Poll: EVE all flash no substance?

[almo]

Playing EVE for 2 hours your first time is like... unbuttoning just the top button on your girlfriend's shirt then leaving her for the TV.

I don't know what's your girlfriend like (...most likely you lack one judging by that post) but unbuttoning the top button of my girlfriend's shirt gets me pretty excited and interested in what comes next, not to mention it's a rather enjoyable experience by itself.

EVE doesn't get me excited. The only things in EVE that look good are the concept art and the trailers. And the trailers ALWAYS look good, specially when they're entirely made of pre-rendered cinematics. The actual game has as much to do with it's trailers as I have with Neil Armstrong... I suppose we're both human beings, much like eve and it's trailers are both in the same general settings... But past that they have nothing in common.

Off topic, my wife is pretty hot.

On topic, many people I've shown EVE get excited when I give them the quick 15-minute tour at my computer. I show them what's going on, my corp's spreadsheets, my (slow for its type) interceptor speeding around at 3 km/s, and the markets.

My point was that if you just do the first button, you're missing a whole lot. Like there's what... 4 more buttons at least? That's just getting started. Maybe you're capable of evaluating the entire ensuing experience just from the first button. I'm not. It's only the very breifest taste of what's to come, and to stop there is really missing the point.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

Playing EVE for 2 hours your first time is like... unbuttoning just the top button on your girlfriend's shirt then leaving her for the TV.

I don't know what's your girlfriend like (...most likely you lack one judging by that post) but unbuttoning the top button of my girlfriend's shirt gets me pretty excited and interested in what comes next, not to mention it's a rather enjoyable experience by itself. Which is the exact polar opposite of EVE.

EVE doesn't get me excited. The only things in EVE that look good are the concept art and the trailers. And the trailers ALWAYS look good, specially when they're entirely made of pre-rendered cinematics. The actual game has as much to do with it's trailers as I have with Neil Armstrong... I suppose we're both human beings, much like eve and it's trailers are both in the same general settings... But past that they have nothing in common.

PRE-RENDERED CINEMATICS?!??!?!?!?!? ALL THE TRAILERS ARE FROM THE GAME'S ENGINE!! You must have just played the classic version. There's a classic version and a premium version. The trailers are created using the premium client, they aren't pre-rendered. And massive battles happen all the time, they're just in 0.0 sec, lawless space. Anything goes there. If a newbie on a trial account tries to go into nullsec, they'll get podded the second they get into low sec. There are massive battles with hundreds of ships fighting each other, massive motherships and carriers, sometimes a titan or two, but they're fought by massive alliances. The massive 2000-4000 player alliances are constantly fighting over territory and resources. Don't expect to see any of that stuff in the first 2 hours though, you won't see it in the first week or two. It takes months to get that far. EVE is a game that requires patience so if all you want is a quick fix, go with WoW. If you want something that has depth, play EVE.

 

[Caliostro]

Off topic, my wife is pretty hot.

And you don't get anything from her unbuttoning even if a single button? Off course "the best is still to come", but if your wife had a huge whole in her chest around the area of the first button you wouldn't be crazy to think she wouldn't be so hot... That's EVE. EVE's "first button" opens your view to a giant cancer...

On topic, many people I've shown EVE get excited when I give them the quick 15-minute tour at my computer. I show them what's going on, my corp's spreadsheets, my (slow for its type) interceptor speeding around at 3 km/s, and the markets.

My point was that if you just do the first button, you're missing a whole lot. Like there's what... 4 more buttons at least? That's just getting started. Maybe you're capable of evaluating the entire ensuing experience just from the first button. I'm not. It's only the very breifest taste of what's to come, and to stop there is really missing the point.

Well, maybe it's just different concepts of fun... But to me, spreadsheets are quite possibly the most boring thing on earth, more so than watching paint dry and I'm totally serious... Another thing that's incredibly boring is "markets"... If I wanted spreadsheets and markets I would be studying economics and would make money out of it...

That said there's absolutely no sense of speed in EVE, every system looks relatively the same (unlike Freelancer), the interface is less intuitive than trying to use Microsoft Access without any computer experience and with both your eyes closed and your right hand sawed off, and the combat is about as exciting as... Well, spreadsheets really, since that's what it comes down to...

If you have fun with it more power to you but to me it causes my brain to collapse into itself from boredom.

It's a game for the kind of people who like the exact things I despise in MMOs and RTSs - Boring grind and tedious micromanagement.

 

[Robert0288]

My advice to anyone who wants to play eve. This is not a solo game, unless you like to grind npcs or mine 24/7. If you want to experiance whats going on, join a corporation (sort of like a guild) They will help you along, give advice, teach, usually give you gear to start off, help on mission ect...

Graphics in trailer where NOT pre-rendered, I personally have been apart of, led and FRAPs'd much larger battles than what they've done on the trailer.

