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Meriatressia said:
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Not after the whole "Amazing Spider Man 2 broke me!" Wangst fest and the video telling me "You're WRONG about Spider Man 3." He's nothing interesting about him, and his scornful attitude of Gamergate was nothing short of disgusting. The faster he leaves and fades into obscurity, the better.
I agree on Amazing Spiderman 2. That review is a freaking joke! It's exactly what you said. Wangst and nothing else. And then filling the rest with crap about spiderman 3. For no reason whatsoever. 'You're wrong about spiderman 3! Wah!' Acting all accusitory and nasty because it's bad and people say it.
Another here. I think it's after Amazing Spiderman 1 that I started to not like him. Mostly what I hate is his refusal to let something he hates go, he'll whine and whine and whine some more about whatever it is every even slightly related video or article he gets long after the work was made, and the only time he'll stop is if something he hates even more comes along. What's worse is he tends to whine about insignificant or even outright false things about whatever he hates and constantly sing the praises of things he loves even if all the problems the former had the latter also possesses. To top all that off, he's often blindingly hypocritical, complaining about things other reviewers do and then going and doing those same things himself for instance.

Pretty much the only time I tune into his stuff these days is during Shlocktober and I wish he would do something like that the rest of the year as well.
 

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Yeesh, he said that? Sounds like he's way more of a jerk than I made him out to be just from his videos alone.
Yeah, and on his refusal to actively condemn harassment towards Gamergate supporters (i.e. harassment coming from his side) he said "If you lay down with dogs don't be surprised if you get fleas." keep in mind that there are Gamergate supporters who have been Doxxed, SWATted, had their workplace called and been fired, been threatened and in at least one case even assaulted. Failing to condemn these kinds of actions just because they're coming from "your side" (or coming from 3rd party trolls directed at "your enemy") is just... ugh.
Let's not pretend that this is not inherently accurate. All that
Ratty said:
I generally agree with the political values he espouses, but stopped following him and haven't been able to enjoy his work after he said "There are no bad tactics, only bad targets." on twitter. Which regardless of what you think of #Gamergate[footnote]It's NOT a hate group from what I've seen. In fact I've seen many more instances of doxxing, swatting and in one case even physical assault AGAINST Gamergaters only asking for journalistic reform.[/footnote] is the kind of statement one expects to hear from a literal fascist.

His stated goals may be good, but this mentality places him as part of a rising tide of people who dogpile harass individuals they disagree with for e-points rather than tackle the systemic causes of inequality. Which aside from being disgustingly hypocritcal [footnote]Apparently the scientist in #Shirtstorm was "asking for" his abuse because of what he was wearing- a shirt no one would have blinked at had it been worn by his female friend who designed it and gave it to him.[/footnote] hurts their own cause http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/18/feminism-rosetta-scientist-shirt-dapper-laughs-julien-blanc-inequality
Let's no pretend that this is not entirely accurate. For christ-sakes we as a society (in the US) have managed to embrace dropping a nuclear bomb on civilian targets because the target was sufficiently bad. Are you really claiming that there is no target bad enough to merit unwholesome tactics? Because as I see it that is just daft.
 

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josak said:
Let's no pretend that this is not entirely accurate. For christ-sakes we as a society (in the US) have managed to embrace dropping a nuclear bomb on civilian targets because the target was sufficiently bad. Are you really claiming that there is no target bad enough to merit unwholesome tactics? Because as I see it that is just daft.
What? I haven't embraced the bomb droppings on Japan. Which caused cancer in generations of innocent people. It's terrible to even think about it. But we're not talking about a "few" cases of harrassment from Bob's side he's refused to actively condemn. Here's a sample.



Remember all those messages are from the "social justice" warriors. Remember "No bad tactics, just bad targets." That one with the syringe? As I recall that was Anti-GGers sending a syringe to someone who was suicidal to encourage them to kill themselves. I had forgotten about that one.
 

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josak said:
Dude. Not cool.

Ratty said:
These posts have been showing up a lot lately and it drives me kind of nuts. Can everyone please avoid posting multiple images as one big one? I can't maximize them so if the post isn't too blurry to read, it's way too small.

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About Milo (I genuinely cannot remember his last name) getting a syringe, someone pointed out to me that shortly before the Gamergate fiasco he had written an article on the Scottish vote for independence. Unfortunately, he had compared all Scots to various things, amongst those comparisons were druggies.
 

