Well, I'm not gay myself, so I guess less gay? It isn't something I really want to see much. That said, I had no problems with Cortez in Mass Effect 3 because he didn't make a deal out of it. So take that how you well.
Poll: Games aren't gay enough.
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Just so you know I'm not here to poke fun or be an arsehole. I'm here to find an answer to a question I've had stuck in my head recently. Any insensitivity is probably due to the fact I care very little about polotical correctness and I lack alot of tact when it comes to matters such as this.
There's a very big difference between Paedophilia and Ephebophilia.
Knowing the difference when talking about such things is fairly vital.
Knowing the difference when talking about such things is fairly vital.
So your talking that ME3 does not count which in my eyes it really should, because I believe sexuality should be an OPTION in games and I hate it when gay AND straight relationships get shoved into my face. I think your seeking to detract from gaming by forcing views on people who just don't care, because that seems to be the point your getting across to me with you saying you don't want it to be optional and you want it to be mandatory.
I DON'T want to play oversexualized games, and I don't want to be criticized for not wanting to ever see them and be accused of being a gay hater or something ridiculous. I'm bi irl, and when I play games sexuality is the last thing on my mind. Please keep it optional because I DON"T want to see it! Your talking of forcing sexuality down peoples throats where it has no business being.
If a game gets praised for having gays or lesbians make out and FORCING the gamer to suffer through it, I will not buy it. Sexuality in gaming should always be OPTIONAL gay or no! in a way this topic reminds me of that gay couple in American dad. No one cares they are gay, so they go out of their way to seek attention because of it. And its funny because that is an accurate assessment of ALOT of the gay community.
Sexuality = OPTIONAL!! don't force it on me like you think it should be! thank you!
I DON'T want to play oversexualized games, and I don't want to be criticized for not wanting to ever see them and be accused of being a gay hater or something ridiculous. I'm bi irl, and when I play games sexuality is the last thing on my mind. Please keep it optional because I DON"T want to see it! Your talking of forcing sexuality down peoples throats where it has no business being.
If a game gets praised for having gays or lesbians make out and FORCING the gamer to suffer through it, I will not buy it. Sexuality in gaming should always be OPTIONAL gay or no! in a way this topic reminds me of that gay couple in American dad. No one cares they are gay, so they go out of their way to seek attention because of it. And its funny because that is an accurate assessment of ALOT of the gay community.
Sexuality = OPTIONAL!! don't force it on me like you think it should be! thank you!
uh huh...so now your back peddling out of that double hole you dugVeneratedWulfen93 said:
because you then took another non conventional but harmless relationship (age difference) and compared it to paedophilia...nice going
weather or not paedophelia is a sickness (it seems more like an unfortunate fetish but I'm no experet) It still should not be compared to homosexuality because aside from the "harms no one" factor..."what to do with paedophiles" is a SEPERATE issue alltogther...in regards to that people should understand you cant make people just "go away" there needs to be a solution for those to prevent them from offending...
I'm also somwhat bothered by your previous comments about england...I mean I could just as easyly say "well where I come from furries are everywhere and completly open about it! whats the problem bro?"
and take issue with this only because....it kind of feels like me complaining I'm having "guns" shoved down my throat in a game like unchartedZeckt said:
It may be somthing that you personally are not interested in seeing in a game but I belive that its whatever the creator wants to create
There could stand to be more homosexual game protagonists. That said, the only thing worse than diversity is forced, stilted, pandering, 'for the sake of it' diversity. If you want to say something about what it's like to be gay or whatever, go for it. If you're just doing it as a "hey look everyone, we've got a gay main character, everyone give us free publicity" type deal, that's kinda crap. The fact that your character is gay shouldn't define them as a person, so to speak. It shouldn't be the only character trait they have.
We do that here a lot in the northwest too, but there's a difference between taking the piss out of each other in a friendly way and directed hate. There are a lot of ignorant people and ahardline christians around here unfortunately so that probably lent itself to it a lot.VeneratedWulfen93 said:
No my uni experience so far has been good and nobody cares that I like other boys, high school was hell but uni is great, can't wait to move out of this part of the world though.
People calling me gay isn't insulting, though I'm bisexual (even the gay kids picked on me in highschool for being "selfish", whatever the fuck that means), but being called a worthless ****** all the time is.
I'm glad that isn't my world any more =]
You make a good point False Nobility. It would be nice to see more diversity in terms of characters in games. However, I don't think its because of any malice on the developers part. Its just lazy writing or plain writing. For example, there are no women in Stalker: Call of Pripyat. None are even mentioned. Now I don't think that the people at GSC are misogynists. They probably didn't want to build female character models, and didn't really think about adding a women into the game.
