwed over with to begin with. And don't expect to get those things in the future since overall buying trends support games that screw over customers and encourage publishers to stifle innovation, play it safe and take as much control OUT of the consumer's hands as possible.

Now, if you demanded those shiny features such as mods, dedicated servers, etc. a console generation ago, maybe we all (PC and console gamers alike) wouldn't be in this mess...

Ugh, I hate you people. You show up 50 posts into a topic and just run at it with the blinders on. I've stated at least ten times that I'm not excited PC Gamers are getting shafted, I'm excited Console Gamers are getting some extra focus currently.

If that means the PC Community loses a little support in the process, then that's the way things are. It's a shame, but welcome to global markets. You need to remember these developers are in it to please you second, and make money first.

PC Gaming isn't going to die because of this, and I don't want it to. I own a PC, and I play quite a few games on it.

However, I also own an X-Box and play even more games on it than I do the PC. So yes, I'm excited the focus has fallen on consoles for the time being. Perhaps we'll get a few interesting tidbits out of it.

Also, to claim that we just accept anything that's handed to us on a silver platter is silly. Ooooh, we never had the support for Dedicated Servers in the first place. Guess we're all blubbering idiots, right? I mean, it's not like the hardware inside the damned console was specifically designed for P2P communications, a system which works just fine.

"Us people"? Edit your original post or accept that people who don't read your post in the first five minutes are going to respond to it without reading every bleeding post you made later.

The problem is that the fact that PC is losing support means you are not going to get any extra! Try to understand this, please. The reason PC is losing features is because publishers are trying to make PC gaming more like console gaming. You will not get the features we lost. If there was any chance of you getting them, we wouldn't have lost them in the first place.

As others have stated, extra focus has been on the consoles for ages now, so I'm not quite sure what you're expecting. Toolsets, level designing tools, modding support? Forget about it! Such things make it harder to sell DLC and that's where the market is moving (hard to get people to buy overpriced maps if they can make the same or better for free). The focus being on the consoles hasn't provided much "interesting tidbits" and has instead casued the decline of many features that were not replaced by anything superior or eqivalent.

As for your argument that P2P works, yes it does. That still doesn't change the fact that Dedicated Servers work better while requiring a minimum of extra effort.

If I could have my way, both PCs and consoles would have the same treatment. They both get modding tools, dedicated servers, few or no exclusives so we can all play the games we want to play, mouse and keyboard peripherials for consoles to allow better control in strategy games, etc.

However, a lot of people like you are happy with the stripping of features and fail to see that your attitude is the reason you're not going to get what you want. You don't know much about what you're talking about and have a very warped perspective on many things that I doubt I can reason with. If you choose to reply to this post, I doubt I'll answer further.

 

[Marowit]

so no not excited, not even phased.

paying for a gaming rig isn't an option for most people.

Dunno about you, but I have a custom gaming rig I built for like $600 2 years ago, and it still runs everything fine... you just gotta know what you're looking for and where to buy parts and it's cheap, and getting cheaper every year, it's the balls to the wall everything hasta be top of the line systems that'll run you up in price till you're out 3 months rent.

and for $600, it does everything I would do with a PS3 an Xbox 360, and MANY other consoles, and more. so when you look at cost to performance values, it's like buying a Pizza with all the best toppings over a sandwich with something you kinda like on it. costs more, but oh damn does it satisfy better.

here let me quote you the whole sentence:

"(lets face it, it's so much easier to plug a console into your TV than it is to build your own gaming rig - paying for a gaming rig isn't an option for most people). "

I can see how you might have mistaken it for me stating that people can't afford to build their own. I was saying that people can't afford to buy one from Dell, Alienware, etc...

Building a rig is the way to go, paying for a pre-built one is too expensive for the vast majority of people.

 

[KhaineII]

If you want consoles to be capable of modding, then they must be converted into PCs. Except they'll just be shitty PCs that aren't nowhere near as good as the real thing. If you want to do modding then use a PC.

Consoles are meant to be simple machines that are very good at the one thing they do: gaming. Trying to turn consoles into poor men's PCs is a horrible idea.

Sure they'd be "converted into PCs" in a way, so what? The whole idea of consoles is that they're a one time purchase device, that essentially creates a simplistic platform for developers. Same hardware, software, etc. When utilised properly they pound out some fantastic graphics, great frame rates, good connections, and so on. Just a great experience all around.

