But the difference surely is that when you're not high anymore you're aware of what was the drug? Personally I don't trust what I see if I have taken something, but it's interesting to watch. It's a lie for sure, but then so is watching a film. I agree that self awareness is needed with hallucinogens, if you did that with a drug like mdma you would ruin the entire experience.Lono Shrugged said:
TheRightToArmBears said:
Huh... I've never met anyone like that. That's staggeringly dumb. I thought people got over that shit in the 60's.Lono Shrugged said:
Personal experience coloring my opinion on the matter. I don't know you and wouldn't attempt to give you a reason. Blanket generalizations are by their nature hyperbolic.chadachada123 said:
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Bil Hicks, Easy Rider etc. It's endemic of popular culture to glamorize the effects. Scanner Darkly is more like it in my experience.TheRightToArmBears said:
When you talked about alcohol I assumed you meant drinking to get drunk. If you're talking about having a beer or two that's a different story entirely. At that quantity alcohol is very safe and pretty much entirely harmless.Evil Smurf said:drinking a beer looks better the downing a bottle of cough syrup at the pub bro2012 Wont Happen said:
As always, I sought people who are intelligent enough to back up their statements.beastro said:
Eh, that's what people get for believing Hollywood. I think the only accurate drug fiction film I've ever seen is Human Traffic, and that's not about hallucinogenics.Lono Shrugged said:
I never experienced any of the bad effects you talked about, although a friend who drank way too much experienced some bad things a couple weeks ago. I had to take care of him that night, keep bringing him water, make sure he had a place to vomit that wasn't my floor, ect. At a regular dose I've never noticed it or heard about it happening though.unoleian said:
It is a little ridiculous. I know a guy who uses DXM as almost a religious sacrament. It gives really interesting feelings that, in the moment, feel like religious enlightenment, but I can't imagine sobering up and concluding "that thing I experienced on a semi-hard drug was the truth".TheRightToArmBears said:
As someone who's been down more psychoactive roads than you are probably aware even exist, let me tell you this is a dangerous mode of thought. Strike it from your consciousness immediately and appraise yourself more fully of the risks and long-term effects of the substance you are taking so much of. I implore you to back off of this shit if you value your quality of life and your intelligence.2012 Wont Happen said:
You are absolutely right and he has written amazing books and was a fantastic and intelligent writer. The people I am talking about have never read Hunter S. Thompson. Or if they did they only paid attention during the zany stories. It reminds me how I read that some Marines watch Apocalypse Now or Platoon and cheer during the scenes where they burn the villages down and kill innocent people because it was "hardcore" I really don't want generalize here. And I am a massive fan of all that stuff I referenced. I just know some people who watch the movie and laugh at "We're in bat country" and don't pay attention during the diner scene.Abandon4093 said:
And then on the other hand I know a frequent LSD and salvia user who is an eagle scout and goes to Harvard.unoleian said:
It's likely that I'll try those at some point. I'm not opposed to them, I just have no earthly idea of where I would get them. I know some shady people that could probably help me out.Abandon4093 said:
It is true that the law isn't always based on how safe something is but on chance and public opinion at the time the laws were made.Abandon4093 said:
Here's a problem: There are varying degrees of drunkeness. You seem to be working under the assumption that you're either drinking for the taste, or you're getting black out drunk, with nothing in between. That is as wrong as it can get. You can get pretty darned drunk with no lasting effects, especially if you remember to stay hydrated and replenish the stuff your body is losing[footnote]mainly electrolytes, protein, and fat[/footnote] in order to prevent a hangover. Drinking isn't dangerous at all unless you drive drunk/do something else stupid while drunk, or you drink past buzzed, past tipsy, past drunk, past stumbling drunk, and into the territory of blackout drunk. And blackout drunk is /really/ drunk. I had seven drinks[footnote]that's standard alcohol units or whatever the proper term is -- one (average American strength) beer, one shot of hard liquor, or one glass of wine[/footnote] in the course of an hour or two one night, it only got me to the point of stumbling, and I was up in the morning without a trace of a hangover. So hopefully you can see how saying alcohol is just as dangerous as DXM because it's possible to get black out drunk is a bit of a red herring.2012 Wont Happen said:When you talked about alcohol I assumed you meant drinking to get drunk. If you're talking about having a beer or two that's a different story entirely. At that quantity alcohol is very safe and pretty much entirely harmless.Evil Smurf said:drinking a beer looks better the downing a bottle of cough syrup at the pub bro2012 Wont Happen said:
As always, I sought people who are intelligent enough to back up their statements.beastro said:
There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.Owyn_Merrilin said:Here's a problem: There are varying degrees of drunkeness. You seem to be working under the assumption that you're either drinking for the taste, or you're getting black out drunk, with nothing in between. That is as wrong as it can get. You can get pretty darned drunk with no lasting effects, especially if you remember to stay hydrated and replenish the stuff your body is losing[footnote]mainly electrolytes, protein, and fat[/footnote] in order to prevent a hangover. Drinking isn't dangerous at all unless you drive drunk/do something else stupid while drunk, or you drink past buzzed, past tipsy, past drunk, past stumbling drunk, and into the territory of blackout drunk. And blackout drunk is /really/ drunk. I had seven drinks[footnote]that's standard alcohol units or whatever the proper term is -- one (average American strength) beer, one shot of hard liquor, or one glass of wine[/footnote] in the course of an hour or two one night, it only got me to the point of stumbling, and I was up in the morning without a trace of a hangover. So hopefully you can see how saying alcohol is just as dangerous as DXM because it's possible to get black out drunk is a bit of a red herring.2012 Wont Happen said:When you talked about alcohol I assumed you meant drinking to get drunk. If you're talking about having a beer or two that's a different story entirely. At that quantity alcohol is very safe and pretty much entirely harmless.Evil Smurf said:drinking a beer looks better the downing a bottle of cough syrup at the pub bro2012 Wont Happen said:
As always, I sought people who are intelligent enough to back up their statements.beastro said:
Yeah, but realistically, what are you aiming for with this? And how much do you have to take for it to have risks? Because for alcohol you're all the way at the "incredibly high" end before you have to worry about much of anything, and for the most part you aren't getting quite that drunk. With DXM, seems like you're usually aiming for the higher end of the scale, just due to the nature of the beast.2012 Wont Happen said:
Of the five possible plateaus of DXM high (1, 2, 3, 4, sigma), a recreational user generally aims for the second plateau. Some people aim for the third, but even that is rare. I accidentally hit the fourth plateau and now I always dose on the low side just because I don't want that happening.Owyn_Merrilin said:
