Poll: Dog Torture vs. Rapist

[vodkafairy]

Have you ever seen Kobe's wife? Have you read the figures he was pulling in from ads at the time of the rape?
I'm subjective on the matter, sure, but would you rape an ugly broad in a motel room when you stand to lose millions of dollars a year in endorsement deals and probably a sizzling hot wife to boot? Doesn't sound logical to me. What does sound logical is the girl had consensual sex with Kobe then tried to get some money out of it. The fact that she changed her statement several times just makes it that much more believable.

 

[Defense]

They were just dogs? Since when did a human become so much more valuable than a animal?

Since when was an animal close to the worth of a human?

They have always been of equal worth. But some people (read: idiots) like to claim humans are somehow inherently worth more for some bullshit reason.
I value animal life and human life the same until they prove they are worth less. (eg: Dog attacking random people for no reason. Human hurting others for fun)

So if a truck was about to hit a dog and a human, you'd have trouble deciding which one to save?

 

[Chicago Ted]

Have you ever seen Kobe's wife? Have you read the figures he was pulling in from ads at the time of the rape?
I'm subjective on the matter, sure, but would you rape an ugly broad in a motel room when you stand to lose millions of dollars a year in endorsement deals and probably a sizzling hot wife to boot? Doesn't sound logical to me. What does sound logical is the girl had consensual sex with Kobe then tried to get some money out of it. The fact that she changed her statement several times just makes it that much more believable.

Rape isn't strictly about the sexual aspect, but about the domination behind it as well. Who's to say that was not what he was after and that that was what he was trying to fill?

I've only skimmed that case, but to be fair as well, you have to look at how imbalanced it was from the start anyways. From what I understand, it would essentially have boiled down into a "He says, She says" kinda deal and that certain evidence, and not circumstancial stuff would have been very difficult to produce. In that case, the celebrity that has millions, is either going to A)Pay the victim off so everything is forgotten about, or B) Hire the best damn legal team they can get so the charges can be screwed.

 

[Innegativeion]

I'd tend to dislike the rapist more, but yeah, innocent until proven guilty. These cases are incomparable.

 

[Grey_Focks]

Even if it was entirely true that Kobe raped the woman, Vick has abused far more lives than Kobe.

Okay, I'm trying to think of a polite way to put this, but nothing is really coming to mind so here goes-

They're just fucking dogs. I love my dog a lot, he's a fantastic friend, but he's still just that, a dog. Even comparing rape to animal cruelty isn't like comparing apples to oranges, it's like comparing a super-soaker to an Ak-47. Yes, losing a dog is terrible, but it sure as hell beats getting raped any day. Hell, even a thousand dead/tortured dogs is better than one innocent person getting raped. By a goddam mile.

OT: I see what you did there, but since Kobe was never committed (though he did essentially confess after the fact, the smug bastard) it isn't really the same thing, and all the public will likely remember is that he wasn't convicted.

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If you're not trolling...seriously, don't trivialize rape. It's something people never fully get over, and it's baggage they carry for the rest of their lives. Don't compare it too animal cruelty. Just don't.

 

[Valkaris]

at least the dogs died, a woman has to live with that for the rest of her life.

 

[Laxman9292]

*SNIP*

Those covers WERE NOT chosen by the fans. It was chosen by the developer because he is unfortunately the best player currently in the NBA.

But still no one was making a big fuss about him being on it. Regardless of who chose it no one really complained. If EA had just chosen Vick because, rather than this poll, it would have been the same thing I wager. Michael Vick is one of the best players currently in the NFL.

 

[KR-105]

There's a lot of people complaining about violence in video games, fictional violence in most of the cases, but when the violence is real you, americans, want to glorify it.
OP I find your argument poorly elaborated, the main issue here is that no criminal should appear as paradigm for young people, and not a comparison of the gravity of crimes. In the end a crime is a crime and a criminal should be punished and no rewarded, Ok he spent his time in jail for what he did, but is too soon to just forget about it, he has yet to prove that he really has changed, and that can't be achived just catching and throwing a ball.

