Poll: Homeschooling: Where do you stand?

Bugerion

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I would say it depends,if you live ina place witha bunch of morons and you think they will influence badly on your child then I'd say homeschool but if in a normal socity then send a kid to school he might not learn much but as I see it socialization is more important to me at least and this comes from a guy who has a small number of friends.Also schooling children these days is preatty hard because our knowlage grows every day and if you wanted your kid to learn ALL the basics from all areas then his/hers school years should be a lot longer and this is a fact.


Soon the saying:''I know that I know nothing'' will not be just there to tell us how massive human knowlage is but to represent most of us If you get what I am saying.It's kind of good and kind of scary at the same time.
 

AstylahAthrys

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I begged my mother to let me home school so I could focus on an education that benefited my future. The schools where I live are horrible when it comes to both my peers and the teachers. I was also having terrible social anxiety and agoraphobia preventing me from being able to learn well. I was in my Sophomore year, so she wouldn't even have been teaching me. I would've been learning online for the most part. Still, my mother refused to listen to how bad it was and forced me to finish high school at the shitty public school where I got bullied for being depressed and having anxiety issues by a bunch of rednecks. I'll never forgive her.

So, yes, I am in favor.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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JustaGigolo said:
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I'm against it.

I haven't met a single normal person who was home schooled.
Try this [http://writingishard.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/logical-fallacy-friday-argument-by-anecdote/]

Also, please define "normal"
I roomed with a home schooled kid who didn't know what a circumcised penis was.

A complete lack of social skills and zero knowledge outside of a very sheltered existence seems to be all you get with home schooling.

I feel sorry that you had to be home schooled. Talk about child abuse.
Again, argument from anecdote. That's a fallacy. Try using numbers or something of that nature. Saying "I've met homeschooled kids who weren't well adjusted, therefore, homeschooling is bad for children " is a fallacy to the Nth degree.

And please, I don't need your sympathy.
Being the victim of child abuse will get anyone my sympathy.
Firstly, if you're really trying to state that homeschooling is child abuse, you've crossed over into Poe's Law territory

Secondly, what on God's good earth makes you think it is child abuse? If you're going to claim that it is, at least provide some argument or proof.
*Looks at you*

Yep, can only be the result of child abuse.
Annnnnnd that's borderline ad hominem.

Again, what makes you say that? A few posting on the internet?
Hopefully you won't make the mistakes of your parents.

All my pity.
Firstly, you're not making any arguments. Nor are you addressing my issue.

Secondly, "mistakes"? Please be more clear on what you mean. Yes, I will make an effort not to commit the same mistakes. But again, if you're saying homeschooling is a "mistake", I'm asking you to back it up with logic.

If feels like you are trying to provoke a reaction from me, dear reader. Please, if you're going to argue a point, at least debate on an intelligible level
 

lovest harding

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Depends on why.
I feel strongly against doing it for religious purposes (because sheltering a child under one's own religious belief in order to protect or keep them from the real world tends to only breed a child who's ignorant at best and so tied into their own religion that they're intolerant and disrespectful of other beliefs and complete assholes to those who do not follow their own religion at worst).
If there's another reason for doing it, and if the child is treated to a real education (one that not only teaches the parent's beliefs but opposing world views) then I don't have a problem with it.
The only thing that's lacking with homeschooling (when it's taught by a parent who knows what they're doing) is social skills and that can be fixed by simply enrolling a child into a non-school related function with other children, or even just taking the child to a park regularly.
 

Whitewillow

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O.K, I feel I should point out that there is a wide variety of homeschoolers. I think what you meant in the poll was school at home. I was what I tend to call a Homelearner. I didn't have a curriculum or homework, and I got to choose what subject to focus on. Also, the fact that a child is taught at home doesn't necessarily mean that the parents are doing all the teaching or even most of the teaching. Where I live what would happen is a bunch of kids would express interest in the same subject so their parents would hire a someone, usually a professional in the subject, to teach a class for their children. There are also places, like community centers for example, who provide after school classes that are very happy to hold classes during school hours for homelearners/schoolers. I also had no problem whatsoever with "lack of socialisation". Just because you don't go to school doesn't mean you don't have any friends. I'm pretty sure I know more people I genuinely like hanging out with than I would have if I'd gone to school. I also know more people in a wider age range than a lot of other people my age. I'm very glad I didn't go to school.
 

