Poll: How do you feel about interracial marriages?
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Caring about race is something from the 60s surely? If you mean interracial as in someone is actually from a different country and has a very different way of life or a religion that's very important to them it's different but as a whole it doesn't matter.
Wow. That's possibly one of the more arrogant denial-ridden loads of racist bullshit I've heard. You're saying all women in your ethnic group are potential suitors, there we've got our sexism... racism from the "bloody darkies stealing our women" mentality... all we're missing is a dose of homophobia and you're perfect for 4chan.deadish said:
My situation and sentiments exactly.Valdus said:
I wouldn't criticise somebody for saying that interracial relationships aren't their thing (just like I can say homosexuality isn't for me, but that doesn't make me a homophobe). Anybody who has a moral objection, however, is surely either arguing from ignorance or just pure boneheaded racism.
Where's the "It doesn't bother me" option?
This shouldn't even be an issue, it doesn't matter if two people in a relationship are different races, why should it?
This shouldn't even be an issue, it doesn't matter if two people in a relationship are different races, why should it?
There would be trouble with genetic diseases like sickle cell. Plus there might be problems with birth defects.Mortai Gravesend said:
Though, theses might be moot points, because by the time this happens we will probably be able to mess with our genetic code like it's plastic surgery.
Uhmm... interesting definition of instinct you have there. Complex human thought and reasoning over a long period of time AGAINST your initial assessment with no extra stimuli is most certainly not instinct, it is a conscious choice that would not have been made if the person had stuck to instinct. Human beings are one of, if not the only species on this planet capable of fighting our basic instincts, and so we do. We have enough intelligence to move forward faster than our physical evolution.deadish said:
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I am in an interracial relationship, she is wonderful girl and we have been going out for a year and a half. If you cannot get my opinion on it out of that then you may just need help ^.^
And also: 40% of people are against it? ANYWHERE? That is... shocking
I don't use instinct in such a narrow sense. When I say instinct, I mean more like "prime directive" that guides your life.brandon237 said:Uhmm... interesting definition of instinct you have there. Complex human thought and reasoning over a long period of time AGAINST your initial assessment with no extra stimuli is most certainly not instinct, it is a conscious choice that would not have been made if the person had stuck to instinct. Human beings are one of, if not the only species on this planet capable of fighting our basic instincts, and so we do. We have enough intelligence to move forward faster than our physical evolution.deadish said:
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I am in an interracial relationship, she is wonderful girl and we have been going out for a year and a half. If you cannot get my opinion on it out of that then you may just need help ^.^
And also: 40% of people are against it? ANYWHERE? That is... shocking
I believe thought and reasoning serves our instincts, in the execution of actions that fulfill the "needs" dictated by our instincts.
If you think about it, there is really no reason "to live". Our existence is really just an accident. We exist today because our ancestors had the instinct that tells them to mate and had the luck to survive long enough to do so - those that (due to mutation) did not have the mating instinct never reproduced, therefore preventing the prorogation of the "no mating instinct" genes.
In the end, everything you do really go comes down to what your DNA demands that you try do.
I suppose, but only on the most annoyingly basic level. Certain things like prejudices (or lack there of) and beliefs can be made, kept and changed totally against any biological drive, that is what makes people unique. We crossed the line of true intelligence first, and since then we have not allowed anything even close to it. Physiologically we are animals, mentally we are so far ahead of any other animal and our cultural so different (in some places anyway) from what it is in instinct-only beings that we no longer follow the same type of drives. Some like food, sleep, sex and entertainment yes, but many decisions and ways of modern life make little sense from a purely "prime directive" driven way of life.deadish said:I don't use instinct in such a narrow sense. When I say instinct, I mean more like "prime directive" that guides your life.brandon237 said:Uhmm... interesting definition of instinct you have there. Complex human thought and reasoning over a long period of time AGAINST your initial assessment with no extra stimuli is most certainly not instinct, it is a conscious choice that would not have been made if the person had stuck to instinct. Human beings are one of, if not the only species on this planet capable of fighting our basic instincts, and so we do. We have enough intelligence to move forward faster than our physical evolution.deadish said:
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I am in an interracial relationship, she is wonderful girl and we have been going out for a year and a half. If you cannot get my opinion on it out of that then you may just need help ^.^
And also: 40% of people are against it? ANYWHERE? That is... shocking
I believe thought and reasoning serves our instincts, in the execution of actions that fulfill the "needs" dictated by our instincts.
If you think about it, there is really no reason "to live". Our existence is really just an accident. We exist today because our ancestors had the instinct that tells them to mate and had the luck to survive long enough to do so - those that (due to mutation) did not have the mating instinct never reproduced, therefore preventing the prorogation of the "no mating instinct" genes.
In the end, everything you do really go comes down to what your DNA demands that you try do.
I hope that made at least some sense
I'm in one . I'm black and my girlfriend is white . My entire family speaks english and her family speaks french .
So many family problems would be avoided if we had stuck to our own race . But we love each other , so nothing else reall matters . I personally can see why it bothers other people . Imagine this scenario:
There are two people . Bill and Mark . There are two fruits on a table . One is an apple the other an orange . Bill doesn't like oranges , Mark likes both oranges and apples. Mark takes the apple . Bill is left with the orange, but he doesn't like them, so he decides to throw it away.Bill hates mark for taking away the opportunity to have an apple .
