Poll: deciding about abortion.

[0p3rati0n]

what adoption doesn't exist any more!? If I was raped and having a baby (yet I'm a male) I'd have it and then decide what to do with it. Besides banning it is just my opinion. Why are you getting worked up over someone's opinion?

I apologize, I did not wish to come across as being "worked up," I simply wanted to present another side. Also one's "opinion" if put into practice (and I mean anyone's opinion not just yours) would affect lives, lives of people whom have different opinions, but whom are not allowed to act toward them.

Thus, although I think that people should indeed get worked up over other opinions, I was not and did not wish to come across as attacking you. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

I understand your presenting a situation and the other side. But abortion is taking a souls life away. I don't find that fair. adoption is the most fair option for the other life. That's why I say it should be banned.

 

[ElephantGuts]

I'd say father-mother 30-70. But if the mother wants to keep it and the father doesn't, she can't expect the father to help take care of it in any way.

But no matter who wants what, I suggest abortion. Yes, even if all parties involved are in support of the child.

There are just too many fucking people on this planet.

 

[lacktheknack]

Abortion is murder.
So....... neither.

Umm, you have to be alive to be murdered, and to be alive you have to be born.

If we measured life from before birth it'd get confusing.

Children have heart beats before they are born you know.

Also, their brains work pre-birth. But really, the original poster must have wanted angry responses to post that.

 

[PersianLlama]

Abortion is murder.
So....... neither.

Umm, you have to be alive to be murdered, and to be alive you have to be born.

If we measured life from before birth it'd get confusing.

Children have heart beats before they are born you know.

Also, their brains work pre-birth. But really, the original poster must have wanted angry responses to post that.

Sperm are also living. So every time we masturbate, it's a genocide of sperm!

 

[lacktheknack]

Abortion is murder.
So....... neither.

Umm, you have to be alive to be murdered, and to be alive you have to be born.

If we measured life from before birth it'd get confusing.

Children have heart beats before they are born you know.

Also, their brains work pre-birth. But really, the original poster must have wanted angry responses to post that.

Sperm are also living. So every time we masturbate, it's a genocide of sperm!

Sperm don't have brains, unborn babies do.

 

[PersianLlama]

Abortion is murder.
So....... neither.

Umm, you have to be alive to be murdered, and to be alive you have to be born.

If we measured life from before birth it'd get confusing.

Children have heart beats before they are born you know.

Also, their brains work pre-birth. But really, the original poster must have wanted angry responses to post that.

Sperm are also living. So every time we masturbate, it's a genocide of sperm!

Sperm don't have brains, unborn babies do.

So, a brain decides if something is worth living or not?

What about when they're just a clump of cells before any major organs develop?

 

[Snugglebunny]

The Mother! Its her body, her decision! No man, government, or other institution should tell her what she can and cannot do to her own self. Its the mothers decision all the way.

[I myself am pro choice, but anti-abortion. If I got pregnant, I would keep the child, by I would never force anyone else to do the same]

 

[Cuniculus]

It's the mother's decision. Her health, her body, her life.

 

[WrongSprite]

Abortion is murder.
So....... neither.

Who cares if its murder?

Do we need more humans? Really?

 

[lacktheknack]

Abortion is murder.
So....... neither.

Umm, you have to be alive to be murdered, and to be alive you have to be born.

If we measured life from before birth it'd get confusing.

Children have heart beats before they are born you know.

Also, their brains work pre-birth. But really, the original poster must have wanted angry responses to post that.

Sperm are also living. So every time we masturbate, it's a genocide of sperm!

Sperm don't have brains, unborn babies do.

So, a brain decides if something is worth living or not?

What about when they're just a clump of cells before any major organs develop?

I don't know about that one. Mother's choice, I say.