 

[Zaik]

Cause people care more about animals than people they don't know.

Also because women throw around the word rape so often that it just sounds like a noise, and dog noises are cuter than woman noises, which are shrill and agitating. Also everyone has heard over 9000 stories about women calling buyer's remorse rape, or just outright making it up and crying a river when called to explain how she got raped by someone who was 500 miles away that entire week.

 

[Grey_Focks]

... The entire thread is about comparing animal cruelty to rape. What thread are you reading brother?

technically it's about comparing people's reactions to pro-athletes who commit heinous crimes continuing to appear on video game covers, the title really just seems like it was meant to attract attention, since that certainly wasn't the poll question. If it was, this thread would have been closed pretty quickly. The only one's who I've seen insinuate that the two crimes are at all comparable are you and the other gentleman I quoted.

 

[Icaruss]

Vick's a prick who will get buried behind his shitty O-line next season and if their any justice in the world (doubtful) will be Tied to a wooden stake covered in BBQ sauce and Ripped to fething shreds by a pack of Demonic Fething wolves.But I always thought the Bryant case was he said she said.The ah rothisburger(The steeler QB)

 

[Hairetos]

Forced someone to have sex with him

Fight dogs til they die.

Yeah, even if Kobe were convicted, the animal abuse here is much worse.

 

[Canid117]

Wait, was Kobe ever convicted of rape?

No and as I recall the evidence was very dubious. Is he a great guy? Not really, he did cheat on his wife but is he a rapist? I highly doubt it. The conviction of Vick was pretty damn solid.

 

[thedeathscythe]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

OT: I think that it's EA's game, and they can put whoever they want on the cover. I think that if they decide to use purely their talent at the sport, then that's fine. I also think that if they take into account that person's character, then that's also fine. Personally, I don't care that he did that in regards to him being on the cover of a game that I will not buy. If people are so offended by him being on the cover, speak with your wallet and don't buy the game. I work in a retail store and every day I see customers speak with their wallet, either for or against a product. You would be surprised the message that can be received when we haven't sold a single pair of shoes for any given style.

 

[Defense]

So if a truck was about to hit a dog and a human, you'd have trouble deciding which one to save?

No. No trouble whatsoever. The answer would be neither. Cause the most important life to me is my own. And I aint about to jump in front of a truck putting my ass in danger for either of them.

I meant it to be a completely hypothetical situation, where you could save one and get away without a scratch.

 

[duchaked]

I don't wanna undermine the severity of dogfighting as a crime, but I wouldn't consider it to be a crime that Vick should NEVAR EVAR be forgiven for (and by forgiven I don't mean you gotta like him, but everyone seems intent on lynching him here).

He's been punished and has moved on from it, and while that doesn't mean I or anyone should just ignore his past crime forever, it doesn't mean we should hold it against him forever. Especially when it's in the context of sports and the ability to play (such as this with the being on the cover and all or whatnot).

 

[duchaked]

Forced someone to have sex with him

Fight dogs til they die.

Yeah, even if Kobe were convicted, the animal abuse here is much worse.

erm...not talking about anyone in particular here, but I'd say rape is pretty darn bad. it's up there for me

 

[Grey_Focks]

Forced someone to have sex with him

Fight dogs til they die.

Yeah, even if Kobe were convicted, the animal abuse here is much worse.

Please, PLEASE tell me that you're being sarcastic, or trolling, or whatever the kids call it these days. If not, then I'm sorry, but you have a fucked up set of ideals.

 

[godfist88]

no, he's a freak.

 

[Hairetos]

Forced someone to have sex with him

Fight dogs til they die.

Yeah, even if Kobe were convicted, the animal abuse here is much worse.

Please, PLEASE tell me that you're being sarcastic, or trolling, or whatever the kids call it these days. If not, then I'm sorry, but you have a fucked up set of ideals.

Nope, totally serious.

Yeah, rape's bad, probably the most traumatic thing most people who experience have ever gone through.

They didn't die and weren't forced to kill other people.