Poll: Do you enjoy Moviebob's content?
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When did you consider him insightful? I used to watch his movie reviews some time ago. Never really thought he was particularly clever, just kinda interested in the "nerd chique" perspective of mainstream movies.Signa said:
Then I saw his take on the Scream series and how he openly admitted to having an irrational hatred for the series simply because he felt that the "guy who watches a lot of movies" persona in the film was stepping into the space he created for himself. That was when I realized that he is kinda crazy or at least infantile ("i'm speshul guise") and I shouldn't take his opinion on anything seriously.
Oh dear, I almost forgot about that one. After that Scream review I didn't watch him for 4 months and avoided anything with his name on it. It was perhaps one of the worst reviews I ever watched. I wonder if Bob ever regrets posting that video. I can't remember the video that turned me around on him.giles said:
I generally like his movie reviews and greatly enjoy his comic book insight. He does tend to get hung up on certain films he doesn't like and seemingly can't resist reiterating that he doesn't like them (ASM, MoS). When his personal political and social views come into play, he is utterly intolerable.
No, I am calling out a thoroughly undeserved, downright slanderous comparison. I don't believe for a second that comparing ''film snobs'' to Gamergaters was necessary nor acceptable. He clearly meant to be incendiary in the comment and that's what I take issue with.camazotz said:
I mean, I love anime. Plenty of people can't stand anime. You don't see me comparing these people to the KKK or other racist groups.
Bob said that Thompson ''had it coming'' in response to this question:
So yeah, I don't see how you can fall back on the old ''you're taking him out of context!'' excuse there.Robert Rath said:
Thompson was a relentless fanatic, no doubt; but to say he deserved to be harassed and threatened is something different altogether. And I'd argue that the tweet he responded to asked a good question that people still aren't willing to face.
Since Jim Fucking Sterling Son keeps coming up, I feel an explanation is apt.
Sterling takes on a persona of an immature, self-absorbed asshole who is fascinated with the sound of his voice while believing those who don't follow him have something wrong with them. Chipman is that persona. When Jim isn't laying it on thick, it's pretty apparent that he's a pretty personable guy I'd really enjoy having a beer with at a pub. I think I'd cease to enjoy Chipman's company when he couldn't stop taking about the dudebros sullying Nintendo's greatness by deny them their rightful place atop the medium. Also how bad The Amazing Spiderman and Man of Steel are and how awesome anything Marvel does is.
Sterling takes on a persona of an immature, self-absorbed asshole who is fascinated with the sound of his voice while believing those who don't follow him have something wrong with them. Chipman is that persona. When Jim isn't laying it on thick, it's pretty apparent that he's a pretty personable guy I'd really enjoy having a beer with at a pub. I think I'd cease to enjoy Chipman's company when he couldn't stop taking about the dudebros sullying Nintendo's greatness by deny them their rightful place atop the medium. Also how bad The Amazing Spiderman and Man of Steel are and how awesome anything Marvel does is.
I think Bob has a great deal of talent but too often looses his thread in the long grass of his political leanings. Overall I find his politics somewhat contradictory and in some cases I would go so far as to say hypocritical - probably best described as typically "college liberal*"- so his more politically charged content tends to put me off.
*For clarity I am not attacking liberal values, I consider myself to be broadly liberal in my leanings, but rather commenting on the particular brand of very black and white, anti-establishment, somewhat naive liberal politics to which Bob seems to subscribe.
*For clarity I am not attacking liberal values, I consider myself to be broadly liberal in my leanings, but rather commenting on the particular brand of very black and white, anti-establishment, somewhat naive liberal politics to which Bob seems to subscribe.
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Yeah, I didn't see the movie, but I liked his analysis of Sucker Punch, because it sounded like it was in line with what the movie was actually going for, instead of following the public opinion of the movie. There were a few others in that area that seemed similarly insightful, but I forgot about them. I appreciate a critic's ability to see beyond what's directly presented on the screen, and that's why I thought he was insightful. Lately, it's just been the shit that you're siting.
