Poll: How Do You Justify Music Piracy?

[Tipsy Giant]

Thanks the other guitarist will love that comparison, he may even dribble a little bit We recorded at my college on a 5 mics. A couple of SM 58s, 57s and one Rode Condenser all into a Mac running Cubase (we DI'ed the lead guitar and bass) and then I mixed it on the latest version of Cubase on my Home PC hope that helps!

Cool, i'm just a bit geeky about it, we use pretty much the same set up but with an MBOX for the inputs and logic for the mixing etc

 

[Tipsy Giant]

SNIP.

It is fine to pirate music, because artists make no money from record sales and record companies are just terrible loan operators who screw over artists and make billions off their hard work.

So i'd rather noone makes cash than they do.

If you are really interested in the subject I wrote my dissertation on this, I can easily PM you it.

If you don't mind me asking, could you PM it to me?
I am interested in the topic, I just can't stand how it's discussed.
Mainly because everybody just steps around the one argument that could be finite, the one you mentioned in that post.

I'd also like to read this.

I buy merch, gig tickets, and I buy CDs from unsigned acts. Also, piracy isn't theft. It's piracy. Except it's not really piracy. It's illegal copying of data. There are very few pirates involved.

Check yo messages for the dissertation

 

[Kahunaburger]

Honestly, piracy is not the main threat the music industry faces right now. That would go to stuff like iTunes - people buying songs a la carte is a lot less profitable than people buying CDs.

 

[Francis Metherell]

I haven't "pirated" albums for a good decade now, because I a) barely have the cash to actually eat every month, and b) tend to stick all songs that I like on Youtube on a playlist.

In addition, the vast majority of music I hear nowadays is talentless, factory-created, derivative crap, so if I was to do any YARRing, then I'd only get by-the-numbers crap.

All the music I listen to is already on CD and I Youtube it. And when a band I like releases something new, like if NIN released an album, I'd wait until I had a mini-windfall then go buy that sucka.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Honestly, piracy is not the main threat the music industry faces right now. That would go to stuff like iTunes - people buying songs a la carte is a lot less profitable than people buying CDs.

How so? Not trying to dispute it honestly asking. I'd have thought digital would have lower production costs.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it does, too. The issue is that for a long time the business model was that if I want to a few songs by one musician, I drop $10-20 for a CD, most of which is full of songs I wouldn't buy by themselves. Now it just costs a few dollars to get the same amount of content.

 

[Mute52]

I don't, i know that when/if i pirate music, or even any media form. The artist that worked so hard to create it didn't get anything. I feel really bad, so if it's an artist i really like, i get it from iTunes to support them.

I remember earlier this year my art teacher was showing off to our class how he "Jailbroke" his iPhone and he could get any App he wanted for free. I remember i told him in front of everyone "Imagine if the art you work so hard to create is taken from you by tons of people and you receive nothing for your work." That shut him up.

 

[SinisterGehe]

I would be OK if the artist would really benefit from the lawsuits, but when someone pirates they aren't stealing from the artist they are stealing from the record label.

Well, if I need to come up with a justification for piracy - I would go with (Even tho I don't really completely support this idea):
"Art and culture are creations that are made by every human on earth and every being on earth generates and supports culture. Fot one to not share freely that what is not completely created by him, music for example. Our understanding of music and its components (Notes, sounds, rythms and themes) have been defined by every being on earth. Why should something that everyone has helped to build only belong to a single being."

NOTE: I MYSELF DO NOT SUPPORT THIS IDEA, BUT IF I HAD TO COME UP WITH A JUSTIFICATION. I WOULD USE THIS!!!

Recaprha:
Flute arripeqiio

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

I dunno i don't like it sometimes when i buy a cd for the first time and then end up only liking one song out of the whole album and then feel cheated out on the money and no i don't like using Itunes or any other online music site i'm oldschool going into the store to check the tunes kind of guy.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

I dunno i don't like it sometimes when i buy a cd for the first time and then end up only liking one song out of the whole album and then feel cheated out on the money and no i don't like using Itunes or any other online music site i'm oldschool going into the store to check the tunes kind of guy.

 

[TheIronRuler]

I don't justify it.
It can't be justified because the act itself of imposing such strict laws regarding intellectual property (in certain countries. *cough* USA *cough*) can't be justified.