 

[mojopin87]

Mother's decision primarily, as in she hsa the final say, though the father and other family members should have some input. Also to the whole murder therefore never do it and put unwanted kids up for adoption, that is so very naive. It must be nice to be so black and white about something. Truth is, the adoption and foster parents system is completely fucked in many cases and causes a great deal of psychological trauma. Not to mention the huge number of families living in poverty this creates causing yet more suffering for the children and the parents. And don't even get me started on how fucked the human race is if we don't control our population somehow.

Also, the reason this is such a big issue is that the religious whackjobs (mostly in the states) swho eem to think that telling teenagers that condoms and other contraceptive measures don't actually work is a good idea is a HUGE part of the problem because most teens will have sex regardless of whether they are told to abstain or whatever nonsense they are peddling these days. Also, there is a high correlation between teen pregnancy, poverty, and religiosity. There are many people who end up with huge families living in squalor because you know you just gotta be fruitful and multiply cause God says so.

The 99 % thing on condoms is because 1 out of a hundred might fail. NOT that one of every 100 WILL fail. Essentially its just the company covering their asses despite the fact that the actual rate of failure is lower than advertised. Also, birth control pills are a wonderful invention. When used in conjunction with condoms you get to the 99.9% range of effectiveness (again probably lower than actual rate) so in short, birth control works so use it if you want to have sex. Or if you are really, really paranoid, just don't have sex.

Regarding rape, I would never EVER ask a woman to carry a child that was a result of such a brutal act for 9 months against her will. You say adoption but I say you have absolutely no clue as to the psychological trauma that would result from such circumstances. I guess what I'm trying to say is, its all well and good to sit on your high horse and say "its murder so don't do it." But I can't believe you are actually convinced it is that simple. If you are then I don't see the point of discussing it. I've just heard way too many sad stories result from people not having the option or being coerced into keeping a child they don't want by family and religious figures.

 

[PersianLlama]

Abortion is murder.
So....... neither.

Umm, you have to be alive to be murdered, and to be alive you have to be born.

If we measured life from before birth it'd get confusing.

Children have heart beats before they are born you know.

Also, their brains work pre-birth. But really, the original poster must have wanted angry responses to post that.

Sperm are also living. So every time we masturbate, it's a genocide of sperm!

Sperm don't have brains, unborn babies do.

So, a brain decides if something is worth living or not?

What about when they're just a clump of cells before any major organs develop?

I don't know about that one. Mother's choice, I say.

But that clump of cells is still a Homo sapien.

(For the record, I support abortion)

 

[lacktheknack]

Abortion is murder.
So....... neither.

Umm, you have to be alive to be murdered, and to be alive you have to be born.

If we measured life from before birth it'd get confusing.

Children have heart beats before they are born you know.

Also, their brains work pre-birth. But really, the original poster must have wanted angry responses to post that.

Sperm are also living. So every time we masturbate, it's a genocide of sperm!

Sperm don't have brains, unborn babies do.

So, a brain decides if something is worth living or not?

What about when they're just a clump of cells before any major organs develop?

I don't know about that one. Mother's choice, I say.

But that clump of cells is still a Homo sapien.

(For the record, I support abortion)

Urrrghh.... I don't know what to think anymore.

Yes, I'm easily swayed.

 

[Internet Kraken]

It's the child of both of them. Neither pf them have more right over it than the other.

If the father does not want the kid, he doesn't have to pay childcare. If the mother does not want it, she can just ditch the kid with the father after birth. I don't think the father should be able to force the woman to have an abortion, and I don't think the woman should be able to have an abortion without the agreement of the father.

Though to be honest, I'm not such a big fan of abortion in general.

 

[GammaChris]

Abortion is not baby-killing, it's not murder, it's not even manslaughter. Abortion is simply the removal of some unwanted cells from a willing mother. When a sperm hits and egg, those two cells do not instantly transform into a person. It takes weeks and months of growing and developing to become a human being. Conception is not the moment of life, rather, the first moment of brain function is. I cannot see how a person of reasonable mind can try to convince another that a small mass of cells is a human. It is only part of a human at that point. If this is true, an argument could be made that male masturbation is murder (or half-murder, at least).