When he isn't soapboxing Moviebob is OK but what he has to say isn't particularly unique. His politics and straw manning of his imagined opponents are annoying but are also the most (only?) interesting thing about him. There is a rubberneck effect going on where I will watch his videos just to see how ridiculous and inflammatory he can get. He genuinely seems to think that nerds, and by extension himself, will become sexually attractive to strong women by adopting feminism. Like a gender flipped version of a romance novel, a strong woman would come in and sweep him off his feet if not for patriarchy. As if personal deficits can be compensated for through politics.
I really used to enjoy him and wondered why people would nay say him so much. But the last 8 months, I have become more and more turned off by him and now see why people nay say him. He just seems not able to see any arguments but his own, which... well he just comes off as a huge douche. After the things he said on Twitter and in his over thinker videos I can't even watch his content on the escapist and enjoy because he comes off as a hypocrite to me now.
Bob reminds me of a guy a that I go to college with great first impression but just down hill from there, but then really douchie side slowly seeps out overtime .
Bob reminds me of a guy a that I go to college with great first impression but just down hill from there, but then really douchie side slowly seeps out overtime .
There are things I starkly disagree with him on on a deeply philosophical level.
But damn can the man deconstruct movie theory. So it depends entirely on whether or not he's using his platform to soapbox for his philosophies about how the manly man is evil or if he's discussing movies on their own merits.
If it's the former, I don't enjoy it at all. If it's the latter, well, that's the reason I keep coming back to watch him. As of late he's been a lot more in the former camp so it's been frustrating. It's also somewhat disappointing to see every female secondary character get mad props from him as having deserved the primary role over a male character. But eh, that'll slow down soon and we'll be able to escape to the movies with Bob again rather than Bob and his best friend "white male guilt".
But damn can the man deconstruct movie theory. So it depends entirely on whether or not he's using his platform to soapbox for his philosophies about how the manly man is evil or if he's discussing movies on their own merits.
If it's the former, I don't enjoy it at all. If it's the latter, well, that's the reason I keep coming back to watch him. As of late he's been a lot more in the former camp so it's been frustrating. It's also somewhat disappointing to see every female secondary character get mad props from him as having deserved the primary role over a male character. But eh, that'll slow down soon and we'll be able to escape to the movies with Bob again rather than Bob and his best friend "white male guilt".
Exactly. He's great for those reasons and will be great again. Disagree or not with his opinion in practice, it's well thought out and well portrayed in those videos.Fenrox Jackson said:
I voted 'generally no'
He is knowledgeable about his field and does have some interesting insights, but his attitude and antagonism just absolutely taints everything he produces into the point I can't stand enough to actually get to or care enough about those few nuggets of worthwhile insights, and I can't say I particularly miss his content since the time I started actively avoiding it.
And I'm saying this as someone who actively agrees with a fair amount of his politics; his behavior is just that extreme a level of revolting in my eyes.
He is knowledgeable about his field and does have some interesting insights, but his attitude and antagonism just absolutely taints everything he produces into the point I can't stand enough to actually get to or care enough about those few nuggets of worthwhile insights, and I can't say I particularly miss his content since the time I started actively avoiding it.
And I'm saying this as someone who actively agrees with a fair amount of his politics; his behavior is just that extreme a level of revolting in my eyes.
Can't help but think this was just inviting people to start laying into him. Saying "keep it civil" is the forum equivalent of horror film character saying "it's probably nothing" at the distant snarling noise.
I usually agree with him and even when I don't I find him informative. I'm not a comic book fan and have found him a really valuable resource when it comes to enjoying and understanding the Marvel films. He's often really spot on when it comes to some of the calling out subsets of the "nerd" community for their bullshit.
I usually agree with him and even when I don't I find him informative. I'm not a comic book fan and have found him a really valuable resource when it comes to enjoying and understanding the Marvel films. He's often really spot on when it comes to some of the calling out subsets of the "nerd" community for their bullshit.
I like The Big Picture .... when its about geeky things, and Escape to the Movies if ok as well, but I skip eps of that if I just don't care about the movie
I'm fine with Bob most of the time, but we're talking something like a 60-40 ratio here.