Troublesome Lagomorph

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Don't see why not. If they learn and learn well, then I don't see a problem. If it makes them turn out dickish, then I don't care either. There's lots of asswipes in high school who are just as bad if not worse. If they don't have life experience... well, high school isn't exactly a good indicator for what the rest of the world is like, so I still don't care.
 

MammothBlade

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I support it if the tutors/parents are capable of teaching, but their social life will be a bit stunted. Personally, I think teaching in small informal classes is better. A ratio of 1 teacher to no more than 10 pupils gives everyone the attention and potential for social interaction they need whilst keeping bullying and cliques to a minimum, avoiding alot of the negative social impact of mass-schooling.

Though it gets to a point where homeschooling isn't efficient. Generalist teaching up to the end of secondary education isn't that hard for anyone with a brain, but when you get to more specialised higher-level teaching, home tutoring becomes much less practical.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
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I'm against it.

I haven't met a single normal person who was home schooled.
Try this [http://writingishard.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/logical-fallacy-friday-argument-by-anecdote/]

Also, please define "normal"
I roomed with a home schooled kid who didn't know what a circumcised penis was.

A complete lack of social skills and zero knowledge outside of a very sheltered existence seems to be all you get with home schooling.

I feel sorry that you had to be home schooled. Talk about child abuse.
Again, argument from anecdote. That's a fallacy. Try using numbers or something of that nature. Saying "I've met homeschooled kids who weren't well adjusted, therefore, homeschooling is bad for children " is a fallacy to the Nth degree.

And please, I don't need your sympathy.
Being the victim of child abuse will get anyone my sympathy.
Firstly, if you're really trying to state that homeschooling is child abuse, you've crossed over into Poe's Law territory

Secondly, what on God's good earth makes you think it is child abuse? If you're going to claim that it is, at least provide some argument or proof.
*Looks at you*

Yep, can only be the result of child abuse.
Annnnnnd that's borderline ad hominem.

Again, what makes you say that? A few posting on the internet?
Hopefully you won't make the mistakes of your parents.

All my pity.
Firstly, you're not making any arguments. Nor are you addressing my issue.

Secondly, "mistakes"? Please be more clear on what you mean. Yes, I will make an effort not to commit the same mistakes. But again, if you're saying homeschooling is a "mistake", I'm asking you to back it up with logic.

If feels like you are trying to provoke a reaction from me, dear reader. Please, if you're going to argue a point, at least debate on an intelligible level
Tis a shame.

All those years of your life completely wasted.
Because of my work with homeschooling, I was able to take college credit classes for two years before I went off to actual school.

That's not a waste. And you seem intent on ignoring my points
 

CM156_v1legacy

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JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
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CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
I'm against it.

I haven't met a single normal person who was home schooled.
Try this [http://writingishard.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/logical-fallacy-friday-argument-by-anecdote/]

Also, please define "normal"
I roomed with a home schooled kid who didn't know what a circumcised penis was.

A complete lack of social skills and zero knowledge outside of a very sheltered existence seems to be all you get with home schooling.

I feel sorry that you had to be home schooled. Talk about child abuse.
Again, argument from anecdote. That's a fallacy. Try using numbers or something of that nature. Saying "I've met homeschooled kids who weren't well adjusted, therefore, homeschooling is bad for children " is a fallacy to the Nth degree.

And please, I don't need your sympathy.
Being the victim of child abuse will get anyone my sympathy.
Firstly, if you're really trying to state that homeschooling is child abuse, you've crossed over into Poe's Law territory

Secondly, what on God's good earth makes you think it is child abuse? If you're going to claim that it is, at least provide some argument or proof.
*Looks at you*

Yep, can only be the result of child abuse.
Annnnnnd that's borderline ad hominem.

Again, what makes you say that? A few posting on the internet?
Hopefully you won't make the mistakes of your parents.

All my pity.
Firstly, you're not making any arguments. Nor are you addressing my issue.

Secondly, "mistakes"? Please be more clear on what you mean. Yes, I will make an effort not to commit the same mistakes. But again, if you're saying homeschooling is a "mistake", I'm asking you to back it up with logic.