I think we might start to see more gay main characters in the near future, but only as a marketing stunt to create controversy. After that, we will hopefully see some good gay main character. Just remember that most games are struggling with the "female protaganist" thing.
Also, you can compare Homosexuality and Paedophilia if you want, but it doesn't make much sense in context.
Edit1: I actually kind of see the point you're trying to make VW93. At Paedophilia used to be ok, but its now considered a sickness, while with Homosexuality its the other way around. I mean, the Greeks used to fuck kids, and we still like them, and put a lot of weight in the philosophy. Lots of them were gay too but thats neither here nor there.Its good to look at how society's perspective can change. Its an interesting discussion to have, but nows not really the time for it. Its a super awkward conversation to have as well.
Edit2: Im actually very disappointed in the amount of people saying "No, I don't want homosexuality to be shoved in my face". I expected better really.
I think we might start to see more gay main characters in the near future, but only as a marketing stunt to create controversy. After that, we will hopefully see some good gay main character. Just remember that most games are struggling with the "female protaganist" thing.
I feel I should point out that what you're describing isn't Paedophilia, it's good old Statutory Rape. Its quite a big difference. Paedophilia is an mental condition adult being attracted to Pre-pubesants, while Statutory Rape is a law.VeneratedWulfen93 said:
Also, you can compare Homosexuality and Paedophilia if you want, but it doesn't make much sense in context.
Edit1: I actually kind of see the point you're trying to make VW93. At Paedophilia used to be ok, but its now considered a sickness, while with Homosexuality its the other way around. I mean, the Greeks used to fuck kids, and we still like them, and put a lot of weight in the philosophy. Lots of them were gay too but thats neither here nor there.Its good to look at how society's perspective can change. Its an interesting discussion to have, but nows not really the time for it. Its a super awkward conversation to have as well.
Edit2: Im actually very disappointed in the amount of people saying "No, I don't want homosexuality to be shoved in my face". I expected better really.
I think it needs to go with the story and fit the character. That is the biggest mistake the entertainment industry has done so far with this issue. It seems like some are staying away from it while others are jumping on the "Gay" wagon.
Let me put it this way... would you want Kratos, God of War with the sexual appetite of a bunny from the depths of hell.
turn into this?
I wouldn't...
Now don't get me wrong. I do love gay characters. Fenris from Dragon Age is hot and has a personality type that would warrant such a sexual preference. He has issues with connecting to people, but if he does become connected it is a very powerful one.
and I do love how well he can be cosplayed
Perhaps I just prefer my boys skinny and weak looking compared to the stomping hulks that most men appear like in video games.
Let me put it this way... would you want Kratos, God of War with the sexual appetite of a bunny from the depths of hell.
turn into this?
I wouldn't...
Now don't get me wrong. I do love gay characters. Fenris from Dragon Age is hot and has a personality type that would warrant such a sexual preference. He has issues with connecting to people, but if he does become connected it is a very powerful one.
and I do love how well he can be cosplayed
Perhaps I just prefer my boys skinny and weak looking compared to the stomping hulks that most men appear like in video games.
Many characters in computer games are not really depicted as having a sexuality. In the Tomb Raider games was Lara Croft depicted as being heterosexual (I don't actually know having only played 10 mins of any of the games)? Duke Nukem was certainly straight, or at least was massively over compensating for being gay. Mario is interested in the Princess but Luigi we never know.
In Lemmings there were hundreds of the little buggers, there is a high chance some of those were gay or lesbian. Ryu and Ken are depicted as friends but in their chosen profession perhaps coming out would be a bad idea, especially as E Honda strikes me as being a potential homophobe. Maybe the twist at the end of Half Life episode 3 is that Gordon Freeman's first words will be "I've got something to tell you all. I'm gay"?!
On a more serious note, I'm happy to have more gays and lesbians in games but I wouldn't want to have it as some gimmicky inclusion. There is representation in games such as Grand Theft Auto when there is a big cast. I certainly don't think the industry has made a decision not to have gay heroes. Otherwise, why would we have Link?
In Lemmings there were hundreds of the little buggers, there is a high chance some of those were gay or lesbian. Ryu and Ken are depicted as friends but in their chosen profession perhaps coming out would be a bad idea, especially as E Honda strikes me as being a potential homophobe. Maybe the twist at the end of Half Life episode 3 is that Gordon Freeman's first words will be "I've got something to tell you all. I'm gay"?!
