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RhombusHatesYou

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Iron Mal said:
(I believe this is the result of the console game's greater simplicity and low maintinence compared to a high grade gaming PC of the same power).
Any PC running with the same power as a console has no right being labelled a 'high grade gaming PC'.
 

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I wonder why people all ways use the "you have to make sure the game works on your computer" argument. I am graced with a great gaming p.c but even when I buy games for my crappy old laptop I never even bother to glance at the system requirements.

I've found un-less its dx10/11 specific any pc made in the last 3-4 years will play any new release, although you may have to play it on low.
 

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RhomCo said:
Iron Mal said:
(I believe this is the result of the console game's greater simplicity and low maintinence compared to a high grade gaming PC of the same power).
Any PC running with the same power as a console has no right being labelled a 'high grade gaming PC'.
Thank you for that response.

Now might I refer you to the fourth point made in my first post?

Your response right there has pretty much proven my point.
 

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Iron Mal said:
RhomCo said:
Iron Mal said:
(I believe this is the result of the console game's greater simplicity and low maintinence compared to a high grade gaming PC of the same power).
Any PC running with the same power as a console has no right being labelled a 'high grade gaming PC'.
Thank you for that response.

Now might I refer you to the fourth point made in my first post?

Your response right there has pretty much proven my point.

Lessee now... *rummage rummage*

4- PC gamers (in general) have higher standards and expectations from their games. I, a console gamer, had fun with Halo 3 and MW2 yet I have seen many examples of people on here who treat them with scorn and turn their noses up at them (with this in mind, are you suprised that devs may be less willing to make a game for a crowd who might turn around and call their hard work 'mediocre shit'?).
I'm talking about the hardware, spannerhead. I didn't mention games or that certain popular console titles are bad or piss in your coffee or run over your dog. I might have punched your grandmother but if that old lady was her, she took the first swing.

Now, are you really trying to say that a current gen console has the same power as a high end gaming rig running with high speed multicore CPU, a mid-to-'enthusiast' level GPU only one or two generations old (which is like a week or so for PC GPUs <- hyperbole)and what would have been once been considered stupid amounts of high speed RAM? High end gaming rigs aren't just about being able to play the latest games at stupidly high framerates at stupidly high resolutions with all the options set to "fuck me crooked", they're also about having the largest ePenis you can have.


That doesn't make PCs any better for gaming, not when consoles are designed specifically for that task. They get to do more with the power that they have. It's nothing to be ashamed of.


However, if you want my opinion of Halo 3 and MW2... I'm indifferent to their existence.
 

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Catalyst6 said:
However, one can also point to things like Dragon Age, where you pretty much needed to play it on PC to get it done correctly.
I disagree. While I do believe that the game would probably be best if played on the PC, I play it on my 360 and I love it.

I personally believe developers are focusing on consoles. That's not to say that the PC is being ignored completely, but consoles are definately favored by the developers.
 

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They are more focusing more on consoles definitely. RPGs and FPSs seem almost tailor made for PC. The multitude of buttons help out the RPG experience, and the mouse is miles ahead of the joystick when it comes to aiming. But more people buy console games than PC games. In fact, most of my friends have never heard of Steam and have never played game on PC, which makes me cry a bit on the inside.

I personally prefer a nice mix of both, but most gamers go for console games, so that's what developers go for.
 

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I work in a gaming store. You pit the new releases for consoles against the pc there is no competition. It's a fact, unfortunately PC is not in it's prime. We have one tiny rack with pc games, and every wall coated with console ones.
 

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RhomCo said:
I think a lot of devs are focusing on consoles because that's what publishers are paying them to do.
This is most likely. After all, there's one thing that publishers like, and it's selling out for lots of money.
 

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Consoles pirate just as much as PCs in fact just awhile ago PS3 was hacked and they also have updates so that leaves you with just one point.
Consoles definitely aren't pirated even half as much as PC. It's a hell of a lot more difficult to pirate games on even the 360, much less the PS3.
 

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It's a hell of a lot more difficult to pirate games on even the 360
Nah, pirating the games is easy.