If feels like you are trying to provoke a reaction from me, dear reader. Please, if you're going to argue a point, at least debate on an intelligible level
Tis a shame.

All those years of your life completely wasted.
Because of my work with homeschooling, I was able to take college credit classes for two years before I went off to actual school.

That's not a waste. And you seem intent on ignoring my points
If only there were time machines, you could save your childhood.
You're not backing up any of your statements with anything remotely resembling fact.

If you want to debate home schooling, by all means. Do so. Make a debate. I'm waiting.
 

The Virgo

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What's up with all the people against it?

I was homeschooled and by the time I was 15 I had, according to the official tests I had to take every year, at least three subjects that I was at a college level at ... and I had been at a college level in those subjects for the past 2 or 3 years. Everything else I was either I was only 15 and yet way above my peers.

Plus, you don't have to deal with the usual pricks and bullies you find in school.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
CM156 said:
JustaGigolo said:
I'm against it.

I haven't met a single normal person who was home schooled.
Try this [http://writingishard.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/logical-fallacy-friday-argument-by-anecdote/]

Also, please define "normal"
I roomed with a home schooled kid who didn't know what a circumcised penis was.

A complete lack of social skills and zero knowledge outside of a very sheltered existence seems to be all you get with home schooling.

I feel sorry that you had to be home schooled. Talk about child abuse.
Again, argument from anecdote. That's a fallacy. Try using numbers or something of that nature. Saying "I've met homeschooled kids who weren't well adjusted, therefore, homeschooling is bad for children " is a fallacy to the Nth degree.

And please, I don't need your sympathy.
Being the victim of child abuse will get anyone my sympathy.
Firstly, if you're really trying to state that homeschooling is child abuse, you've crossed over into Poe's Law territory

Secondly, what on God's good earth makes you think it is child abuse? If you're going to claim that it is, at least provide some argument or proof.
*Looks at you*

Yep, can only be the result of child abuse.
Annnnnnd that's borderline ad hominem.

Again, what makes you say that? A few posting on the internet?
Hopefully you won't make the mistakes of your parents.

All my pity.
Firstly, you're not making any arguments. Nor are you addressing my issue.

Secondly, "mistakes"? Please be more clear on what you mean. Yes, I will make an effort not to commit the same mistakes. But again, if you're saying homeschooling is a "mistake", I'm asking you to back it up with logic.

If feels like you are trying to provoke a reaction from me, dear reader. Please, if you're going to argue a point, at least debate on an intelligible level
Tis a shame.

All those years of your life completely wasted.
Because of my work with homeschooling, I was able to take college credit classes for two years before I went off to actual school.

That's not a waste. And you seem intent on ignoring my points
If only there were time machines, you could save your childhood.
You're not backing up any of your statements with anything remotely resembling fact.

If you want to debate home schooling, by all means. Do so. Make a debate. I'm waiting.
Maybe with a time machine we could stop your parents from meeting, so you wouldn't exist. It would be a better fate than being home schooled.

Wait, if you didn't exist, I wouldn't have to go back in time to stop you from existing, but then you'd exist if I didn't go back,so you'd have to exist for me to go back in the first place.
You're honestly saying that I would be better off not existing than being homeschooled

Really?

You're gone so far into Poe's Law, I don't know where to start. Tell me, do you actually want to debate homeschooling? Yes or no. Simple question.
 

cdstephens

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I was homeschooled for elementary school, so I'll give you my two cents.

If the parents buy the right books, a homeschooled kid will receive more formal education than any public elementary school student by a long shot, and more than private schools (depending on the private school of course). So, the upside is that the child grows intellectually and when he does receive education at an institution will be well prepared.

Another aspect of *American* homeschooling, however, is that they tend to be Christian based. This can be a pro or con depending where you stand on whether children should be taught religion or not at a young age. Most of the time though, the books will only have passing mentions of religion; the most I remember is a section in the grammar book teaching how God should be capitalized but gods shouldn't because God refers to a specific named entity.

A major downside is the lack of social interaction. I was particularly lonely during elementary, and only had my siblings basically to keep me company, despite going to the YMCA and such for activities. Thus, when I entered middle school, I was quite socially awkward.