 

[00slash00]

So I read that article on anonymous and Gene Simmons, and apparently they (Anonymous isn't really a group, just a bunch of unrelated guys who think its cool to go under the same name) are mad at Gene Simmons for wanting to sue everyone who pirates music, but honestly, I think this would be a good idea. Maybe not everyone, but people who distribute pirated music, sue a bunch of them, and then that will send a good message.

I understand that many musicians are rich and don't 'need' all the money they get but what about newer artists who are just starting out? How about the many people involved in the music making process, there are many people who need to be paid and a lot of people in the music industry have lost their jobs because of piracy.

Also, from the point of view of some guy on a computer, I'm sure its easy to say "I wouldn't care" but if you were really a musician, you would care that people are taking your music which many artists consider a part of them that they spent a LOT of time on, and then people just steal it.

So I wanted to know, with my reasoning in mind, how is piracy of music (We are just talking music) justified and made okay? Do you feel 'entitled' to somebody else's work?

NOTE: I'm not sure how to delete a poll so I just changed it to have no real options because the only thing a poll did was have people answer with no reasoning whatsoever.

i know this has been said a thousand times, but artists get the bulk of their money from performing, not from cds.

i dont download music, i buy used cds, which is about as harmful to artists as illegal downloads. strange that gene simmons isnt getting up in arms about that, but thats beside the point. personally, i feel that downloading helps the industry to an extent. when i downloaded songs it was always to become familiar with the bands style of music. cds are expensive and im not gonna pay almost $20 only to find out i dont even like any of the tracks. and if its a band someone really likes, most people will pay for the cd. now, rather than download a few tracks, i just search for tracks on youtube

im sure there are people with mp3 plays full of nothing but pirated music though, so maybe i was just one of the less evil pirates

 

[subtlefuge]

I don't buy or pirate music anymore. You can stream it for free and I use the radio for all the other times.

However, I would say that the fact that the record companies both punish the people who buy their music (DRM, Spyware), and attempt to seek damages from completely random people (some of them dead) would give some people a legitimate reason.

 

[USSR]

I think I'll go with ".."

 

[Saxm13]

I simply state, "MTV Cribs".

Your rebuttal?

 

[Zer_]

I go to whichever source offers me the best quality.

www.fixtstore.com has some good stuff.
The rest I acquire either legitimately or illegally depending on the rarity.

 

[Your Fearless Captain]

I've pirated an ass load of games, software, music and movies, at least 5 Terabytes. I haven't seeded anything ever or given anything back to the pirating 'community'. Thinking back on it, I feel like an asshole. It really can't justify it at all. I probably won't stop anytime soon though. Unless the FBI knocks on my door or something.

 

[classygangster]

i dont rlly gety some people r saying they pirate music to 'try it out', cuz most music is avaialable on youtube or the bands like website or something, or at least a couple songs so... can someone explain it?

 

[Canid117]

I justify it by not pirating but Gene Simmons was saying to ruin the financial future of everyone who had the audacity to download a 99 cent song for free. I would just like to point out that he is worth $300 million.

 

[Skratt]

There is no way to justify it. Do I do it? Not really anymore. I've purged a big chunk of my collection, and the rest is pretty much ignored. iTunes and Amazon have allowed me to stop paying for shitty albums and just get the songs I want, so there really is nothing else to ***** about.

The prices are sneaking up though, and that is starting to piss me off a bit. Time will tell, but honestly, if you don't have the expenses of CDs and distribution, there is no justification for higher prices. Supply is infinite and costs are fixed and the price of bandwidth and storage get cheaper every year. They only raise the price because they are falling back to the old age and game as before - when CDs started going up from about $8 to top off at like $20+ which is what pissed everybody off in the first place.

 

[Skratt]

I justify it by not pirating but Gene Simmons was saying to ruin the financial future of everyone who had the audacity to download a 99 cent song for free. I would just like to point out that he is worth $300 million.

That guy is a fucking asshole. The punishment should fit the crime. It's like the FBI warning on movies. I don't pirate them, but I sure as shit flip off the bullshit $250,000 fine warning for copying a movie every time it comes on the screen. You can steal a movie and go to jail for 5 years, but you can burn down somebody's fucking house and get 6 month's community service. You tell me which of those two crimes should carry a $250,000 fine, hmm?