I do modding on the PC, but me and the mass majority of my friends own consoles. So, we'd like to make our own Dragon Age Campaigns, design maps for games like Modern Warfare, etc. and trade them back and forth. I can't give my friends my newest TF:2 map because they play consoles. To say, just use a PC is the most arrogant and useless argument out there. It's not based on anything, it's just the common action of people trying to force their favourite platform on everyone else.

I think it's a fantastic idea to bring PC concepts over to consoles. Why not? It'll just expand on the community for modders and the like. Hell, work on it and perhaps PC Gamers and Console Gamers could trade maps and other mods back and forth, and even play on the same server together.

It's a horrible idea to limit the potential of certain platforms, "just because they're lighter version of PC's."

"Us people"? Edit your original post or accept that people who don't read your post in the first five minutes are going to respond to it without reading every bleeding post you made later.

Wwaaaayyyyyyy ahead of you...a long time ago.

As others have stated, extra focus has been on the consoles for ages now, so I'm not quite sure what you're expecting. Toolsets, level designing tools, modding support? Forget about it! Such things make it harder to sell DLC and that's where the market is moving (hard to get people to buy overpriced maps if they can make the same or better for free). The focus being on the consoles hasn't provided much "interesting tidbits" and has instead casued the decline of many features that were not replaced by anything superior or eqivalent.

Not counting the addition of Netflix, MSN, Web Browsing, and the upcoming arrival of Facebook and Twitter, of course?

Absolutely they've cornered the market for modding and development tools, but Microsoft themselves released the tools on the PC that allow just about anyone to create their own XBox 360 games. To say modding tools will never make their way to consoles because these companies are so determined to make money, never explains how these tools we're dropped in to the laps of consumers on the PC. By accident?

As for your argument that P2P works, yes it does. That still doesn't change the fact that Dedicated Servers work better while requiring a minimum of extra effort.

If I could have my way, both PCs and consoles would have the same treatment. They both get modding tools, dedicated servers, few or no exclusives so we can all play the games we want to play, mouse and keyboard peripherials for consoles to allow better control in strategy games, etc.

However, a lot of people like you are happy with the stripping of features and fail to see that your attitude is the reason you're not going to get what you want. You don't know much about what you're talking about and have a very warped perspective on many things that I doubt I can reason with.

Yes, I'd love to remove all these features. Then I want to eat babies, and make love to your dead relatives.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it's a shame things turned out the way they did for PC users, but as a byproduct of that some extra focus falls on us console gamers. I didn't ask for the extra attention, but here it is. Is it wrong to hope for something out of it?

If you choose to reply to this post, I doubt I'll answer further.

Debate can be scary can't it? Not everyone sees it your way. I suppose the best option would be to walk away. I applaud you, sir.

 

[KhaineII]

So, as developers slowly "abandon" and "turn their back on" PC Gamers with console exclusives, dropped support for games (ie. Dedicated Servers, Less Patching, Boycotters, etc.) and a more general consensus for PC Gamers to quit feeling so entitled, are any console gamers like myself getting a little excited?

No, you heartless bastard.
What a horrible thing to say. I'm have a PC myself and I don't feel entitled. Why do some console owners have this crazy pent up self esteem problem. Let me lay it down here:
The PC is not 'better' than consoles, it is simply a different experience for different people

The only reason that we're getting short changed at the moment is because consoles are more profitable, it could easily change.

But you my friend, are a moron, and what you are saying is idiotic and uninformed.
And no, we can't just 'all get along' with you being so bigoted.

QFT... except that last bit, that's pretty troll-ish.

I'm sorta a multi-platform gamer, but whenever possible, I get a game for the PC rather than the console variants. For the most part, I only get games for consoles that only come out on consoles.

I just prefer games on the PC; I like the extra control and customisation that you can get from it.

Don't know why they put Furburt (what a strange username) on probation, hes right. PC gaming is not "abandoned" since a large part of Europe and the US still use the PC. Mostly its people who do something else on the computer than just play games, or people that prefer the experience they get on the pc, knowing that they can plug in a joystiq or gamepad, plug the pc into the tv and feel like its a console. Its just a bit more money for the developers cause there's a lot of console gamers who cant wait to buy more games. I don;t agree with the wee bit of "trolling" but i would say that the user who began the argument is wrong and misinformed, and a bit of a fanboy. There's no reason why console gamers should be happy about there being a bit less games on the pc, just like im bummed that PS3 gamers wont be able to play HL 2 ep 3 and Splinter cell 5.

Not...happy...about...PC's...losing...anything.

I've said this so many times I put it as an edit in the OP. Seriously, I'm getting tired of repeating this over and over.