Also unlike most MMOs EVE's learning curve is much more like a learning cliff. Although that has gotten 100x better than even 2 years ago.

For you doubters 'n00bs can't do anything' crowd, within 1 day you can have the skills to tackle a multi billion isk battleship and be a vital member to your corp/alliance/pirates buddies.

 

[Theo Samaritan]

I wish to apologise for Eipok, he is by no means the epitome of EVE players =/

 

[Caliostro]

PRE-RENDERED CINEMATICS?!??!?!?!?!? ALL THE TRAILERS ARE FROM THE GAME'S ENGINE!! You must have just played the classic version. There's a classic version and a premium version. The trailers are created using the premium client, they aren't pre-rendered. And massive battles happen all the time, they're just in 0.0 sec, lawless space. Anything goes there. If a newbie on a trial account tries to go into nullsec, they'll get podded the second they get into low sec. There are massive battles with hundreds of ships fighting each other, massive motherships and carriers, sometimes a titan or two, but they're fought by massive alliances. The massive 2000-4000 player alliances are constantly fighting over territory and resources. Don't expect to see any of that stuff in the first 2 hours though, you won't see it in the first week or two. It takes months to get that far. EVE is a game that requires patience so if all you want is a quick fix, go with WoW. If you want something that has depth, play EVE.

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Grammar Nazism aside, I know the game has similar graphics, blablabla, but that's a cinematic. That SPECIFIC scene didn't happen. It's a carefully directed scene to look good.

And massive battles happen all the time, they're just in 0.0 sec, lawless space. Anything goes there. If a newbie on a trial account tries to go into nullsec, they'll get podded the second they get into low sec. There are massive battles with hundreds of ships fighting each other, massive motherships and carriers, sometimes a titan or two, but they're fought by massive alliances. The massive 2000-4000 player alliances are constantly fighting over territory and resources.

And despite all of that, and indeed due to reasons mentioned in the previous post I see no reason to repeat, it still manages to be fucking boring...

If you want something that is mind numbingly boring, play EVE.

Fixed.

Sorry but I see games like Portal, Bioshock, System Shock, etc, as games with depth...EVE is simple. Extremely and excessively complicated in it's interface but shockingly easy in it's core: Grind and spreadsheets.

To me a game has depth when it makes me think. EVE doesn't make me think, it makes my brain die.

Don't get me wrong though, I hate WoW just as much... The only thing WoW has better is the interface... Nothing is quite as atrocious as EVE's interface...

 

[almo]

Well, maybe it's just different concepts of fun... But to me, spreadsheets are quite possibly the most boring thing on earth, more so than watching paint dry and I'm totally serious... Another thing that's incredibly boring is "markets"... If I wanted spreadsheets and markets I would be studying economics and would make money out of it...

That's why I said I'm not the best person to consult about fighting since I like the business side of the game. There are people who do nothing but fight. I like them, since they are willing to pay a premium to get their gear and go.

 

[Caliostro]

Well, maybe it's just different concepts of fun... But to me, spreadsheets are quite possibly the most boring thing on earth, more so than watching paint dry and I'm totally serious... Another thing that's incredibly boring is "markets"... If I wanted spreadsheets and markets I would be studying economics and would make money out of it...

That's why I said I'm not the best person to consult about fighting since I like the business side of the game. There are people who do nothing but fight. I like them, since they are willing to pay a premium to get their gear and go.

If, unlike me, business is what you're looking for then I do bet this game is amazing. It does create a very dynamic "player-run" market system, from what I understand, and has a micromanagement side to it as well.

Just not my thing.


On a lighter note: I bet whenever you see a "PVP-only" player you just see money signs instead of the texture for his ship don't you? lol.

 

[almo]

Well, maybe it's just different concepts of fun... But to me, spreadsheets are quite possibly the most boring thing on earth, more so than watching paint dry and I'm totally serious... Another thing that's incredibly boring is "markets"... If I wanted spreadsheets and markets I would be studying economics and would make money out of it...

That's why I said I'm not the best person to consult about fighting since I like the business side of the game. There are people who do nothing but fight. I like them, since they are willing to pay a premium to get their gear and go.

If, unlike me, business is what you're looking for then I do bet this game is amazing. It does create a very dynamic "player-run" market system, from what I understand, and has a micromanagement side to it as well.

Just not my thing.


On a lighter note: I bet whenever you see a "PVP-only" player you just see money signs instead of the texture for his ship don't you? lol.

Like the scene in Lord of War when he hears the cash register for each shot some guy is firing from a machine gun.

Well, sort of. We don't make ammo; we make ships.

 

[Caliostro]

Like the scene in Lord of War when he hears the cash register for each shot some guy is firing from a machine gun.

Well, sort of. We don't make ammo; we make ships.

Lord of War is epic.

And yeah, except you hear it for every time someone takes a hit

 

[Singing Gremlin]

On a lighter note: I bet whenever you see a "PVP-only" player you just see money signs instead of the texture for his ship don't you? lol.