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My view on gamergate is that everybody. anti or pro, has been infected with a madness-inducing disease.

On the original topic, I don't really like the accent he sometimes uses. Makes me think of a mixture of tweety bird and elmer fudd.

I also think he suffers from the problem of many critics where they get overexposed to commonly used tropes and start praising stuff for being more out there instead of doing what the average person would enjoy. (Why I think critics loved gone home while the average gamer hated it. Waaayyyy to artsy fartsy.)

EDIT: Also, I think he has a bit too much of nerd revenge fantasy in him for my liking. "Different tastes than mine then you are a dumb "bro"".

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Top right one in the image is particularly disgusting.
 

Elijah Newton

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Just throwing my hat into the ring in support of Bob.

I like that he takes the time to use a geographically neutral voice when he thinks it's important and think it's a hoot when he drops into Boston townie mode to make a point or change the tone of a discussion. I like that he takes the time to write about geek esoterica because while I'm interested in the "[Whatevers] Are Weird" themes part of my appreciation comes from getting the chance to learn about things without having to exhaustively read / view / research about them on my own. I like that he ties this kind of background information to a review or larger discussion because it reflects an awareness of what contributes to a game, or movie.

I don't know if this next thing is a post-gamergate trope or if I've just been picking up on it more recently but it seems like I read more and more on forums about people who expect reviews to be conducted without letting the reviewer's personal feelings get in the way. This is crazy talk. Writing reviews is inherently subjective, you can't evaluate an experience like it's a math problem with a binary solution. (Hey, whaddya think of Picasso? Well, he used too much blue; I'm going to have to dock him points for that, so?. 2/5? How 'bout Beethoven's Symphony No. 10? What, the pre-alpha release that had to get patched by Cooper - 1/5, he never finished the damned thing.) That's nuts. You review a painting, you write about how you feel when you look at it. You review music, you write about how you feel when you listen to it. A sharp reviewer puts in background information, personal and cultural, to support their claims for how they feel.

And you don't !@#$ing tell them they're wrong to feel a certain way. And they're not telling you how to feel when you look at or listen to a thing.

Look - I don't seriously think folks looking for objectivity are crazy. (though they are weirdly thin-skinned, sometimes). I think maybe what these people are looking for is a synopsis or a summary. Both are useful things but they are not reviews. Also, IMHO it's vastly less interesting to read 'comprised of over fifty separate fragments it features C-minor 6/8 Allegros" than "ZOMFG Ludwig Von blew my mind again because he makes stringed instruments sound like angels farting rainbows!". The first would be a synopsis, both true and objective. The second one is a review, is subjective, and paints a picture of the writer as much as the subject.

I don't expect perfect objectivity from people who review and / or provide opinion articles - which is what MovieBob does. What I do expect is an ability to write clearly enough to explain why they react in one way or another, and to do so consistently over time so I can build a mental map of where they are coming from when I read a review. While I usually agree with MovieBob, I don't always. I'm not bothered that our views don't mesh perfectly because even when we disagree I can see why he feels the way he does.
 

lunavixen

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I enjoy some of his content, but not all of it.

Moviebobs opinion as a whole is rather polarizing, much like Jim Sterling was (for different reasons), but for those that already think along the same sort of lines, it's not too bad. One thing that puts me off is how insulting, angry and aggressive he can get, especially on his social media feeds. Some of his content is too fanboyish or click-baity for me to want to look into it, but some of the older big picture videos, I happily watch.
 

PainInTheAssInternet

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Elijah Newton said:
I'm right there with you in how reviews are supposed to work. My bone to pick with him is his constant insulting of anyone who doesn't share his view. There's always someone he doesn't like and just has to insult, frequently people who enjoy what he has dubbed "Douchebag Cinema." As of late, he's become truly nasty towards gamergate, saying that he condones harassment against them. Note that I am most certainly not a supporter of the movement, but I can no longer separate his work from his personality for the same reason I wouldn't attend that chicken fast food restaurant. You can have all the opinions you like, but once you shove them out there in the public they almost have a duty to respond to it.
 

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PainInTheAssInternet said:
You can have all the opinions you like, but once you shove them out there in the public they almost have a duty to respond to it.
*blink blink* Good god. Did you just say the public is now duty-bound to respond to online opinions they disagree with?

