Yeah man, we need more girls than can kick ass and aren't always trying too hard to be cool. Why can't we have girls that are badass without the need to be stuck up bitches??
Actually, Alpha Protocol pissed me off for this. No choice in name or gender. Very little choice in appearance. They could have pulled off the whole "Clothed and Cool" Heroine gig...
But I could be wrong, Michael Thorton had a voice that just SOUNDED like it was mocking you at every turn. They'd have probably done the same with a female character
Yeah! Like girls that are mean for absolutely no reason. That's not 'cool' that's just being a *****. Women can be badass but that doesn't mean that they have to be a cold hard *****. Game developers don't seem to have realised this yet.
But to be fair, it's the same for a lot of male characters as well.
I think the game devellopers simply go too far. They think "Hmm... We want to make a girl that isn't a sissy, wimp, or any other synonym... Shit... She's a *****... We went too far didn't we? OH WELL! PUBLISH!"
The sad part is that when you see a female in a game that isn't the main character, they usuaslly have the right attitude down (Mrs. McFarlene in Red Dead Redemption. She was a lady with an attitude, but she only got nasty when someone wronged her...) I'd love to see more... Human female protagonists
You SHOULD NOT have a thread about females in games, and not bring up the leading lady of gaming.
As the first REAL heroine in gaming, she's evolved into somewhat of a sex symbol at times (mostly Zero Suit). But it's usually tasteful. I only hope the horndogs at Team Ninja treat her right in "Other M". Oh wait...they made Dead or Alive and Ninja Gaiden didn't they? FUCK.
It's worth noting, however, that Samus was originally made female to shock the player. Her reveal at the end of the original Metroid was a big "OMG" simply because it likely never crossed the player's mind that the hero in the suit might be a girl.
It's also worth noting that a big reason that women are portrayed as waiting for men to save the day in games is....wait for it....that's how a lot of women actually act. Well, wait, let me clarify - in American culture, particularly Southern culture, women are frequently taught that men have to do all the physical stuff. Women cook, clean, and raise children, men fix the cars, take care of the property and, by extension, fight off zombies and monsters. Stupid? Sure. But that doesn't mean that many women in the United States wouldn't just shrink into the corner, scream, and hope for rescue instead of actually trying to do something.
Also for clarification, the female Gears in Gears of War 3 look an act like soldiers, not lingerie models with guns. And I don't mean they act like men with breasts, I mean they act like soldiers, while still clearly being women. It's wonderful.
Games dont have a gender.
On that note most people who play games are teenage boys so to all of the women who complain about scantily clad women in games I would like to pass on a resounding message of "get the hell over it" or "buy up more of the market and replace it"
It's just that action/platforming games like tomb raider, or shooters (third- and first-person) are more likely to appeal to a male audience. While I have heard of "hardcore" female players, I have yet to meet one (I also have no social life, not even in games, as you might notice), and nonetheless the ratio is pretty obvious. So, yeah, sex sells, and what's with a bit of eye-candy?
So what, we have lara croft, samus, female shepard (and other bioware RPGs for that matter) etc., all of them pretty much solid characters that go up to par with male equivalents from other games (lara croft <-> nathan drake etc.)
You SHOULD NOT have a thread about females in games, and not bring up the leading lady of gaming.
As the first REAL heroine in gaming, she's evolved into somewhat of a sex symbol at times (mostly Zero Suit). But it's usually tasteful. I only hope the horndogs at Team Ninja treat her right in "Other M". Oh wait...they made Dead or Alive and Ninja Gaiden didn't they? FUCK.
Team Ninja...?
Fuck indeed, Onyx. Fuck i-n-d-e-e-d.
And I have to point out that no one would go into any sort of battle action with breast support like that. For it to actually go under and outline the shape of her breast that sharply, it would either need to be completely stiff and digging into her, or be vacuum-suctioned onto her body, which would... I'm shuddering just from the thought.
However, that is assuming that it is her actual breast we're seeing. Considering how practically-minded she is, that's likely armor for her actual breasts, which would likely be no more than an A or B cup because of how extremely athletic she is.