No, I see a flashy red thing that makes me soil myself and emit a piteous wailing.

 

[nikomas1]

Like the scene in Lord of War when he hears the cash register for each shot some guy is firing from a machine gun.

Well, sort of. We don't make ammo; we make ships.

Lord of War is epic.

And yeah, except you hear it for every time someone takes a hit

Hits = money sounds and then the explosion translates into a big JACKPOT! sign?

But I think I'll try that game again, But since I'm not not the most social player I think I'll have a hard time.

 

[Lacolo]

Sorry but I see games like Portal, Bioshock, System Shock, etc, as games with depth...EVE is simple. Extremely and excessively complicated in it's interface but shockingly easy in it's core: Grind and spreadsheets.

Wow, good job comparing games from different genres there.

By that logic, Bioshock and System Shock would at its core be just as simple: Shoot enemies, get XP.

 

[number2301]

Eve is deep, but the massive flaw which made me quit (apart from my addictive nature) was that battles come down to simple arithmetic. Well I say simple, it's your typical RPG fare of being able to deal more damage per second/minute/whatever than your opponents can regenerate and vice versa, but how you get there isn't simple at all. The depth is in the variety of ways you can load out your ship with multiple ways to increase either damage dealt or defensive capabilities.

Vendetta online might be a better bet for people who like actual proper combat, you know where battles aren't decided before they've begun, where a good move or skill count for more than spending hours pouring over stat sheets.

The business, crafting, economy, mining etc in Eve are brilliant though if you're into that kind of thing. Personally that felt a bit like a job as Yahtzee put it, but I think if I ever play a game like this again I'll avoid the compulsion to be looking at what I can do with the next level up and instead concentrate on fun things to do at my current level!

 

[Rosszul]

Personally, I enjoyed the game, even though I only had the 14-day trial. I liked the combat system where you could be fighting multiple opponents(and maybe even mining). The quests did repeat themselves sometimes, but I made 20(which is a lot) just in the trial, albeit I did just get lucky. >_>

 

[Blind0bserver]

I think we can come to an agreement here that EVE does have quite a bit of substance, but the problem is that most people can't get the most out of it in the 14-day trial and are reluctant to give it a try beyond that.

 

[number2301]

And that the substance will be boring to a lot of people, especially people who like action orientated games.

 

[Caliostro]

I think we can come to an agreement here that EVE does have quite a bit of substance, but the problem is that most people can't get the most out of it in the 14-day trial and are reluctant to give it a try beyond that.

Straw man argument.

If you like the micro management of an RTS and the grind of an MMO then it's a good game. If, like me, you think this creates the most boring game ever to be built and you'd rather look for action and/or skill based gameplay and/or story, then it's a hunk of fecal matter.

Substance though... Just about as much as any other MMO: Not really... It's all about spreadsheets/accounting...And patience I suppose... lots and lots of patience...

 

[onizero]

I played eve for about 2 years, I would have to say that Yahtzee hit the nail right on the head with his review. the game has a lot of content but no real context. ( and dont call the off line novela fiction context, cause it aint) game play is slow, if you wake up from a sleepy haze of doing nothing just in time to get whacked at a gate with no possible way of defending your self you are set back 6 months. and although the unizerse is big it really lacks any substance since all you do is warp around to waypoints.

eve is a game to runn in the background while doing your home work, its a cool experiment in economics, its even a a pretty screen saver if you have a great system to run it on. but i wouldnt call it a good game, id probubly call it a boring game.

id like to add that if it takes 2 years to fully explore a game only to find out it suck, not only does it suck, but it also sucks balls. dont get me wrong, i commend ccp for being creative, and alot of work went in to eve. its just a great idea implemented poorly.

 

[Singing Gremlin]

eve is a game to runn in the background while doing your home work, its a cool experiment in economics, its even a a pretty screen saver if you have a great system to run it on. but i wouldnt call it a good game, id probubly call it a boring game.

A boring game you played for two years? But you're right that Yahtzee was mostly right. But then playing without joining a corp is choosing not to have fun.

Straw man argument.

If you like the micro management of an RTS and the grind of an MMO then it's a good game. If, like me, you think this creates the most boring game ever to be built and you'd rather look for action and/or skill based gameplay and/or story, then it's a hunk of fecal matter.

Substance though... Just about as much as any other MMO: Not really... It's all about spreadsheets/accounting...And patience I suppose... lots and lots of patience...

No, what he said is true. MOST people can't get past the free trial. Which means that many would like it if they made an effort and properly got into it. Of course, it would still be boring as hell for many others. But it's not a strawman argument!

And people just don't understand the involvement of EvE, seriously. I get that you don't like it, and that's perfectly reasonable but a lot of what you're saying really isn't true, it's just how you see it. And it kinda starts to grate.