Thing is, Bob's clearly got his likes and dislikes, and I doubt at this point I have to explain what they are. When talking about 'geek stuff' this isn't really an issue, because it fits his passion. However, it gets to me when it starts encroaching on things that shouldn't be compared to them. For example, the opening of his 'Interstellar' review has references to Star Wars and Age of Ultron because...he likes Star Wars and Age of Ultron. Lucy is called a "Black Widow film" because he likes Marvel. This may seem like making a mountain out of a molehill, but it does keep coming up with more regularity than I'd care for. As a casual viewer, I don't watch most of his 'geek stuff' as it's not really in my realm of interest (e.g. never got into the superhero genre in comics). I don't begrudge that content existing, and no-one is forcing me to watch it. But in content that has nothing to do with this genre or other areas that might be related to it, I feel the attempts at shoehorning to be jarring at times.
Thing is, Bob's clearly got his likes and dislikes, and I doubt at this point I have to explain what they are. When talking about 'geek stuff' this isn't really an issue, because it fits his passion. However, it gets to me when it starts encroaching on things that shouldn't be compared to them. For example, the opening of his 'Interstellar' review has references to Star Wars and Age of Ultron because...he likes Star Wars and Age of Ultron. Lucy is called a "Black Widow film" because he likes Marvel. This may seem like making a mountain out of a molehill, but it does keep coming up with more regularity than I'd care for. As a casual viewer, I don't watch most of his 'geek stuff' as it's not really in my realm of interest (e.g. never got into the superhero genre in comics). I don't begrudge that content existing, and no-one is forcing me to watch it. But in content that has nothing to do with this genre or other areas that might be related to it, I feel the attempts at shoehorning to be jarring at times.
Yes, I do.
I don't always agree with him, that's for sure. But he tends to present arguments in a reasonable, coherent and argumented manner. Doesn't really matter if I agree or not (or the degree to which I agree or disagree), he is still capable of presenting an issue well enough and giving some (of his own) insight into it.
Also, not all of his stuff is polarizing. While there have been some contentious episodes of the Big Picture, a lot of it is simply presenting various aspects of geek/nerd culture and giving an overview of it, which is a great way to learn about new things in those areas.
As for his film reviews, this is down to how much his taste aligns with yours. While I'm on the same page as he is a lot of the time, I do think he's been too hard on some films (most recently, Interstellar), but that's a matter of taste, and the flaws he list for a film are usually accurate, though the extent to which they may or may not bother you is variable. I do, however, think he should stop mentioning the new Spiderman films so often - I agree that they were shit, but it really seems to annoy quite a few viewers and serves no real purpose except to undermine his reviews.
Aside from that, I also watch his non-Escapist series which are gaming-focused. Here I tend to disagree with him more often, mainly because he's a Nintendo fanboy and very dismissive of PC gaming. But I accept his viewpoint and it doesn't hurt me to get exposed to a different perspective on gaming.
All in all, he does good work and I hope he continues.
I don't always agree with him, that's for sure. But he tends to present arguments in a reasonable, coherent and argumented manner. Doesn't really matter if I agree or not (or the degree to which I agree or disagree), he is still capable of presenting an issue well enough and giving some (of his own) insight into it.
Also, not all of his stuff is polarizing. While there have been some contentious episodes of the Big Picture, a lot of it is simply presenting various aspects of geek/nerd culture and giving an overview of it, which is a great way to learn about new things in those areas.
As for his film reviews, this is down to how much his taste aligns with yours. While I'm on the same page as he is a lot of the time, I do think he's been too hard on some films (most recently, Interstellar), but that's a matter of taste, and the flaws he list for a film are usually accurate, though the extent to which they may or may not bother you is variable. I do, however, think he should stop mentioning the new Spiderman films so often - I agree that they were shit, but it really seems to annoy quite a few viewers and serves no real purpose except to undermine his reviews.
Aside from that, I also watch his non-Escapist series which are gaming-focused. Here I tend to disagree with him more often, mainly because he's a Nintendo fanboy and very dismissive of PC gaming. But I accept his viewpoint and it doesn't hurt me to get exposed to a different perspective on gaming.
All in all, he does good work and I hope he continues.