On a more serious note, I'm happy to have more gays and lesbians in games but I wouldn't want to have it as some gimmicky inclusion. There is representation in games such as Grand Theft Auto when there is a big cast. I certainly don't think the industry has made a decision not to have gay heroes. Otherwise, why would we have Link?
I vote that the sexuality of the character isn't important unless it's relevant to the plot or characters. In games that explore character back-stories and it has an effect on them in game, I have no problem with gay characters. If the player builds there own character and can choose their sexuality, than the character can be gay. But, in games where that has NO bearing on the plot or character development/interactions than I would say no.
Simplified: If being gay is not relevant to the story or characters than it's not needed.
Simplified: If being gay is not relevant to the story or characters than it's not needed.
who says Kratos would be any different if he was gay?.....in fact I can kind of see it...he is ancient greek after allZack Alklazaris said:I think it needs to go with the story and fit the character. That is the biggest mistake the entertainment industry has done so far with this issue. It seems like some are staying away from it while others are jumping on the "Gay" wagon.
Let me put it this way... would you want Kratos, God of War with the sexual appetite of a bunny from the depths of hell.
turn into this?
I wouldn't...
Now don't get me wrong. I do love gay characters. Fenris from Dragon Age is hot and has a personality type that would warrant such a sexual preference. He has issues with connecting to people, but if he does become connected it is a very powerful one.
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I see it now... and I blame you.PieBrotherTB said:
Anyways, I dont see why there needs to be. Well, thats not to say there shouldnt, but while I havent played Persona 4 (or any actually), but as I did watch that episode of EC where they did talk about that character, and can say this:
In the case of that character, it was a part of the game, not a token bit of backstory that was put out there and left alone, you actually fight a being that reprsents his own fear of being viewed as gay. Though, as I havent played the game, Im not sure if he is actually gay, or is just scared of people not seeing him as the manly badass he wants to think of himself as.
Really, if you start including gay men and women or making main characters gay, just so they're there, its not gonna solve anything... if you are going to include gay characters, make it somewhat relevant, otherwise, its just useless details that can be dropped for more important ones.
That article doesn't support the statistic of 30% at all! It says that "U.S. adults, on average, estimate that 25 percent of Americans are gay or lesbian", but then goes on to say only 4% of those surveyed in 2011 guessed in the correct band of "Under 5%"Overusedname said:
Sure, I imagine it is probably higher than 5% if everyone answered honestly, but no where near as much as 1/3 of the population
OT: Don't really have an issue with it going either way, I just want better written characters in general. If my character is a gay male, then establish that well enough as a PART of his personality and I'll be happy to play the game. I tire of 1 dimensional characters though, where one characteristic of their personality is picked and that is what defines them as a person. I've never met someone like that in real life, let alone found it to be the norm!
Basically, if it fits the story, then include appropriate characters. If it doesn't, don't. Either way, just make sure people are round out to be actual people. Not walking slabs of muscle/sex appeal/desire for revenge/selfless hero of the world, and actual people with personalities, desires and doubts.
Why isn't there a "Holy shit, who gives a fuck what consenting adults like to do in the privacy of their own home." option....
Not only games need more gay.
There needs to be more gay in general media. It shouldn't be only tiny little indie movies that have gay protagonists. Having a gay protagonist should just be one of things you can write without worry of reprisal. Sitcom gay people who aren't just massive flaming camp fairies but actual people who struggle with their sexuality in a world that doesn't accept them.
I've actually sometimes thought that games are kind of ahead in terms of the rest of the media in this regard. Have a gay relationship in Mass Effect and it's just another relationship (in-game, not meta) no different than if you shagged Miranda (as a guy). Try and name any other mainstream media property where the main character just 'had' a gay relationship and it wasn't made into a huge deal. I can't think of a single one where the relationship wasn't the focus, and usually ended badly.
There needs to be more gay in general media. It shouldn't be only tiny little indie movies that have gay protagonists. Having a gay protagonist should just be one of things you can write without worry of reprisal. Sitcom gay people who aren't just massive flaming camp fairies but actual people who struggle with their sexuality in a world that doesn't accept them.
I've actually sometimes thought that games are kind of ahead in terms of the rest of the media in this regard. Have a gay relationship in Mass Effect and it's just another relationship (in-game, not meta) no different than if you shagged Miranda (as a guy). Try and name any other mainstream media property where the main character just 'had' a gay relationship and it wasn't made into a huge deal. I can't think of a single one where the relationship wasn't the focus, and usually ended badly.