What an exhausting proposition.
 

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Ratty said:
I generally agree with the political values he espouses, but stopped following him and haven't been able to enjoy his work after he said "There are no bad tactics, only bad targets." on twitter. Which regardless of what you think of #Gamergate[footnote]It's NOT a hate group from what I've seen. In fact I've seen many more instances of doxxing, swatting and in one case even physical assault AGAINST Gamergaters only asking for journalistic reform.[/footnote] is the kind of statement one expects to hear from a literal fascist.

His stated goals may be good, but this mentality places him as part of a rising tide of people who dogpile harass individuals they disagree with for e-points rather than tackle the systemic causes of inequality. Which aside from being disgustingly hypocritcal [footnote]Apparently the scientist in #Shirtstorm was "asking for" his abuse because of what he was wearing- a shirt no one would have blinked at had it been worn by his female friend who designed it and gave it to him.[/footnote] hurts their own cause http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/18/feminism-rosetta-scientist-shirt-dapper-laughs-julien-blanc-inequality
Bob believes that the ends justify the means.

It's a very dangerous why of thinking, especially ironic in this case as those he decries can, and often do, say exactly the same thing while they go about harassing and sending threats to his friends.

Bob isn't a better person than them, he's just on a different "side"
 

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I have to admit Movie Bob is very knowlegdable on Movies and Comic Books. He recommended Surrogate which was kinda terrible Which is were I began to doubt is awesomeness. And then he Released his infamous PC gaming is dead video. After that he stopped being worth my time
 

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I absolutely hate him.

He's not funny at all(bro),an intolerable social justice warrior,insults people that don't agree with him,can't stop going on and on about Amazing Spiderman 2 and Man of Steel and I would be overjoyed if he were to leave this site.
 

beastro

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His pure pop culture stuff is good. Once he touches on politics and the like his stuff turns to shit.
 

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josak said:
For christ-sakes we as a society (in the US) have managed to embrace dropping a nuclear bomb on civilian targets because the target was sufficiently bad.
No, it was because they refused to fucking surrender!

Even at that both cities were military targets, just ones near the bottom of the list.
 

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Elijah Newton said:
PainInTheAssInternet said:
You can have all the opinions you like, but once you shove them out there in the public they almost have a duty to respond to it.
*blink blink* Good god. Did you just say the public is now duty-bound to respond to online opinions they disagree with?

What an exhausting proposition.
Should have clarified. If you are a patron of an individual or an establishment and that individual/establishment makes their opinion on a subject very well-known and you become aware of it, you're practically obligated to react to it in some manner.
 

LittleJoeRambler

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Perhaps "obligated" is the wrong word, but even simply choosing to ignore something IS a reaction, as long as you're actively choosing to do so.

Besides, reacting to opinions with agreement, dissent or neutrality is... Well, discourse. There's nothing inherently wrong with it until you decide that individuals are more worthy targets than the ideas they espouse.
 

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How i rate Escapist contributors
1. Yahtzee
2. Jim Fucking Sterling son
3. The guys Who do Critical Miss
4. MovieBob
5. Hole where everyone else goes

MovieBob isn't my favorite contributor but he does make some of the content i come back to this website for Occasionally he does thing's I'm not fond of (Schlocktober, Whatever the E3 thing was) but his movie reviews are insightful for me and I like "The Big Picture" quite a lot.
 

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Dark Knifer said:
So Moviebob on the escapist has a very large presence in terms of the amount of content he produces. He's constantly in the news section, writes a lot of different reviews and of course has the big picture but he's also been a bit of a dividing figure among the community, at least from what I've seen.

So I thought I might see what everyone thinks of him, what they like don't like etc. Oh and don't forgetting insulting contributors gets you in trouble so lets keep it civil... Please?

Personally, I enjoy him sometimes and sometimes not but generally I know what to avoid. For one I don't enjoy marvel movies so that's an easy thing to avoid but I have found him insightful on occasions and I enjoy his history lessons on various 'geek' things that have happened from before my time but I think his anger gets the best of him at times but that's more his twitter then here, though its been known to happen.

EDIT: Think the top option has dun goofed. It was meant to be "He's my favorite contributor" I'll try to edit it.
I thoroughly enjoy most of his work. I definitely don't always agree with him, but fortunately that is not a prerequisite for me enjoying his reviews and opinion pieces.