As such, I personally think homeschooling is only advisable in elementary school, as parents definitely should be able to teach material of that level. In middle school, however, the lack of social interaction and the steadily increasing in challenge of the content being taught will hamper the child's progress, and upon reaching highschool homeschooling is simply not viable in my opinion.

It does have its advantages though. I was homeschooled elementary school, went to private school for middle school, a private boarding school for high school, and now attend Columbia University. I reckon my homeschooling had something to do with that. It's definitely not for everyone though; the parents have to be committed to teaching their kids and also foster social interaction so that when the child does eventually enter the real world they don't crash and burn.
 
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I'm home schooled, been so for a few years, and it's fairly lonely and depressing. Could be in high school and socializing, but I'm no good at socializing. Although getting up when ever I feel like it is good.
 

NinjaDeathSlap

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I wouldn't personally home school my kids unless I absolutely had to, because I think the social experience of going to school with other people your age is just as important to your development as what you actually learn. However, I'm not going to try and tell other parents how to bring up their own children.
 

Blind Sight

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Depends...both homeschooling and public schools can provide a sub-par quality of education, not to mention the ideological factors that could be applied in both environments. For me it depends on each individual case.
 

Arrogancy

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Homeschooling is a fine idea, but public school is necessary. I don't care how much better educated your child is than the average public schooler, they need to be around other people, they need to learn to interact and deal with people. The best place to do that is at school.
 

thethingthatlurks

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Am I supposed to condense my entire view of education from primary to secondary school, and the relevant @home alternatives into a single paragraph? *sigh*

It depends.
It depends on so many factors that I honestly cannot give a straight yes/no answer. Except in one case: if you homeschool just so you can indoctrinate your child into whatever retarded cult you happen to follow, kindly go die in a fire.

Ok, real scenarios now. I suppose just about anybody is capable of doing at least a crappy job teaching elementary school material as the professionals, though then there's the issue of whether or not keeping a child that young from other children is beneficial in any way. I don't know the answer to that question, so I won't hazard a guess. I still remember being excruciatingly bored in elementary school, and I doubt I would have missed out on much if I had just stayed at home.

Ok, middle school. Now we're getting into matters of experience and knowledge on part of the instructor. Let's face it, not everybody can teach (that includes professional teachers as well). How would you explain elementary algebra, or the basics of science if you lack any background yourself? Yes, you could teach straight from the book, but that would make you a pretty crappy teacher. You will have to learn, a lot, and not just the answers to the problems from whatever book you are using. No, you will have to have a real understanding of the material. Again, I won't get into the whole socializing thing. I attended public school and turned out to be a veritable ass, so make of that what you will...

High school. Alright, now it's show time! Physics, math, chemistry, biology, geography, history, programing. Think you're up for it? In my high school, the teachers were required to have at least a bachelor degree in their subject, and some of them were still terrible! We're no longer at a point where feigning knowledge, or preaching from some textbook is sufficient. You have to have a real background now. Not some superficial "I took a class on it in college," but a real degree, and real experience. Without this, you're only holding your child back, and I'm willing to bet even farther than the public education system. Yes, you could still do this effectively, but you need to find other "teachers" with the necessary experience. I'd be very suspicious of any homeschooled college applicant whose parents did not hold at least one doctorate each. That social thing? Yeah, I was the awkward, kinda chubby nerd who always sat alone. Fuck that, I didn't miss out on anything anyway. Or in plain English, I'm not the sort of person whom you should ask about the importance (much less the desire for) of having a diverse social life in high school.

My father has a doctorate in electrical engineering, and my mother has one in chemistry. They are certainly more qualified than any (save one) teachers I've had, but that still wouldn't make them better at that job. I have two BSc degrees, and am currently in grad school for a MSc (followed hopefully by PhD). *I* am more qualified than a huge portion of teachers, and that still wouldn't make me a suitable replacement. My answer of "It depends" is really the only honest one I can give. There are loads of highly qualified people who simply cannot effectively teach, and there are tons of people who can easily get children to pay attention, but haven't got a clue about the relevant material. If you can make it work, great! If not, well, you're paying taxes anyway, might as well get the most out of it? I would like to stress though that I cannot recommend homeschooling past middle school. It's not for that bloody socializing claim, but because that is the point where real knowledge and experience are more important than anything else. Again, if you're a professor/Nobel laureate/Department Head, great! If not, please don't screw up another generation. Please?