Poll: Did the Death Knight kill WoW?

[asinann]

I play an unholy DK (full epic, using Armageddon), but yeah, the DK class is overpowered and need a nerf, and they are getting somewhat of a nerf in next content patch, blood is getting nerfed but unholy is getting buffed (increased Gargoyle dmg).

Blizz really needs to fix their balancing issues, i've been playing WoW for about 3 years and it has never been balanced, always 1 class that is imba and 1 class that sucks.

The nature of the MMO is that in PvP there will NEVER (let me repeat that in case you're deaf) NEVER be complete balance.

If balance were achieved one class or another would whine until they got some ability that tipped the scales again and we'd be back to where we are now.

That's kinda funny seeing as i played Guild Wars for almost 2 years and there was never any balancing issues...

So yeah, MMO's can be balanced, Blizz just sucks at making the game balanced, they always have.

If in any game there is a dominant build that shows you a lack of balance.

The dominant build when I was playing was the Warrior/Cleric.
That shows that the warrior/cleric set up was overbalanced.

I was actually passed over for groups because I was a warrior but not a cleric, again showing overbalancing.

In a game with classes, there is NEVER balance.

 

[GothmogII]

I would have thought it was because they were an unknown factor, not because they are actually more or less powerful than most of the other classes...I mean I can beat DK's just fine on both my hunter and paladin...wouldn't say it'd be different for other classes. Of course you're going to die a lot against a class you don't really know about, but of course seeing as they've been out for a while, people have gotten used to them. Hardly game killing at all.

 

[Fronken]

I play an unholy DK (full epic, using Armageddon), but yeah, the DK class is overpowered and need a nerf, and they are getting somewhat of a nerf in next content patch, blood is getting nerfed but unholy is getting buffed (increased Gargoyle dmg).

Blizz really needs to fix their balancing issues, i've been playing WoW for about 3 years and it has never been balanced, always 1 class that is imba and 1 class that sucks.

The nature of the MMO is that in PvP there will NEVER (let me repeat that in case you're deaf) NEVER be complete balance.

If balance were achieved one class or another would whine until they got some ability that tipped the scales again and we'd be back to where we are now.

That's kinda funny seeing as i played Guild Wars for almost 2 years and there was never any balancing issues...

So yeah, MMO's can be balanced, Blizz just sucks at making the game balanced, they always have.

If in any game there is a dominant build that shows you a lack of balance.

The dominant build when I was playing was the Warrior/Cleric.
That shows that the warrior/cleric set up was overbalanced.

I was actually passed over for groups because I was a warrior but not a cleric, again showing overbalancing.

In a game with classes, there is NEVER balance.

I only played on the american server, so im not sure how it was on other places, but when i played it (the full ~2 years i played it), there was never any problem with balancing the different classes, there wasnt 1 class combo that everyone played, like you are saying.

I for example played Ranger/Elementalist, because i really enjoyed being long range and being able to dish out massive AoE damage, and when it came to pvp, i almost always won because of my ability to stunlock opponents (using Comets), yet my class combo wasnt all that popular, most of them i saw didnt even play the way i did, so i wasnt the dominant build, and i never met another class combo that was, sure there were some class combos that were a complete ***** to play against, but that's the way its supposed to be.

So yes, a game with classes can be balanced, Not fully balanced, there will always be some classes that have small advantages over others, but that can be surpassed using skill, and that's the way it's supposed to be.

 

[germang]

sounds like you all just suck

agreed, sorry. you fail, casters are the worst vs dk but i do play ele/resto shaman both sets part 226 and rest 213 of course, and i smash on dk's. so if youre a caster i suggest u step ur game up, if you're melee you should either reroll or quit.

im not saying i never lose vs dks, but all the factors depend on your skills. if you suck you suck, but can only get better.

 

[TheMasterGL16]

I would just like to clarify, a few things... ONE, my Main is a Mage, and my friend is a Paladin... we play A LOT together and have voice chat on, so we have really good communication and team work. But even together we can't take down an equal level Death Knight.

Before you tare me apart and accuse me of sucking, Let me point out that I have never been killed by a class I didn't want to fight before the Death Knight. That stupid pull is WAY to overpowered, it needs a longer cool down so Mages have a chance to blink and at least try to fight back.

I can accept the fact that I might not be able to win every fight. But when I've never killed a DK, EVEN when it was 3 levels below me, and I hit it with slow while on its horse... and I was full of health... and I had a potion... that is unreasonable.

 

[Sewblon]

Make other hero classes but make it so that hero and non-hero classes can't attack each other and make new PVP battlegrounds specifically for hero classes.

 

[germang]

lol.. ive seen plenty of mages rape dk, but it depends on your build, depends on your gear, you were most likely pve and most dk are pvp spec due to dk + pally in arena, or you just suck, most just suck vs dk because its a new class and dont know how to really play against them.. but dks are casters worst nightmare!

oh and im sure my shammy would make you re think of not wanting to arena/duel vs me

 

[Reqium]

To be honest, i feel that Dk's are only Overpowered now, they'll get nerfed in the next few months, like how at the release of WOTLK, hunters did massive damage, and now were nerfed to shit, or the Ret pally buff pre-wotlk, i think they just made DKs overpowered so people could enjoy it for the time being, in my view Dks are getting a nerf pretty soon and people will *****. and suddenly there arent so many dks around anymore because all the people who button mash without tactic are gone

 

[Hamsterlad]

no but it did make it like the rabbit effect. i hate the death knight

 

[Hamsterlad]

Well its overpowered coz its a hero class which makes it suck. It has a pet like hunter, It can gain health back, its just stupid theres hardly any warlocks that play wow now coz they all rerolled DK (jesus christ Blizzard we need our SS and summons) Tbh i think they should just nerf them

ummm there are plenty of locks playing, and DK are not that overpowerd.

