Poll: Did the Death Knight kill WoW?

[Fronken]

I play an unholy DK (full epic, using Armageddon), but yeah, the DK class is overpowered and need a nerf, and they are getting somewhat of a nerf in next content patch, blood is getting nerfed but unholy is getting buffed (increased Gargoyle dmg).

Blizz really needs to fix their balancing issues, i've been playing WoW for about 3 years and it has never been balanced, always 1 class that is imba and 1 class that sucks.

The nature of the MMO is that in PvP there will NEVER (let me repeat that in case you're deaf) NEVER be complete balance.

If balance were achieved one class or another would whine until they got some ability that tipped the scales again and we'd be back to where we are now.

That's kinda funny seeing as i played Guild Wars for almost 2 years and there was never any balancing issues...

So yeah, MMO's can be balanced, Blizz just sucks at making the game balanced, they always have.

 

[KronosIII]

I agree for the most part that it kind of gave warriors and pallys a really hard time in getting gear. Since everyone has a damn DK and wears plate it has made warriors and pallys a bother to get some good gear. In terms of OP, not by much, BUT THEY REQUIRE NO SKILL TO PLAY. If you found a ret pally or hunter to be easy, well get ready for maybe the most easy class to play in the game. And almost all locks are gone from the game and rerolled a dk. Me playing a mage miss my rival the lock. Sure he always wants the same gear as me, but I never wanted him gone. An ss on a healer is a thing of the past. DK's are fine.....and I think we are fine without them as well. But what needs the most love is arms/fury wars in pvp and locks.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I like the threads talking about how overpowered/underpowered certain classes are. I'm not going to disagree or anything, but it seems that any time something is new AND requires players to change a strategy it is automatically overpowered. Take the Knight of the Blazing Sun in WAR - it is quite literally, a rebranded Chaos Chosen. Same role, same skills (with new names), and same basic potency on the battlefield. Yet, when I played the class shortly after it was released, the universe was moaning about how ungodly powerful the class was. I agreeed for a bit becuase I wasn't truly aware just how much healing I was getting dumped on me (there weren't many Order tanks at the time, and the quickest way to draw heals on those days was put on a shield and some heavy armor). Then, as I moved on to different areas and class ratios evened out again, I found that, when I was no longer getting an entire party's worth of heals for myself at all times, the class was easily killed.

There may be a problem with the DK in WOW, but I'm also fairly certain that it isn't an instant I-Win choice either. Eventually, people will figure out how to circumvent the problems the class presents, player numbers will level out and all will be well. It's not like Blizzard doesn't have a long, proud history of giving millions of players exactly what they want to keep on playing.

 

[theklng]

No, the Death Knight did not ruin WoW. Anyone who says they did looks at theory and not practice. Let me give you an example of what I mean:

"Well its overpowered coz its a hero class which makes it suck. It has a pet like hunter, It can gain health back, its just stupid"

Let's extract hard viewpoint from this. According to this line:
:- Death Knights are overpowered because it's a Hero Class
:- Because it has a pet, it's great
:- Because it can regenerate health, it's great

Now, anyone who's worth listening to is going to take those facts, be told they're apparent proof of how godly Death Knights are, and they're going to laugh at how flimsy and ignorant thse arguments are.

Death Knights are fine. They're equal tanks, they're equal DPS. No idea how they are in PvP, but from my perspective, which is raiding and heroic instances, they're just as good as anyone else, which lends credence to the goal of "Bring the player, not the class".

If you ask me, WoW has gotten better and better as time has gone on. Anyone who says otherwise is either a very in-depth player who enjoyed a certain way of playing and refused to adapt to suit new changes, or an ignoramus who needs to stop being ridiculously hypersensitive to change. Here's a good example of that last part:

"Let's be honest WoW was dead as soon as PvP was changed, 40-man raids were abolished, the level cap was raised and futuristic space-land was added. Which all happend at the same time. It's called the Burning Crusade and it RUINED LIFE."

Literally, the poster said "Four major places have changed" - but all of them changed for the better. PvP was made into an Arena system, that demanded actual ability instead of grindfests (as an aside: I ground my way to General ranking in the old honour system and I managed to rack up a 1900 rating in my brief Arena spat. The latter was FAR more preferable because it demanded that you were GOOD at what you do instead of having TIME to do it alot. The former was simply a timesink that demanded you run with a large premade against PuG teams repeatedly, ad nauseum), 40-man raids were abysmal compared to 25 and 10-man variants, the level cap being raised effectively does nothing but add more content to enjoy and a new setting is a personal matter, but I didn't really mind it.

Sadly, you get many people who will simply say "The expansions killed WoW" regardless of WoW's major growth, total enjoyability and depth. These people were simply unwilling to change with the game, and therefore, while others bent like bamboo, they broke like dry twigs, and their false wailings can be heard throughout the internet.

Phew. That's some wall o' text.

careful there, you're mixing subjective statements to sound as fact. just because the changes work for you doesn't mean they work for everyone else. it's not a given that people want to play a game just because you think that the changes made are great. everyone has a different taste, so if a developer removes what the players like or adds what the player doesn't like, the player isn't going to stick around.

bashing people for leaving because they don't find a game entertaining is like bashing people for choosing a coffee/wine/object of indulgence that tastes better over one that tastes worse (because of the extra ingredients added to the worse; just to complete the analogy).

