- Mar 19, 2010
I've been waiting for someone to bring this to light; To wave this torch. I could not have said this better myself. Rarely do I 100% agree with another's view. This is one of those cases.
Being a feminist does not mean you aren't allowed to be anything else. You can stick up for any and all people you want and be a feminist.Spacemonkey430 said:What I don't get is why all these feminists who supposedly are out to champion the cause of "equality" which is "supposed" to apply to everyone, don't take up the position of egalitarian. The beauty of it is unlike feminism doesn't confine itself to women. You're out to give everybody a fair shake. Men, women, and everybody else who identifies as anything else. The problem is that it would require the people who are active in it to be genuine about it. No more "empowering" one group by putting down another. No more being selfish, having your cake and eating it too. You can stick up for women's rights, the societal expectations placed on men, freedom for trans people to identify and live their lives however they choose.
So... from what you're saying I'm getting the feeling that this is a complicated issue.... >.> lol in which case I won't burden you too much further with my ridiculous musings.thaluikhain said:-snip-
Woah. It sounds like you have some issues that need to be resolved, much like this man's girlfriend. Perhaps you should both consider therapy, her for her depression, and you for that aggression right there. You shouldn't shame anyone like that for acting how they are programmed, you should break them of it through other means, such as therapy (for depression, anger, violence).DementedSheep said:What the hell? not all of us women (in fact very very few and I only say that because there is always someone somewhere) are stupid blubbery messes who cry over who wore the same shit and if she bitches and moans so much she can't even walk the dog when she had a bad day that sounds like an issue with her specifically.Here Comes Tomorrow said:It depends on the issue really.
Men generally are expected to be the stronger sex, but thats because we are. Not saying we don't have feelings, but we won't get anywhere as a society if we all go around being big blubbery messes because Phil wore the same shirt to the office today.
Yes, men need support for stuff like suicide, domestic abuse, rape. We also need our rights as a part of raising a child recognized.
My girlfriend is a feminist, but recognizes the need for gender roles, because if shes having a bad day, if I let her mood ruinine we'd just ***** and moan at each other and then the dogs wouldn't get walked. And if the dogs don't get walked then they shit and piss all over the house, then we're in a bad mood and there's shit and piss all over everything.
And that is an apt metaphore for the whole situation. Someone has to suck it up and get on with things, or it'll all get covered in shit. And piss.
Personally I'm all for ramping up the shame for women who are like that instead of making them think its ok because their just a women and women are expected to be pathetic. It should not be encourage or supported.
Edit: fixes, I suck at typing on this thing.
Well, excepting that those are things that feminists talk about all the time.Jarek Mace said:This is a battle of Nature and Nurture, but it seems that Feminist moves don't seem to want to address that fact. You can claim "Hey! There are more male CEO's! Sexism! Outrage! Misogny!" all whilst ignoring the fact that there are more female support workers and nursery workers, more male dustbin men, more male police officers, slightly more female customer service desk workers.