In that scenario , mark did nothing "wrong" , but in choosing the apple , he took away bills opportunity to have that apple . So if say an asian guy , who only likes asian women , sees an black man married to an asian woman, he would ultimately see that as an opportunity lost .
Anyways thats how i see it .
So many family problems would be avoided if we had stuck to our own race . But we love each other , so nothing else reall matters . I personally can see why it bothers other people . Imagine this scenario:
There are two people . Bill and Mark . There are two fruits on a table . One is an apple the other an orange . Bill doesn't like oranges , Mark likes both oranges and apples. Mark takes the apple . Bill is left with the orange, but he doesn't like them, so he decides to throw it away.Bill hates mark for taking away the opportunity to have an apple .
In that scenario , mark did nothing "wrong" , but in choosing the apple , he took away bills opportunity to have that apple . So if say an asian guy , who only likes asian women , sees an black man married to an asian woman, he would ultimately see that as an opportunity lost .
Anyways thats how i see it .
I would not use the words "against any biological drive". Those don't change baring physical change in your brain structure. We definitely do not have the technology to change it "at will".brandon237 said:
Beliefs can most of the time be changed by rational argument - refuting the belief. Of course, this isn't fool-proof as humans aren't completely rational beings.
I have yet to be presented a convincing argument that would sway my opinion and how I feel about this touchy subject - rational or otherwise.
Define "intelligence".
I disagree. At the lowest level we are exactly the same. It's just that with our "better" brains, we are more sophisticated at how we go about fulfilling these "drives".Physiologically we are animals, mentally we are so far ahead of any other animal and our cultural so different (in some places anyway) from what it is in instinct-only beings that we no longer follow the same type of drives. Some like food, sleep, sex and entertainment yes, but many decisions and ways of modern life make little sense from a purely "prime directive" driven way of life.
I hope that made at least some sense
Most of the things you do can be traced to fulfilling one of these : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs - a list of drives common to a lot of humans.
My point is "free will" is an illusion. We are made up atoms (and nothing more), we are technically just carbon-based, self-replicating, deterministic machines. Cause and effect.
I don't care.
Like, at all.
It's like asking how you feel about tall people marrying short people. Or people with large noses marrying people with small noses. It doesn't matter!
People who are against interracial marriages are actually just against certain races.
Like, at all.
It's like asking how you feel about tall people marrying short people. Or people with large noses marrying people with small noses. It doesn't matter!
People who are against interracial marriages are actually just against certain races.
Not necessarily at will, but the saying "fake it till you make it" is certainly accurate to some degree in human behaviour, a conscious choice that you actively enforce to change how you think about something, will eventually change how you think about it. Just like experience will change your subconscious outlook on the world or parts of it, enforcing a decision and going to the effort of changing your own thoughts on something work. Actual and perceived experience are interestingly close in how they affect you.deadish said:
There are a few definitions, but by true intelligence I mean sapience, hell, there is a thread about it on the EscapistDefine "intelligence".
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.157686-Sentient-vs-Sapient
At how we go about fulfilling SOME of them, but people still make choices that they know satisfy no (or at the very least few or less important ones than if another choice was taken) needs.
And most is not all, most of what we do will invariably come from what we need and our basic wants, because we are far from being low-maintenance beings, it is the ones that don't that make a difference that I am pointing out.
It is only at the most basic molecular level pre-determined, from anywhere larger than there the "illusion" of free will is so flexible, so easily altered and unpredictable that in the psychological sense of the word free will, the most basic level is entirely useless to look at. To say whether or not we have free will based on the fact that the universe is at the simplest level perfectly mathematical has no bearing on history, psychology or anything outside of a theoretical discussion such as this one. Machines we may be, but we are machines so unfathomably complex and flawed that our actions are still impossible to predict or determine using the molecular level.
Also, try to make a fair justice system that incorporates that idea, it is simply not practical.
I guess "technically" I'm against it. By that I mean for the most part I'm not, but when I encounter these [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlYCy1HFLos&feature=fvwrel] kind of relationships, I'm apposed to. The only other exception is if one of the people are part of an ethnic group who's numbers are servilely low, but I think most people don't have to worry about that.Zack Alklazaris said:
I am alive because of an interracial marriage (my parents, duh) so yeah, obviously going to support it.
Welp. I am in an interracial marriage. AND IT IS AWESOME.
My wife is a hardcore activist, and I came from a very "white" background, so we have had some problems yea. But it wasn't anything that couldn't be handled. So sometimes, actually, probably most of the time considering how blindly racist the world still is, it can be difficult.
Still, at least now I know not to move into lower georgia, alabama, upper florida, or tallahassee.
My wife is a hardcore activist, and I came from a very "white" background, so we have had some problems yea. But it wasn't anything that couldn't be handled. So sometimes, actually, probably most of the time considering how blindly racist the world still is, it can be difficult.
Still, at least now I know not to move into lower georgia, alabama, upper florida, or tallahassee.