OK, Samus boob rant done.
Dr Grimoure said:
AngelofDarrkness said:
I think its a tad Sexist Females can fight and males can fight u shud be able to have the choice of playing as male of females characters in RPGS shooters Action Horror and other genres games [in some cases u do Fallout Mass effect etc]
in Most games women are used a sex symbols either dressed in no clothing except a bikini and tight outfits [Dead Or Alive, Soul Calibur, Ninja Gaiden, bayonetta There maybe more but i cant think of any at the moment]
really im not trying to be rude its just every game has that girl in distress the one who cant defend herself and must wait for the masculine guy to swoop in and save her
i wouldn't mind seeing the girl kick some god dam arse instead the girl characters in game are usually like 'Save Me' Oh know i cant go further its too scary' and bayonetta does this but its just Raunchy how she does it
Gears of War is the only game i have seen where u can play As a girl and kill things as a girl. COD doesn't even have girls in it at all i think in theres 1 girl NPC as the pilot and thats all i can think of [im not counting the civvies in No Russian]
Sure in RPGS u can play as a female [Fallout 3 etc] but your heroine doesn't have much personality besides being either a Bad Girl or a Good Girl there needs to be a game where everyone can be happy like i just wan like 1 COD game to have U playing as a Female for the whole game shooting Bad dudes etc
Girl Games i wont speak For you but i think that having Females being more dominate in video games would be better
im not trying to being annoying and rain on every dudes parade like some games can just go 2 far like Ivy from Soul Calibur no one has boobs that big or dresses like that
Only game i can think of that has a character that doesn't get her tits out wear tight outfits and not used as a Sex Symbol Is Either the girl u play as in portal
Alright, first off learn to use actually words. Do not use U, or 1. It quite frankly looks like your a child and your point will not even be taken seriously at all.
Secondly, there are a thousand of these stupid ass feminist posts all over the forum. Just use the search bar.
Now this is what many of those posts agreed upon:
There are more guy gamers than girl gamers, and if the guy gamers buy a game they are more likely to buy one with an attractive lead. Also, if you want to do something to change this get a job working for a game company and try to get them to change it. However I HIGHLY doubt that will work and quite frankly no one cares anymore. If it bothers you that much if a character is better looking than you then you seriously need help. It is a game, get over it and play the damn thing. I mean guys go through the same thing, and do you know what I have found? Guys ***** less... I wonder why that is...
Mmmm, stereotypes. How I love a good, "You have enough rights, no one cares about you any more" rant.
One quick thing: http://edugamesresearch.com/blog/2008/07/23/esa-survey-malefemale-gamer-ratio-is-6040-average-age-is-35/
That was in 2008; the statistics are rising. Female gamers aren't some mysterious race out there, we just go all stealthy because, frankly, I don't like to socialize with people who are going to throw me in categories like, "Sex object," or, "people who ***** a lot."
And "Stupid ass feminist posts"? Seriously?
Someone waltzes into the Escapist (Who by the looks of his post, is prolly very young) comes in here, proclaiming that we should strive towards social progress as though he thought of it himself? (He probably did, he's just obviously not the first to do so.)
Why in God's name would you go and insult him like this? He's very young, he's a gamer, and he want's more than T&A. This is a very, good sign for the gaming world.
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"Stupid ass feminist posts"? Seriously? I can't believe you'd say that. My mind is seriously blown.[/small]
Susan Arendt said:
Onyx Oblivion said:
Samus says hi.
And then shoots you with a missle.
You SHOULD NOT have a thread about females in games, and not bring up the leading lady of gaming.
As the first REAL heroine in gaming, she's evolved into somewhat of a sex symbol at times (mostly Zero Suit). But it's usually tasteful. I only hope the horndogs at Team Ninja treat her right in "Other M". Oh wait...they made Dead or Alive and Ninja Gaiden didn't they? FUCK.
