matthew_lane said:
i'm sorry vault, but no. Of course women are self entitlited... They had over a hundred thousand years of evolutionary psychology behind there self entitlement & with pretty good reason: Because it was vital for there survival as individuals & ours as a species. Heck same group preference alone is well established by both evoultionary psychologists and biologists... Heck we still see it in species which still function under the tournament model of social behaviour (silver backs & ridge backs for instance).
oh look...more pseudo science bullshit
I don't belive as a whole women are more self entitled than men...all people are self entitled in one way or another
if your a minority OR if you feel your not being treated right then making yourself heard or taking action is not self entitlment...though mabye it seem slike self entitlment to people who (lets face it) have alot of thing geared towards them (as in most entertainment..is geared towards white males first and foremost..though it is still very general)
[quote/]Its also the reason why every single article you will see about women in geek culture are always, without fail about women being victims, men being monsters & making a big deal about modest accomplishments of women like they had just succeeded in fighting off some sort of monsterous conspiracy.[/quote]
your just exagerating now, if you honestly think that women think "men are monsters" by default or are that serious then youve got the wrong end of the stick..its typical really...
[quote/]Sure & if i get out of bed today i may step on a bug which cause a chain reaction & will cause mutant flying pigs by the end of the day. See what you just did is called pleading the question, its a logical fallacy where you declare something possible & therefore occuring. Its essentially a presuppositional statement, but stated as a possibility, rather then a certainty, as to sound more reasonable: It is not reasonable.[/quote]
oh for fucks sake...its damn well true...ask anyone
I;m not saying it ALWAYS happens or its some epidemic but its pretty frigging clear if spend any reasonable time on the internetz its a thing...even a common thing
[quote/]Except they can't get away with there shit, which is why we are having this discussion: Remember how this topic is about people getting sick of the pretenders who pretend to be geeky & how people are getting geek checked? That would be the self correcting mechanism we are using so these people CANT get away with this shit
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what? now you saying it ALWAYS happens that way? (kind of reminds me of that "logical fallacy" you just pointed out)
no, there are nerds out there who do nothing but encourage that kind of crap, just as there are the ones who dont/hate it....
thats kind of like me sayign EVEYONE loves mass effect which I know isnt true at all
[quote/]Booth babes aren't part of geek culture, any more then you invite your couch over to watch the big screen tv. They are the furniture, the accoutrements of the culture, kind of like dice, beta releases of games & booth owners with hearts full of broken dreams.[/quote]
they kind of are in that they are a "thing" (and a controversial thing) related to conventions, and for every person who dissaporves theres always the ones who will leer and gwak at teh booth babes, but who knows..they may very well become obsolete
[quote/]/facepalm. What you just did was call for a negative coralary, please don't do that. The burden of proof for your position is on you, not on the people who are opposing the validty of your world view. Burden of proof is always on the person making the positive assertion, because until you plead your case, with actual data, your opposition cannot refute that data (because you have not provided it).
As for asking some women, thats not reliable data: any group with an invested interst in there own group preference is not going to yield any valid data, but a group with invested interst in there own group preference & a social narrative of poor us, being victimised by them big bad menz, is most assuredly not going to yield any real results.[/quote]
my point was you seem to compeltly reject the Idea that gender has ANY bearing on how females are treated in the "geek culutre" which I call BS....aksing females may not be as legit as a survey but you may get some Idea of how soem have been treated...
[quote/]I see you added /sarcasm to your statement there, but honestly if you go through how many times you've immediately assumed that its an attack, i think you'll find that you could probably remove the /sarcasm section.[/quote]
if somone says to me "what games do you like?" as not only small talk but also a way of sussing me out then its not an attack...
if somone outright acussed me of being a poser then its an attack
[quote/]Except that if the person is a pretender, they should be called out. An if you can do me a favour, just go back and reread the above statement: "girls don;t like games." In a single sentence you have moved from someone calling out a pontential pretender, to it being an attack on "girls." Note the S at the end of the word "girl," this S makes the word girl go from being a singular entity to a plural group.
Remember when i said in my intial statement that women in our society are so predominately self entitled that they mistake an attack on pretenders who are "A" woman to be an attack on all women? Thats what you just did. This is "same group preference" i was talking about & its what you just tried to do by straw-manning the topic with your above quote.[/quote]
the reason I am talking about girls alone is because your under the Idea that women are entitled by nature and (as I said) your convinced that ebing female has nothing to do with it...that guys have NO preconceptions in regards to how they veiw a girl and weather or not they think shes a real geek or not
that all this us "us girls being all entitled" which is what I'm arguing against
[quote/]Except its not pointless, or without reason. Have you heard of memetic theory? Meme theory holds that some ideas are like a virus infecting people who then become carriers, passing it on to others. When this happens with a medium, or popular brand it runs away like wildfire, usually making something huge, before it collapses. An after it collapses, the people who were infected with the meme look back on there previous infection with derision and embarrasment.
An now its geek chic` that is popular... An so thats why we geek check. Consider geek checking the auto-immune system of our particualr interest groups.[/quote]
you cant stop things from being popular, you can get as angry as you want about "fakes" but it will change nothing
sub cultures can prevail...regardless of their fall from populaity amongst the mainstream