Keeping a 360 up to date with hacked firmware so you can play those pirated games, OTOH, can be a bit fiddly at times...
 

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RhomCo said:
Catalyst6 said:
This is most likely. After all, there's one thing that publishers like, and it's selling out for lots of money.
Publishers don't sell out, they're who you sell out to. :p
'swhat I meant, they love people selling out heh
 

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Matters what developer you're talking too. I'll take two popular ones... Bungie, my favorite, is all consoles. No question.

Valve is all PC. What console support they give either sucks balls or is hampered to a lower level by Microsoft.

But if you take it as a whole then consoles are getting the majority of the spotlight when it comes to marketing campaigns and such. That's a good thing for me since I far prefer consoles.
 
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D_987 said:
Glademaster said:
Consoles pirate just as much as PCs in fact
Bullshit:

Game-Specific Piracy Data

The data above indicates the general scale piracy, but the issue at hand is an examination of the piracy of PC games. A reasonably robust method of gauging the approximate scale of PC game piracy is to look at the torrents for the pirated releases of recent big-name games. In most cases there are multiple torrents available for the same game, however below I simply post a brief summary of the numbers involved from only a few of the more popular individual torrents and what they add up to as of the start of December 2008, using the popular torrent search engine Mininova:

Crysis Warhead (released Sept. 16 2008):

Crysis Warhead Multi-11 Full-Rip Skullptura - 84,139
Crysis Warhead MULTi10 CLONEDVD-iMMXpC - 54,029
Crysis Warhead-RELOADED - 36,240
Crysis WarHead 2008 - 29,836
CrYsis Warhead [MULTi10][CLONEDVD][FullGame][CrackIncl] KaYz 2008 - 22,784
Crysis Warhead CLONEDVD PC [English] - 16,039

The sample of torrents above adds up to 243,067 downloads for the PC version in just over a two month period. Note that Warhead sells for $29.99 as opposed to the $49.99 for a standard game.


Fallout 3 (released Oct. 30 2008):

PC Version:

Fallout 3-RELOADED--cgaurav?-- - 75,152
Fallout 3 Full-Rip Skullptura - 72,987
Fallout 3-RELOADED.[sitenameremoved.org] - 48,926
Fallout 3 [PC] - 45,130
Fallout.3-RELOADED.[sitenameremoved.com] - 12,226
Fallout 3-RELOADED [Full ISO/RPG/2008] - 12,110
FALLOUT 3-TRiViUM - 5,032

I counted almost 90 individual torrents for the full PC version of Fallout 3. The small sample listed above adds up to 271,563 downloads in a one month period.

XBox 360 Version:

Fallout 3 USA XBOX360-RUiNS - 6,649
Fallout 3 READNFO XBOX360-Seed4ME - 5,612
Fallout 3 PAL XBOX360-GLoBAL - 4,220
Fallout 3 GERMAN-0x0007 - 2,336
Fallout 3 USA PROPER RETAIL XBOX360-x360inT - 1,171

I counted around 30 individual torrents for the XBox 360 version of Fallout 3. The sample listed above adds up to 19,988 downloads in a one month period.

PS3 Version:

I couldn't find any Fallout 3 torrents which were labelled as or appeared to be for the PS3.


Call of Duty 4 (released Nov. 6 2007):

PC Version:

Call of duty 4 [PC-DVD] [English] 3876100 TPB - 205,277
Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare Full-Rip Skullptura - 111,310
Call Of Duty 4 Modern Warfare [English][PCDVD] - 96,082
Call Of Duty 4 [PCFullGame][Eng-DvD][CrackIncl] KaYZ 2008 - 43,805
Call Of Duty 4-Razor1911 - 40,839
Call Of Duty 4-Razor1911 [sitenameremoved.com] - 21,456
Call Of Duty 4 - 18,295
++sitenameremoved com++-Call of Duty 4 DVD Modern Warfare - 17,212
Call of Duty(R) 4 - Modern Warfare - 12,300

I counted over 100 active torrents for the PC version of this game, a year after its release. The sample listed above adds up to 566,000 downloads in a one year period.