It's worth noting, however, that Samus was originally made female to shock the player. Her reveal at the end of the original Metroid was a big "OMG" simply because it likely never crossed the player's mind that the hero in the suit might be a girl.
It's also worth noting that a big reason that women are portrayed as waiting for men to save the day in games is....wait for it....that's how a lot of women actually act. Well, wait, let me clarify - in American culture, particularly Southern culture, women are frequently taught that men have to do all the physical stuff. Women cook, clean, and raise children, men fix the cars, take care of the property and, by extension, fight off zombies and monsters. Stupid? Sure. But that doesn't mean that many women in the United States wouldn't just shrink into the corner, scream, and hope for rescue instead of actually trying to do something.
Also for clarification, the female Gears in Gears of War 3 look an act like soldiers, not lingerie models with guns. And I don't mean they act like men with breasts, I mean they act like soldiers, while still clearly being women. It's wonderful.
Is the South really all that bad? OK, yes it kinda is... Though Tennessee did, ultimately give women the vote... Because Harry T.'s mother told him to...
Yea, of course they are. Just like they are everywhere else. Im not saying it's right to do so but it's what happens everywhere. Now personally it doesn't appeal to me to have a female 'sex symbol' in a game. Partly 'cos I play most of my games with my girlfriend, but that aside I still don't see the appeal of having a girl half naked if she isn't a real person. So yea, i'd much prefer a deep female character, preferably one who can kick ass and not do it in such a 'raunchy' way (like you said in bayonetta)
Get more female gamers, and the demographic for RPGs and Shooters will be male and female, and not just male.
I'm a guy, and relate more to male characters. Like in GTA, Assassins Creed and countless other games where you're a male. If there where more female gamers, perhaps the industry would change its ways.
Females have always been sex symbols in the media. There's really nothing that will change about that.
It's just the way things are, it's a tad annoying I'll give you that but a world without stereotyping, sexism and all that crap is a fantasy world.
Also no offence but please clean up your writing.
It makes it difficult for people to understand you and may possibly make the reader bark up the wrong tree.
I don't know why there are suddenly so many threads popping up about how women are inequal/exploited, and I've held my tongue, but I find it harder and harder to do so, especially in cases like this.
Just for a moment, I want you to sit back and stop looking at things from your narrow perspective and try something different. Let's take a look at games, movies, music, and advertising aimed towards women.
In movies, and god I've seen a lot of them recently, chick flicks(Otherwise known as the formula romantic comedy) feature a woman that female audiences are supposed to identify with, and a male protagonist that is supposed to represent everything they want. He's fit, smart, funny, and above all, no matter what she does to him, he's supposed to come running back, which of course he does. Formula for these movies is they have fun, they have a falling out, and either he comes back to her, or she comes back to him and expects him to forgive all. That's just in movies.
Games geared towards women are the same way. Yes, your women can do everything a man can do, but lets look at the men in these games. They're all about seven feet tall and weigh as much as a grizzly bear. They're chiseled adonis' of masculinity, and why is that? Because women want someone attracctive, and no one wants to look at a nerdy little, 95 pound bookworm with glasses so think their eyes have disappeared from sight. And why is that? I happen to be one of those nerdy people, are you saying that I can't content as well as anyone else? I'd bet you I could, but in womens games, men are just objectified as eye candy.
But that's all examples of men. As far as women as sex symbols, let's turn to advertising. Products geared towards women are all advertisied by women as well. The auditions for these products only take the most beautiful women they can find. And that's because women will pay attention to other good looking women. If Pantene was sold by a 50 year old monther of four who lived in the suberbs of Paris, Texas, the company would go under tomorrow. Women are the ones that seem to spend a great deal of time arguing that they're exploited as these great sex symbols, and yet at the same time, sex symbols are exactly what they make themselves out to be and try to be.
