Poll: Father in rural Germany finds his young son likes to wear dresses; does the same to show solidarity.
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And why is the first thought that pops up into my head the Lumberjack song that Monty Python made?
I feel like most of us would let this kid wear dresses in theory, but in reality we might lean more towards making sure he doesn't get made fun of. Of course, I'd like to believe that I would say "son, be who you want to be and don't let anyone tell you different," but I'm not sure I could take the expected name-calling and abuse directed at him.
Brilliant! That's a great dad.
I don't know why people are so concerned about this. He's a young child that prefers a particular piece of clothing, end of story. When he grows older he might start wearing other things, but to a five year old, it's all mostly the same thing, and they have no concept of any bias that society makes up to feel more important. He's not concerned, so no one else should be. When he gets older, and all of these bullshit unspoken 'rules' become clear to him, he'll probably start wearing different clothes.
This is why I like children. The world is so much simpler and friendlier. Then you grow up, and suddenly there's things you can or cannot do according to the unspoken law of 'morality' and 'socialism'.
But for now, dresses are probably more fun to play in. And that's all a five year old kid is, and probably should be, concerned about.
I don't know why people are so concerned about this. He's a young child that prefers a particular piece of clothing, end of story. When he grows older he might start wearing other things, but to a five year old, it's all mostly the same thing, and they have no concept of any bias that society makes up to feel more important. He's not concerned, so no one else should be. When he gets older, and all of these bullshit unspoken 'rules' become clear to him, he'll probably start wearing different clothes.
This is why I like children. The world is so much simpler and friendlier. Then you grow up, and suddenly there's things you can or cannot do according to the unspoken law of 'morality' and 'socialism'.
But for now, dresses are probably more fun to play in. And that's all a five year old kid is, and probably should be, concerned about.
I think that father deserves a pat on the back at the very least, not only is he allowing his son to wear what he wants to wear, the dad is wearing it too so his son doesn't look so out of place. Even if I wanted to I can't say anything to the contrary, more than half of my clothes are mens clothes.
The only reason the kid should ever be sat down and explained upon regarding why dresses are an unusual thing for a boy to wear is to prepare him for dealing with the moronic fuckwits who would make a whole "issue" out of it.
The only problem I can find with it is a distinct lack of pockets.
The only problem I can find with it is a distinct lack of pockets.
Despite me being slightly insulting and confrontational at least youre rather polite. Legitimately i can kinda see where you are coming from with the idea of "Why SHOULDNT i perfect my body when i work so hard on my mind, why accept that i only get one?" and have been thinking this way for some time. Ill give this a look.JeffBergGold said:
Oh, this is acceptable (And widely expected) though:Boudica said:Who cares? "Oh no, you shouldn't be wearing that bit of fabric that way!" Pfft. Some cultures are so painfully stupid.
Personally, I think this guy is really deserving of the "Worlds best dad title" because I'm sure not many people would be willing to do this, or rather take the option of telling your kid "That isn't normal". Props to this guy.
Now THAT is a father. Helping his kid as much as he can during the most crucial years of the little guy's development.
If you look at me, you'll see the creepy dude who has 7 times the same model of pants, one for each day of the week, like a uniform. (and yes, like Pee-Wee Herman *HA-HA-HaW* fr@kk you!) Point is, who am I to tell people what to wear?
I think that conformity has to be taught again. Not to mold people into drones, just as a common ground. If nothing else, for those who don't crave to tell the whole damn world who they are. Is it wrong to fit in? Can't we be equal-but-differnt? I mean roles are one thing, but a dress code is another.
Personally, I believe that 5 years old is too young to pick your own clothes.
That sort of thing comes later in life as a way of expressing who you are and what first impression you want to give. That's just me, but he'd dress with the clothes I get him until he's 18 or convinces me otherwise.
I think that conformity has to be taught again. Not to mold people into drones, just as a common ground. If nothing else, for those who don't crave to tell the whole damn world who they are. Is it wrong to fit in? Can't we be equal-but-differnt? I mean roles are one thing, but a dress code is another.
Personally, I believe that 5 years old is too young to pick your own clothes.
That sort of thing comes later in life as a way of expressing who you are and what first impression you want to give. That's just me, but he'd dress with the clothes I get him until he's 18 or convinces me otherwise.