XBox 360 Version:

XBOX 360 Call Of Duty 4 Modern Warface [PAL] - 12,231
Call Of Duty 4 PAL FR XBOX360-PROPER - 11,758
[Xbox360-ITA]Call Of Duty 4- Modern Warfare - 9,702
Call Of Duty 4 Modern Warfare PAL FRENCH XBOX 360 - 9,277
Call Of Duty 4 Modern Warface PAL XBOX360-GAC[sitenameremoved.org] - 7,182
Call of Duty 4 [PAL - Spanish - XBOX360] - 5,194
Call Of Duty 4 ENG XBOX360 - 3,513

There were around 20 XBox 360 torrents for this game, and the sample listed above adds up to 58,857 downloads.

PS3 Version:

Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare USA PS3-PARADOX - 24,185
Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare PAL PS3-MRN () - 9,484
Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare PAL PS3-MRN - 6,876
Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare USA PS3-PARADOX[sitenameremoved.net] - 5,382
Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare USA PS3-PARADOX[sitenameremoved.org] - 3,683
Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare USA PS3-PARADOX[sitenameremoved.org] - 3,065

There were only 6 PS3-labelled torrents for this game, and I've listed all of them above, adding up to 52,657 downloads over the past year.


For those questioning whether these figures are even remotely accurate, one well-known piracy site recently released a Top 10 Pirated PC Games of 2008 listing, and they even went so far as to insist that torrent figures compiled in this manner should be highly accurate.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_4.html

Piracy on PC's are at ridiculous levels - you should read those articles. Don't try to tell me piracy levels have somehow dramatically changed in a year and a half...
Most piracy on consoles is from people getting their console chipped then buying the games off the person that did it. Yes it is as rampant as PC piracy if you really think that it is not there you are just being an ostrich. It is there and it is as bad.
 
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MetallicaRulez0 said:
Glademaster said:
Consoles pirate just as much as PCs in fact just awhile ago PS3 was hacked and they also have updates so that leaves you with just one point.
Consoles definitely aren't pirated even half as much as PC. It's a hell of a lot more difficult to pirate games on even the 360, much less the PS3.
You could easily look on the internet and find out how to do or pay someone to do it and they aren't hard to find. Then the games would be bought off siad person at a fraction of the cost so it looks like piracy is less with less downloads. If you really don't think it is as bad you need to get your head out of the sand.
 

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That's difficult to answer. There's a big focus on console titles because of the number people who game on them but there's also a large focus on casual gamers through Flash games and the like.

Then there are the companies that don't mind catering to niche markets that find the game they want to make would only ever work on a PC.

Different companies develop for different platforms and cater to different audiences. The only way PC gaming will ever die is if PCs themselves cease to exist.
 

OrdinaryGuy

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Consoles, obviously. There is a huge market for console owners. PC games make up only a fraction of total game sales. Still, I wish PC was more prevalent since it is my favorite system for gaming. Luckily, there are still some developers that adamantly support PC and will not drop it any time soon.
 

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SniperWolf427 said:
Consoles.

Besides, consoles offer ease of use on the side of the consumers. Push a button and play. No updates, installations (unless you count the PS3, but shut up, my point still stands), not to mention a lack of any need for major console DRM.
Lets see;

Updates, present on all 3 current gen consoles.

Installs for disc based games, present on the 360 and ps3 (ps3 include manditory installs.

DRM present on all 3 current gen consoles. And if bricking your console as a punishments not a major response, I'm not sure what is. Console DRM just affects less innocent byestanders, and almost all of them brought a modded console unknowingly.

Developing on the PC eads to the need to cover more hardwear types yes, but that more affect bugs, as pc arhitechture is fairly uniform, and instruction tend to go through standerdised instruction sets like directx anyway.

The PS3 is no easy beast to program on, partially as its noticiably different in archtecture to anything else on the domestic market, especially if you want to use it to its fullest advantage.

Console games are really easier to make as they are often less complex than pc games. This has become less so recently, but is still true. The disparity in FPS games certainly has, but stratagy, there are more complex flash game than console stratagy games!
No installs for Uncharted 2, Killzone 2 and God of War 3.

But you're right, they're just pretty flash games