NOW, in rebuttal for all those people that are going to attack me for being sexist, I want to say that I'm all for feminism, and I'm all for equal rights. But the battle is over, and so is the war. Women have all the same legal rights as men, and women have all the same social rights as well, including a few others. Men don't get maternity leave. Sure, some places are starting to come around, but for the most part, while mom is at home with baby, or god forbid, in one of those hospital suites racking up about $400 a day, Dad is at work already paying bills. Women need to take themselves out of the fighting mode and go back to just being people. The equal rights have been won, but what people are after now is special rights, retribution for all the time they didn't have it, and whether you think that women deserve some kind of reparation similar to that sought by the black community once upon a time, that doesn't make it right.
That's all I have to say for now. So in the words of the human torch, flame on.
There are some games where the women are respectable teammates (hl2 comes to mind) but in most games, they are usually just boobs on an upside-down mop.
Honestly. Even though punctuation is nice and should be there, you should still be able to read it it. Its not like if I just kept on saying things in real life and didnt stop you wouldnt be able to understand me.
BUT. I do feel you when it comes to the chicks in games thing. I believe that some designers are trying to make them in games more but thats just it. The creators have the power here so if they want to keep making the girls with huge titts slaying demons or something thats their perogative.
Like my grand pappy always said! "If you want something done do it yourself you skinny little tweaker!"
I don't know why there are suddenly so many threads popping up about how women are inequal/exploited, and I've held my tongue, but I find it harder and harder to do so, especially in cases like this.
Just for a moment, I want you to sit back and stop looking at things from your narrow perspective and try something different. Let's take a look at games, movies, music, and advertising aimed towards women.
In movies, and god I've seen a lot of them recently, chick flicks(Otherwise known as the formula romantic comedy) feature a woman that female audiences are supposed to identify with, and a male protagonist that is supposed to represent everything they want. He's fit, smart, funny, and above all, no matter what she does to him, he's supposed to come running back, which of course he does. Formula for these movies is they have fun, they have a falling out, and either he comes back to her, or she comes back to him and expects him to forgive all. That's just in movies.
Games geared towards women are the same way. Yes, your women can do everything a man can do, but lets look at the men in these games. They're all about seven feet tall and weigh as much as a grizzly bear. They're chiseled adonis' of masculinity, and why is that? Because women want someone attracctive, and no one wants to look at a nerdy little, 95 pound bookworm with glasses so think their eyes have disappeared from sight. And why is that? I happen to be one of those nerdy people, are you saying that I can't content as well as anyone else? I'd bet you I could, but in womens games, men are just objectified as eye candy.
But that's all examples of men. As far as women as sex symbols, let's turn to advertising. Products geared towards women are all advertisied by women as well. The auditions for these products only take the most beautiful women they can find. And that's because women will pay attention to other good looking women. If Pantene was sold by a 50 year old monther of four who lived in the suberbs of Paris, Texas, the company would go under tomorrow. Women are the ones that seem to spend a great deal of time arguing that they're exploited as these great sex symbols, and yet at the same time, sex symbols are exactly what they make themselves out to be and try to be.
NOW, in rebuttal for all those people that are going to attack me for being sexist, I want to say that I'm all for feminism, and I'm all for equal rights. But the battle is over, and so is the war. Women have all the same legal rights as men, and women have all the same social rights as well, including a few others. Men don't get maternity leave. Sure, some places are starting to come around, but for the most part, while mom is at home with baby, or god forbid, in one of those hospital suites racking up about $400 a day, Dad is at work already paying bills. Women need to take themselves out of the fighting mode and go back to just being people. The equal rights have been won, but what people are after now is special rights, retribution for all the time they didn't have it, and whether you think that women deserve some kind of reparation similar to that sought by the black community once upon a time, that doesn't make it right.
That's all I have to say for now. So in the words of the human torch, flame on.
Yes, they are because the stereotype and overall consensus is that videogames are played by males and as result, in order to facilitate more sales females are sexualised in games.
Yeah, but this is nothing new. Society has been feeding everyone their image of an ideal person, whether male or female, since the beginning of mankind I'd imagine.
It just so happens that the videogame industry tends to think that their audiences are mostly teenage males. You can guess what happens from there.
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