My country's age of consent is 16 too, but what the hell does that have to do with anything? We reach adulthood at 18 - when you get to 16 you can fuck, drink and start motorcycle driving lessons but we're legally considered children. And children still need their parents to give consent to everything except the part about drinking and sexing.EightGaugeHippo said:
Oh, yeah, I shaved my face today. It's grey, blonde and ginger already, because it grows back. At age 16 you have to go wax, laser or be really late into puberty to not look creepy in a dress.
*applauds* Oh my god, I love Eddie Izzard. He looks better in a dress than I do. I'm sure that's true of a lot of men.Penguinis Weirdus said:
As to the OP, wearing a dress as a man is only wrong in some cultures. As has been pointed out, the Scots wear kilts. Greek and Roman males wore long, flowy garments such as togas. African males wear long, flowy garments. I think it's high time people chill the eff out and wear what they want.
Now I really want to see a market for men's dresses. You know, with manly patterns like camo and ... monster trucks, or Super Hero logos. With utility pockets. Somehow this could be flipped around and dresses could become the manliest man thing, with the right marketing.
1. If he's hell bent on wanting to wear dresses, who am I to stop him? I can't say I'd wear a dress as well though. Not because I'd be embarrassed for wearing women's clothing, I just don't think I have a suitable body type for them. Cause, hell, if I'm going to wear women's clothing I want to look hot in them damn it.BiscuitTrouser said:
2. I certainly would have to explain "Double consciousness". It's only fair to him to explain the current lay of the land as it were, and how people will judge him for his decisions. I may also take him to a child psychologist just to be certain he does indeed simply like wearing a dress and not possible transgendered. Not that there is anything wrong with a person being transgendered, but if he is I want to be aware and be able to help him with that.
3, I certainly don't agree with forcing a gender role, but I'd say it's a particularly safe bet to start them out in them and then change according to a child's personality as it develops.
Well yes but that's not what I meant. What I meant there are plenty of people who choose to cross-dress, It's not like the kid would be a Social pariah.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Okay, so when my hypothetical son becomes 16, I'm not allowed to tell him who to fuck, but I should still tell him how to dress?ElPatron said:
Should I break my thoughts down into a list, because I think you're missing my point entirely?
My male son wants to wear female clothes.
How do I feel about this
Not bothered by the fact, but do not want him regretting it later
How do I respond?
by not allowling him to wear said female clothes until an age where he can make his own decisions.
what would a suitable age be?
5? No
10? No Still in Primary School (a hostile enviornment for children who want to be different)
15? Meh
16? a significant birthday. Legal age of consent and in the leaving year of high school.
By that age, the person is set in their beliefs and it is two years away until they are considered an adult.
If the child's facination for wearing female clothes is still there, by all means son, wear a dress.
But looking at this COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION in a REALISTIC light, the facination with wearing female clothes will most likely be over with and long forgotten before they even reach the age of 16, so my decision to ban him from wearing a dress will no longer matter.
How do I feel about this
Not bothered by the fact, but do not want him regretting it later
How do I respond?
by not allowling him to wear said female clothes until an age where he can make his own decisions.
what would a suitable age be?
5? No
10? No Still in Primary School (a hostile enviornment for children who want to be different)
15? Meh
16? a significant birthday. Legal age of consent and in the leaving year of high school.
By that age, the person is set in their beliefs and it is two years away until they are considered an adult.
If the child's facination for wearing female clothes is still there, by all means son, wear a dress.
But looking at this COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION in a REALISTIC light, the facination with wearing female clothes will most likely be over with and long forgotten before they even reach the age of 16, so my decision to ban him from wearing a dress will no longer matter.
Now, please do not reply further as I have had enough of you telling me how to raise a child that I don't have, it's silly, and to be perfectly honest I don't care what you have to say further on this matter.
Have a nice day.
I don't know if you've ever been around kids, but they get shit for everything. They get shit for enjoying reading, they get shit for not being into the same things as other kids, they get shit for not liking the same foods as other kids. So yeah, he'll probably get shit for wearing a dress, but he'll also probably get shit if he's the only kid in school who eats his vegetables or plays video games.miketehmage said:
Personally, I like the lesson his dad is teaching him. Supporting the decisions of those you love. The lesson about how non-conformity will always come back to bite you will also come, but he's bound to learn that at some point in life anyway. I don't see why learning that lesson by wearing a dress is different from, say, learning that lesson by not listening to the same music as the other kids.