In any case, it should be up to both parents to have an abortion or not. Removing one of their opinions, or trying to stop abortion in general, is a gross infringement of human rights and civil liberties, and should be punished with a slap to the face and a shot of reason.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Abortion is murder.
So....... neither.

Who cares if its murder?

Do we need more humans? Really?

Do we really need you? Do we really need any human on this message board?

Who's to say that the fetus couldn't accomplish more than us? Why do we have the right to live when it does not?

 

[Internet Kraken]

Abortion is not baby-killing, it's not murder, it's not even manslaughter. Abortion is simply the removal of some unwanted cells from a willing mother. When a sperm hits and egg, those two cells do not instantly transform into a person. It takes weeks and months of growing and developing to become a human being. Conception is not the moment of life, rather, the first moment of brain function is. I cannot see how a person of reasonable mind can try to convince another that a small mass of cells is a human. It is only part of a human at that point. If this is true, an argument could be made that male masturbation is murder (or half-murder, at least).

A fertilized egg is may be no more than a clump of cells, but it will grow into a fully functional human. You are killing a human, as those cells will turn into a human.

Sperm and egg are just the potential for human life. When the sperm fertilizes the egg, they become more than just potential.

 

[GammaChris]

Abortion is not baby-killing, it's not murder, it's not even manslaughter. Abortion is simply the removal of some unwanted cells from a willing mother. When a sperm hits and egg, those two cells do not instantly transform into a person. It takes weeks and months of growing and developing to become a human being. Conception is not the moment of life, rather, the first moment of brain function is. I cannot see how a person of reasonable mind can try to convince another that a small mass of cells is a human. It is only part of a human at that point. If this is true, an argument could be made that male masturbation is murder (or half-murder, at least).

A fertilized egg is may be no more than a clump of cells, but it will grow into a fully functional human. You are killing a human, as those cells will turn into a human.

Sperm and egg are just the potential for human life. When the sperm fertilizes the egg, they become more than just potential.

The simple fact that you said "will grow" proves my point. A fetus is not a human, it is a fetus. Killing a fetus may be bad, but it is not in any way murder.

Unless, of course, we are to believe that two cells (a sperm and an egg) equals a human being. The dispute is not 'can they be', but 'are they'. Simply put, they are not.

 

[londelen]

I think the decision should be 50/50 each way. That way it is more fair, despite the discrimination against men in the legal system already. Why should it be the mother's decision, when without the father it wouldn't exist in the first place?

 

[Internet Kraken]

Abortion is not baby-killing, it's not murder, it's not even manslaughter. Abortion is simply the removal of some unwanted cells from a willing mother. When a sperm hits and egg, those two cells do not instantly transform into a person. It takes weeks and months of growing and developing to become a human being. Conception is not the moment of life, rather, the first moment of brain function is. I cannot see how a person of reasonable mind can try to convince another that a small mass of cells is a human. It is only part of a human at that point. If this is true, an argument could be made that male masturbation is murder (or half-murder, at least).

A fertilized egg is may be no more than a clump of cells, but it will grow into a fully functional human. You are killing a human, as those cells will turn into a human.

Sperm and egg are just the potential for human life. When the sperm fertilizes the egg, they become more than just potential.

The simple fact that you said "will grow" proves my point. A fetus is not a human, it is a fetus. Killing a fetus may be bad, but it is not in any way murder. Unless, of course, we are to believe that two cells (a sperm and an egg) equals a human being. The dispute is not 'can they be', but 'are they'. Simple put, they are not.

No it doesn't.

Sperm alone will not turn into a human. The egg alone will not turn into a human. However, joined together they will form a human. Just because the cells have not yet formed the human it does not mean that abortion is justified. The cells will form a human. What gives us the right to prevent that human from being made?

It is still murder. You are ending the life of an individual. You are just doing it before that individual had a chance to exist.