 

[John Funk]

That's kinda funny seeing as i played Guild Wars for almost 2 years and there was never any balancing issues...

So yeah, MMO's can be balanced, Blizz just sucks at making the game balanced, they always have.

Guild Wars had issues, yes. Not as many, because they didn't have quite as many skills to balance, they didn't have to balance PvE vs PvP, the classes weren't as complicated (not saying they weren't complicated, just WoW's classes are pretty huge).

WoW is pretty damn balanced considering its scope.

 

[Grand_Poohbah]

Ha! What makes you think and MMO giant like WoW with over 10 million subscribers and growing is dying?

 

[Vlane]

Didn't WoW have class problems from the beginning that they ended up patching?

Yes and now they will patch this problem. Then they will release another patch that makes another class overpowered and so on.

 

[Fronken]

Didn't WoW have class problems from the beginning that they ended up patching?

Yes and now they will patch this problem. Then they will release another patch that makes another class overpowered and so on.

It's the evil circle that is WoW, instead of working on making the game balanced they choose their picks of the month and buff the one they think is the worst beyond reason and nerf the one that was their last pick into the ground.

Take retri paladins as an example, they sucked, then came the pre-wotlk patch and they became unbeatable for a couple of weeks, same for Shamans pre-tbc, they were imba for months before Windfury finally got nerfed into what it is today.

 

[Quel0]

DK's aren't all that scary...

game just caters to a lot of rock paper scissors mechanics...
some classes aren't used to being in that equation.

 

[DireFrog]

When Death Knight first started pouring into battlegrounds I thought they where overpowered. Im not one of the Elders of WoW. I wasnt there to see many of the amazinng things that happened in those days because really I was a kid. I hadnt even heard of WoW. In fact I lived in Cyprus. And sometimes I wish I had been there. To do Upper Blackrock Spire and it being a real trial. Doing MC and having real stratgey. I understand that the game is being dumbed down and I dont know if I would be even playing if it hadnt. I joined at the time slightly between when everyone had settled down with BC and the revealing of WotLK. Really its like the difference of the time when having a disc and a stick was entertamient and today. But back to the point in hand after that sentmatail warbling. I have never been good in BGs being an soloing Balance Druid. And when I founf my self being in the middle of some DK ping pong I was enraged. I thought that Blizzard had messed up the whole class. And I'll still think that some times when I get my butt pwned by a group of DKs. I do feel that they need a punch in their smug hero faces with the nerf brass knuckles. I do kinda think that Blizzard did go to town with them. But not enough that they should be abolished or have some sort of dramtic change put to them. I do like the idea of toons progressing to hero classes. Like Assination rouges becoming Assassins and Fury warriors become Beserkers or somthing. So yeah I do think they are OP but they havent killed it. And Im NOT buying the excuse of "But there a Hero Class. That gives them a lience to be overpowered, a store discount and all the parking privalies gained by said lience." Also on a more wimsical note I think there should be Tauren Rouges. Peace out y'all.

 

[stormcaller]

Listen, hero class

If it was balanced people would be complaining if it was under-powered there would be more complaining Blizzard knows full well the DK is Over-powered and their just giving us a fun taste for now until the nerf comes a knockin'.

While they're at it nerf ret pallies, I won't ask for any more fury warrior buffs though because free TG and Bloodsurge are the best things to happen to my dps in ever.

 

[TheMasterGL16]

To all the people who don't like WoW, please stop posting.... this is a discussion about DKs NOT about why you don't like WoW in general.... if you don't play, don't comment.

Also, I would like to keep this conversation civilized, please refrain from swearing and directly putting down other people.

Thank you.

 

[Altorin]

To all the people who don't like WoW, please stop posting.... this is a discussion about DKs NOT about why you don't like WoW in general.... if you don't play, don't comment.

Also, I would like to keep this conversation civilized, please refrain from swearing and directly putting down other people.

Thank you.

well, fuck.

we just got told.

 

[dannipulsa]

DK didnt, the burning crusade didt, well for me anyway

 

[Aschenkatza]

Pfft no. Idiots killed WoW.
If anything, I'm glad the DK class was brought out. It REALLLLLLLLLY helped me identify the IDIOTS in the game.
The DK is such an easy class to understand once you take the time to make the perfect rotation. I knew... One or two GOOD DK's. The rest couldn't dps for crap. If your normal DPS can't outdo a DK then your DPS needs to work harder.

And WTF stop saving they need a nerf, THEY WERE NERFED. GET OVER YOUR PITY PARTY AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIVES.
If you don't like the game, Stop whining and quit like me.

 

[Altorin]

In short, no one thing will ever "kill" wow

it may make specific people stop playing, but WoW will continue.

Until there are several huge issues that Blizzard chooses not to address, or they go NGE on us and it sucks as much as SWGNGE, or Blizzard shuts the doors on WoW, it will never die.

 

[thiosk]

Hero classes should have been a rare drop in early 25 man raids, and then every tom dick and harry wouldn't have been able to roll one, and you'd see the dude and be like 'woh dude kan i haev sum gold?".

 

[LiL'Tic]

Death Knights did NOT kill wow. while i understand that they might be overpowered, they have not made the game any less fun because of the simple fact that all the things they have added to the game, the new DK starting area is very fun and all the new features and add-on such as achievments and new mounts and quests and things has still made the game very fun and i still play it from time to time. (Gnome Rogue FTW!!!! )