I play a Frost mage and i dont have any problems killing ANY death knights

 

[DrHoboPHD]

I hope it results in the death of WoW, then Blizzard can make WC4 instead of releasing more expansions for that second job.

 

[Hamsterlad]

the DK isn't that bad there not that powerful also if you cant kill a simple death knight then you must be a noob.

 

[Acid Armageddon]

All I can say is...

For the Lich King!

 

[ItsAPaul]

They can tank better than the other classes on a few bosses, but since everything's easy as hell anyway, that only comes up on achievements. What killed the game is being able to get full epics in less than a week and blizzard having no clue how to balance classes anymore. Oh, and Arena kills the game more than ever.

 

[TheMasterGL16]

Wow, I'm shocked so many people don't think they are overpowered...

For all the people who think they aren't overpowered, how would one kill a DK?

 

[Kikyoo]

I would just like to add one little thing. I think the biggest outcry of being OP is coming from warriors. Death knights are like warriors but without so many weaknesses. Lemme make a quick list of comparisons.

1: Stances vs Presences. Right now Warriors have to switch stances to use certain abilities, at no time do we ever have access to everything. We also suffer major penalties for being in different stances, AKA -10% damage done in defensive stance, and +10% damage taken in Berserk stance. Death knights suffer nothing from being in different presences, and no matter witch one they are in, they have access to every ability. Switching to frost presence is the same as a warrior putting a shield on and switching to defensive stance, but without suffering for it. Suffering from a loss of abilities needed in order to be viable in PvP, a loss of straight up damage, or survivability.

2: Strikes. Warriors get 1 instant cast strike ability with 31 talent points. Death knights get many that have various effects. Mortal strike has a 6 second cool down and can spec into 5 and blood thirst has a 5 second cool down. Death knights can hit you with at least 2 obliterates, and 2 heart strikes before all of there runes are used up. that's a whopping 4 strikes to a warriors 1. 2 if you count whirl wind. Everything else a warrior has is off procs.

3: Spell damage. Death knights get dots, shadow DD, Shadow AoE, Frost DD, and a lot of it is just part of the normal DPS rotation for them. Warriors are pure physical damage, so it is difficult for a warrior to beat a death knight when a death knight can bypass most of a warrior's armor.

4: Range. Warriors have piratically no range. Death knights have a lot of range. They have a range snare, a range pull, a range silence, and range DPS. They are deadly up close, but they also have a lot more versatile tools than warriors do.

5: Mitigation. Warriors have high armor and health, but nothing to mitigate spell damage. All Warrior Mitigation is only really usable in defensive stance and with a shield on and most of it only works on certain things. Death knights have several tools to soften blows, and usually keep them up. Making death knights extremely tough and difficult to bring down, even for casters. The downside to this is while warriors have to give up a lot of damage in order to be tougher, Death knights do not. They are able to just be tough whenever the cool downs are up.

6: Army of the dead. This power just destroys everyone in PvP. Seriously what does anyone have that even comes close to competing with this in PvP? Holy wrath? Divine storm? Lay on hands? these come to mind but they do not seem as overpowering as this one power that all death knights get. Maybe if a warrior uses shield wall he might be able to live threw this onslaught for 12 seconds, before getting destroyed. Honestly if anyone can think of a counter for this ability lemme know. It might be a joke for a mage, but that seems unlikely since a death knight will just death grip you back into the ghoul's range and chains of ice you.

Basically the point of this post is, Warriors used to be the most feared class in PvP, and now a death knight is very clearly better. I've killed a few Death knights it's still possible, but any death knight right now in frost presence just kills me. Death knights it feels like have no glaring weakness right now. Nothing that can really be done to defeat them. It's less work for a stronger class, and most of the useful PvP powers for Death knights they just get standard. Warriors have to spec into most of the tools they need for good PvP.

Have they killed WoW? No. Are they OP? Yes. Does it make me mad? Not really, I've been a warrior for a really long time. We've been kicking ass and taking names longer than most other classes can brag. It does feel unfair that they don't have to work as hard to get better skills than a warrior does, and it certainly is different to have a class out there that simply can beat me hands down if the other person isn't a complete retard. But I don't let it bother me much. Death knights I feel do need a serious overhaul to be a bit more fair, but I'm not expecting it to come. I have a feeling Death knights are going to be the new kings of PvP, and all the PvP nuts out there will roll Death knights.

I will say with Death knights in the game now I feel really really old. Death knights were built from the ground up, based on a lot of the best stuff from a lot of other classes. That is part of why it feels like they have no weakness. My warrior feels barbaric and stone aged compared to all the death knight strikes dots and coils.

 

[Ezzay]

Well its overpowered coz its a hero class which makes it suck. It has a pet like hunter, It can gain health back, its just stupid theres hardly any warlocks that play wow now coz they all rerolled DK (jesus christ Blizzard we need our SS and summons) Tbh i think they should just nerf them

English called, he wants you to apologize.

On topic, yes and no, I no longer play the game because I don't see the need for a second job I need to PAY for and also because the game is unbalanced in almost every way you can think of. So it is not solely the Deathknights fault.

I pray it will crash and burn but I know it will not, because blizzard is raking in the money even if the game is complete garbage.

I hope it results in the death of WoW, then Blizzard can make WC4 instead of releasing more expansions for that second job.

I think warcraft 4 is not a possibility. World of Warcraft has ripped the lore to shreds and it is no longer interesting.

Starcraft and Diablo are the fallbacks, both of which I find more fun than that crap we all know as WoW.

 

[Dainobi]

the only reason you would think that they are overpowered is either you have never gotten one past level 70 or you pvp the whole time. in pve... thats a whole different story