 

[ucciolord1]

I hope PC gaming keeps on going... I like my RTS's the way they are....
But I just found out that the AC2 PC version comes out NEXT MARCH, so I am a little pissed that we are being neglected.

 

[Karhax]

Absolutely they've cornered the market for modding and development tools, but Microsoft themselves released the tools on the PC that allow just about anyone to create their own XBox 360 games. To say modding tools will never make their way to consoles because these companies are so determined to make money, never explains how these tools we're dropped in to the laps of consumers on the PC. By accident?

You can create your own 360 games, true. However, do you know the crappy deals Microsoft will make with you if you want to sell it? They own the platform and the whole marketplace.

If I would like to make money from a PC game I have made I could always just set up a webpage and a paypal account.

To make money from a 360 game I would have to negotiate with Microsoft, make sure I get a decent cut of the profits and try very hard to keep the rights to it.

 

[Bobbovski]

I really hope that console gamers can get better content and more features, but I would really hate it if PC gaming would "degenerate" because of it.

EDIT: I'm really not sure this is a good thing... since it's because of the influx of casual gamers that have made console gaming so big and profitable. Which is why developers will most likely focus on casual gamers rather then the 'hardcore' ones.

I hope I'm wrong though, because otherwise we're all doomed (unless the casual gamers slowly transform into hardcore gamers).

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

*snip*

here let me quote you the whole sentence:

"(lets face it, it's so much easier to plug a console into your TV than it is to build your own gaming rig - paying for a gaming rig isn't an option for most people). "

I can see how you might have mistaken it for me stating that people can't afford to build their own. I was saying that people can't afford to buy one from Dell, Alienware, etc...

Building a rig is the way to go, paying for a pre-built one is too expensive for the vast majority of people.

yeah, I guess i did take it wrong, but then again, I firmly believe anyone who is a serious gamer should do market research, and thus avoid companies that sell "Gaming" rigs entirely, especially alienware(after all they cost almost double if not more than base cost for a brand name case and some zip ties... not really worth it)

 

[Lord Krunk]

Uh... what?

Since when is the PC getting shafted a good thing for consoles? Maybe for fanboys, but it's not actually raising the bar for consoles. It's just lowering it for the PC.

I mean, intentionally making games worse is horrible for the industry in general.

Modern Warfare 2 and Borderlands were crappy ports. And while I never expected such neglect out of Infinity Ward, I can certainly see it coming out of Activision.

 

[ethaninja]

I've got to agree with Furburt.

 

[razerdoh]

THE PC GAMES WILL RISE AGAIN! btw we get all the chicks!

 

[Robby Foxfur]

i can't say i like your excitement, i know you not trying to but your stepping close to the line of starting a war (a flamie one at least). Consoles are good and they make stuff easier for devs but I personally don't want to have 4 different thing to play on, i can take my 17" Dell XPS almost anyplace I chose (the place that has a 3 pronged outlet for the boat anchor that comes with it) but its nice to have a multi tasker. sure console play DVDs and you can surf the web but there is just somethings they can't do, but I digress.

I would say that you have good ideas but not a good way of putting them in action, tools from modding on consoles would be cool but then you start to run into problems with the controller, and then the limited space that some consoles have. The Forge, in Halo 3, is nice but it is at time hard to control and it can be frustrating to use if you aren't use to it.

It almost seems like your spiteful to the PC gamers, and that you are enjoying seeming them slowly dwindle and maybe your not but your message just comes off as a bit ... hurtful to a PC game like myself, it would be cool to see Console get more options and I'd support you all the way but if your saying it would be cool for consoles to get more options at the expense of tossing aside a still large fan base, then I'd have to say that sir is a travesty.

I know you didn't try to come across as spiteful i just thought i should share my thoughts with you.

What I'm really looking forward to is a cross platform multi-player game, that would really break down some barriers, and would finally answer the question of how is better, at that particular game of course.

 

[Robby Foxfur]

EDITdouble post at 6 am awesome! but seriously sorry for the double post)

It seems to me that consoles are becoming PCs. They have hard drives, installs, menus, internet, social networking, graphics, and controls that are becoming suited to them. I wouldn't say that PCs are disappearing, just being moved somewhat.

AHH HAA! a man that knows a few things, i'm glad you said it because i was thinking it and didn't put it down. its true maybe the next gen of console are just gonna be the "gaming" part of a gaming rig, how cool would that be? (brings a whole new meaning to plug and play)

Thank you kind Sir for bring this up *gives zeldakong64 a cookie*

 

[Mcface]

how can you say "go fuck yourself" and "cant we all get along" in one post?